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post #40351 of 45000

I'm seeing a lot of chatter about senators calling on Trump to resign or be investigated for his sexual misconduct. Finally.

 

I don't see fire, but if the list grows, shit is going to go full tilt.

post #40352 of 45000
That Trump cartoon was legit one of the grossest, most upsetting things I've seen in a while. It was positively Cronenbergian..
post #40353 of 45000
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Originally Posted by Bailey View Post

The Right would be digging motherfucking bunkers and marching in the streets.


But all that’s already happening. When they leave their bunkers to march, they even bring their own tiki torches!
post #40354 of 45000
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Originally Posted by neil spurn View Post


But all that’s already happening. When they leave their bunkers to march, they even bring their own tiki torches!

 

Point taken, but it is beyond frustrating that the Right has been able to stake claim to patriotism to such an extent that someone like Moore can straight up call America evil and make overtures to a foreign leader and not have his loyalty questioned.  That interview should be an ad playing constantly in Alabama, but the truth is it probably wouldn't matter one bit to his base.

post #40355 of 45000
Moore doesn't like abortion and will vote for any Supreme Court nominee. That's what matters. Irrefutable video footage of him creeping in a mall could emerge and the fine people of Alabama would still send him to the Senate.
post #40356 of 45000
Ok, I've got one question. Just one.

https://www.politico.com/story/2017/12/11/trump-accusers-sexual-harassment-289309

Why won't someone - ANYONE - respond to Sanders saying "the election answered these concerns" by saying:

"So Ms. Sanders - are you saying that the results of the electoral college have something to say about the TRUTH of these accusations? Are you saying that if President Trump had LOST the election that he would be automatically guilty of sexual assault? A follow-up to the bullshit you're about to sputter: If not, then why does him winning mean he's innocent?"

I swear the press has forgotten how to actually be press. It's like a muscle that hasn't been exercised properly in 40 years.
post #40357 of 45000
I guess the thinking is, "The people who voted for him don't care, so it's a non-issue."
post #40358 of 45000
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Originally Posted by Analog Olmos View Post

Ok, I've got one question. Just one.

https://www.politico.com/story/2017/12/11/trump-accusers-sexual-harassment-289309

Why won't someone - ANYONE - respond to Sanders saying "the election answered these concerns" by saying:

"So Ms. Sanders - are you saying that the results of the electoral college have something to say about the TRUTH of these accusations? Are you saying that if President Trump had LOST the election that he would be automatically guilty of sexual assault? A follow-up to the bullshit you're about to sputter: If not, then why does him winning mean he's innocent?"

I swear the press has forgotten how to actually be press. It's like a muscle that hasn't been exercised properly in 40 years.

 

If they misbehave, they'll get the hose again.  Remember all the business about no cameras being allowed at press conferences and how the White House fucked around with the seating and such when Trump was just starting out fucking everything up?  This is why the Nazi-loving fucks did it; to keep the press in line.

post #40359 of 45000

Yep, if there's anything more valuable to the press than some semblance of truth, it's "access."

 

Sure, they could nail Sanders to the wall, rhetorically, and each time they do that, that person or outlet gets removed from the press pool.  One-by-one they're pushed out until the only people left reporting firsthand about the President are Breitbart, InfoWars, and FOX, and it suddenly becomes far, far easier for them to paint anyone else as "fake news" since "they weren't there, anyway."

 

That, and the reporter(s) that do that would probably lose their jobs, or at least their specific position as a White House correspondent.

 

So...is it worth potentially sabotaging your career to have a "gotcha" against a woman that's just going to lie her way out of it with impunity?  Sure, she might sputter in the moment, but aside from schadenfrude, what does it accomplish?  I think the lines are pretty solidly drawn in terms of which people think this administration is a shit sandwich and which people are eating it with a smile and telling the chef how delicious it is.

 

There's also a segment of journalists that believe the point of the press isn't to try to nab the "gotcha" but simply to report.  A major "gotcha" makes the reporter into the story, and that's NOT supposed to be how it works in the minds of many journalists (and perhaps more importantly, many of their editors/chiefs).

post #40360 of 45000
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Originally Posted by Analog Olmos View Post

Ok, I've got one question. Just one.

https://www.politico.com/story/2017/12/11/trump-accusers-sexual-harassment-289309

Why won't someone - ANYONE - respond to Sanders saying "the election answered these concerns" by saying:

"So Ms. Sanders - are you saying that the results of the electoral college have something to say about the TRUTH of these accusations? Are you saying that if President Trump had LOST the election that he would be automatically guilty of sexual assault? A follow-up to the bullshit you're about to sputter: If not, then why does him winning mean he's innocent?"

I swear the press has forgotten how to actually be press. It's like a muscle that hasn't been exercised properly in 40 years.

I’d fund frankesteining, cloning or time displacing Edward R Murrow just so he could put his foot up the collective press ass and make them find their balls and duty to the truth again.
post #40361 of 45000
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Originally Posted by Analog Olmos View Post

Ok, I've got one question. Just one.

https://www.politico.com/story/2017/12/11/trump-accusers-sexual-harassment-289309

Why won't someone - ANYONE - respond to Sanders saying "the election answered these concerns" by saying:

"So Ms. Sanders - are you saying that the results of the electoral college have something to say about the TRUTH of these accusations? Are you saying that if President Trump had LOST the election that he would be automatically guilty of sexual assault? A follow-up to the bullshit you're about to sputter: If not, then why does him winning mean he's innocent?"

I swear the press has forgotten how to actually be press. It's like a muscle that hasn't been exercised properly in 40 years.

 

Top reporters aren't in that room. It's not a good job, so low-level noobs are sent to listen to Honey Booboo on her podium of lies. Low-level noobs can't afford to get kicked out of the room for asking uppity questions like, "Could you clarify, since anyone with google can find out in 2 seconds that you're lying?"

 

What the press -should- do is just stop covering their bullshit, unless it's an actual announcement, and/or it's accompanied by a thorough fact-checking of every statement. Don't give outright lies and deplorable propaganda free exposure.

post #40362 of 45000

The three men in Kansas who plotted to blow up a refugee apartment complex and a mosque are seeking out Trump voters for the jury:

 

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/filing-men-accused-bomb-plot-trump-voters-jury-51682435

 

Quote:
Three men accused of plotting to bomb a mosque and apartment complex housing Somali refugees asked a federal judge Friday to include prospective jurors from rural western Kansas because they are twice as likely to have voted for President Donald Trump.
A defense motion argues that plans to only summon citizens in the more urban counties closest to the federal courthouse in Wichita is a discriminatory practice that excludes rural and conservative jurors. The trial begins March 19.
post #40363 of 45000
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Originally Posted by Jmacq1 View Post

Yep, if there's anything more valuable to the press than some semblance of truth, it's "access."

Sure, they could nail Sanders to the wall, rhetorically, and each time they do that, that person or outlet gets removed from the press pool.  One-by-one they're pushed out until the only people left reporting firsthand about the President are Breitbart, InfoWars, and FOX, and it suddenly becomes far, far easier for them to paint anyone else as "fake news" since "they weren't there, anyway."

That, and the reporter(s) that do that would probably lose their jobs, or at least their specific position as a White House correspondent.

So...is it worth potentially sabotaging your career to have a "gotcha" against a woman that's just going to lie her way out of it with impunity?  Sure, she might sputter in the moment, but aside from schadenfrude, what does it accomplish?  I think the lines are pretty solidly drawn in terms of which people think this administration is a shit sandwich and which people are eating it with a smile and telling the chef how delicious it is.

There's also a segment of journalists that believe the point of the press isn't to try to nab the "gotcha" but simply to report.  A major "gotcha" makes the reporter into the story, and that's NOT supposed to be how it works in the minds of many journalists (and perhaps more importantly, many of their editors/chiefs).

If the pool as a unit did their jobs and asked follow-ups like I laid out, it would accomplish A LOT.

If they got ejected from the pool one by one, it would accomplish A LOT.

All they currently accomplish is providing Sanders and the President by proxy with a semblance of respectability. Of normalcy.

If they asked these OBVIOUS follow-up questions to the things coming out of the press secretary's mouth and got punished for it, we'd eventually be left with an empty press pool, except for FOX and Breitbart. And that accomplishes something.

It would be unprecedented. It would show that this ISNT NORMAL. And it would mean they were doing their jobs.

Sitting there, getting lied to, and then going and writing about it without challenging it is worse than not being there at all.
post #40364 of 45000
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Originally Posted by Farsight View Post

 

What the press -should- do is just stop covering their bullshit, unless it's an actual announcement, and/or it's accompanied by a thorough fact-checking of every statement. Don't give outright lies and deplorable propaganda free exposure.

 

This is completely reasonable advice.  This nation's media has a tremendous credibility problem, and the best path for them to restore public confidence and trust is to heavily editorialize and cherry pick their reporting.  

post #40365 of 45000

The Senate bill's marginal tax rates could top 100% for some:

 

https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-taxman-cometh-senate-bills-marginal-rates-could-top-100-for-some-1512942118

 

I guess they should've spent more than five seconds reforming taxes.

post #40366 of 45000
Another example just from today:

After Sanders lectured them on "knowingly printing [reporting] falsehoods," not one press pool reporter thought to say "Um, ma'am? Here's a list of the lies you've told us in the last month. Here's a list of the provably false things the President has said this year. And here's the proof that those things are LIES, because you and he knew what the actual truth was at the time you told us these things. So, are you Fake News, Ms. Sanders?"

Get kicked out. It would have been a hell of a lot better use of everyone's time than defending actual media fuckups with "but we retracted those!" which is what today boiled down to.

These wasted opportunities for the press to actually push back in a meaningful way do more to hurt our democracy than the fascists taking it for a ride.
post #40367 of 45000

RNC National Committeewoman Joyce Simmons is stepping down from the GOP's governing body over the decision to start funding Roy Moore again:

 

https://twitter.com/ZekeJMiller/status/940230425385070592

 

post #40368 of 45000

In a move that surprises no one, share buybacks are spiking:

 

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/share-buybacks-spike-dropping-a-strong-hint-at-what-ceos-plan-to-do-with-tax-savings-2017-12-08?mod=mw_share_twitter

 

But... but... but... wages!!!???

post #40369 of 45000
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Originally Posted by Iron Maiden View Post
 

The Senate bill's marginal tax rates could top 100% for some:

 

https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-taxman-cometh-senate-bills-marginal-rates-could-top-100-for-some-1512942118

 

I guess they should've spent more than five seconds reforming taxes.

 

This was never about reforming taxes.  It was a big give-away to their biggest donors.  Kleptocracy in action.

 

Number one step to real tax reform is doing away with the Social Security "cap" on earnings (one of the reasons why it is such a heavily regressive tax).  Number two is to begin taxing foreign income for companies doing business in the U.S. as though such companies were domestic companies (Japan has a brilliant set of rules in place that could simply be wholesale emulated/copied).   This prevents the shell game of foreign companies being used to shield assets from U.S. taxation.  

 

While there are a ton of other tax code issues that can, and should, be addressed, those two changes, alone, would solve a huge chunk of the largest structural taxation problems in the U.S.  

post #40370 of 45000
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Originally Posted by Overlord View Post
 

 

This was never about reforming taxes.  It was a big give-away to their biggest donors.  Kleptocracy in action.

 

Agreed.  Hasty thinking on my part.

post #40371 of 45000
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Originally Posted by Iron Maiden View Post
 

In a move that surprises no one, share buybacks are spiking:

 

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/share-buybacks-spike-dropping-a-strong-hint-at-what-ceos-plan-to-do-with-tax-savings-2017-12-08?mod=mw_share_twitter

 

But... but... but... wages!!!???

 

Demand drives business growth.  Demand is a complicated issue, but it is, to a large degree, a function of a sizable chunk of people having discretionary income.  

 

Increased profits has never, in the history of the universe, been shown to drive business growth.   

 

At this point, I cannot believe anyone who espouses any type of supply-side economic theory.  It has been so thoroughly debunked and proven wrong that I can only assume that the person is acting disingenuously or is a complete idiot.  

post #40372 of 45000
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Originally Posted by Overlord View Post
 

At this point, I cannot believe anyone who espouses any type of supply-side economic theory.  It has been so thoroughly debunked and proven wrong that I can only assume that the person is acting disingenuously or is a complete idiot.  

 

....google 'Stephen Moore' for an example of the above.

post #40373 of 45000

Roy Moore's wife introducing him at a rally in Midland City, Alabama, just moments ago:

 

"One of our attorneys is a Jew."

post #40374 of 45000

I honestly wonder if she realizes how insanely disingenuous she sounds....

 

post #40375 of 45000

Considering who her father is I'm going to lean towards probably not.

post #40376 of 45000

After the real bad shit goes down, both she and Conway are going to spin tales about how they HATED carrying water for Trump. They might even join in on the mockery. The media will let them get away with it, but we never should.

post #40377 of 45000

Sweet Jesus. If we took Sarah Huckabee Sander's own words and applied them back at her own job....

post #40378 of 45000

Charles Barkley at a Jones rally:

 

Quote:
 “At some point we got to stop looking like idiots to the nation,” Barkley added. “I love Alabama, but at some point we got to draw a line in the sand and show we’re not a bunch of damn idiots.”

 

Yeah, that's pretty much where we're at. And don't worry, Charles: the rest of us get to feel that way next year. And in 2020.

post #40379 of 45000

Reading about Roy Moore's wife's comments this evening and then seeing photos from the event.... I couldn't help but notice that she seems a bit younger than him.  This made me do a bit of google research...which led me to this article.

 

How much evidence do we need that this guy is a creepy fucking letch?

 

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Roy Moore says he first noticed his wife when she was 15 or 16 years old

 

Washington (CNN)Alabama Republican Senate candidate Roy Moore, who has been accused of pursuing romantic relationships with teenagers while in his 30s, said he first noticed his future wife eight years before he formally met her -- when she would have been as young as 15 years old.

Moore was 38 when he married Kayla Kisor, who was 24.
In a videotaped interview published July 30, he recalled when he saw then-Kisor at a dance recital.
"When I was deputy district attorney, many years before we got married, I saw her at a dance recital and I was standing, oh, at the back of the auditorium and I saw her up front," he recalled at the time. "I remember her name, it was Kayla Kisor. KK. But I remember that and I didn't meet her there ... it was, oh gosh, eight years later or something, I met her. And when she told me her name, I remembered."
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post #40380 of 45000
Surprising the initials KK were memorable to him...
post #40381 of 45000
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Originally Posted by Bailey View Post

Surprising the initials KK were memorable to him...

 

I actually did a bit of google research and was hoping that I would find out that she had a middle name that started with 'K'....unfortunately, I don't think Kayla Kisor has a middle name.

post #40382 of 45000

"Kayla Kisor, kindergartener.  I remembered that..."

post #40383 of 45000
"I had Kayla tagged and released for later recapture."
post #40384 of 45000

Jailed Russian hacker admits to hacking Democrats under command of the FSB.

 

And for your daily dose of NOT The Onion: Speaker at Moore event says he accidentally went with Moore to a brothel with child prostitutes.  You see, he may have gone to a Child Brothel in 'Nam...BUT HE DID NOT PARTAKE!

 

...that time.

post #40385 of 45000

What's the child prostitute version of "I didn't inhale"?

 

You know what?  Just forget I said anything.

post #40386 of 45000
I've asked myself "how is this not game over?" so many times now that it'd be pointless to even pretend to be surprised or shocked at any of this anymore.

If a person CAUGHT the dude actually fucking their kid....that's the only thing that would lose him a vote?

This applies to Trump too really..
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post #40388 of 45000
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Originally Posted by Farsight View Post
 

Charles Barkley at a Jones rally:

 

 

Yeah, that's pretty much where we're at. And don't worry, Charles: the rest of us get to feel that way next year. And in 2020.

He should had gone with Dumbasses

 

post #40389 of 45000
Saw this on Twitter this morning:

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post #40390 of 45000

For the 8,326th time: Irony is dead

 

post #40391 of 45000
Fuck Trump
post #40392 of 45000
So he just straight-up called Senator Gillibrand a prostitute, right? The President of the United States called a Senator a prostitute. That is a thing that happened.

Honestly, the biggest surprise is that he didn’t do that months ago.
post #40393 of 45000
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Originally Posted by Dent6084 View Post

So he just straight-up called Senator Gillibrand a prostitute, right? The President of the United States called a Senator a prostitute. That is a thing that happened.

Honestly, the biggest surprise is that he didn’t do that months ago.

 

That's how I read it, especially following shortly after a denial of sexual assault.

 

And talking about himself in the third person, straight from the Sack O' Shit handbook.

 

Except that I'd rather have a literal sack o' shit as President. At least then the stink would be contained.

post #40394 of 45000

Yeah, that was definitely a (thinly veiled) prostitution reference.  Stay classy, Trump.

post #40395 of 45000
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Originally Posted by Judas Booth View Post
 

Yeah, that was definitely a (thinly veiled) prostitution reference.  Stay classy, Trump.


Almost clever in that Trumpian way:  If someone publicly brings it up, he or Sanders will of course do the usual "God, of COURSE that wasn't what I/The President meant!  How can you all be so fucking stupid for even thinking that?!?" that his base loves so much.

post #40396 of 45000
In response to his prostitution joke (which I compared to O.J. making jokes about spousal homicide):



I’m not always a dick, but when I am...
post #40397 of 45000

Never in my lifetime did I think a sitting US president would call a sitting US senator a whore.

 

I hope she runs in 2020 and kicks his fucking ass. 

post #40398 of 45000

Two or three a day is Rookie numbers? 

 

Kids these days.

post #40399 of 45000
I hope this is him playing the distraction game over the next Mueller paranoia.
post #40400 of 45000
His precious Hope Hicks has betrayed him to Mueller. And that festering lump of misogyny he has for a heart can't take it. He's going to prison eventually and freaking out about it.
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