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Originally Posted by Amos Orange View Post
 

Trump could eat a human child on television and this Republican congress would still drag their feet on impeaching him.

 

He may have the same playbook as Nixon, but he's almost certainly playing by different rules.

 

Right now, the Republican congress is doing a strategic retreat.  They got their tax plan and they did what they could to set themselves up for success with the donor class and with the base.  Now, it's all about surviving 2018 and the upcoming mid-term elections. They know Trump is going (and probably Pence) so it's all about the long game and damage control.

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Originally Posted by Amos Orange View Post
 

Trump could eat a human child on television and this Republican congress would still drag their feet on impeaching him.

 

He may have the same playbook as Nixon, but he's almost certainly playing by different rules.

 

Dirty trickster, Roger Stone worked for Nixon and he knows the playbook intimately and knows where/how the fuckups happened with that admin. 

 

He's now been attempting to use that same playbook for the DJT admin. and is using the experiences from his Nixon years to avoid all those previous screw ups. 

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Meanwhile, in Alabama, Senator-elect Doug Jones just disintegrated the enormous benefit of the doubt he had been given, via comments today on the topic of the sexual assault allegations against Donald Trump.

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Earlier this month, Jones called on Sen. Al Franken (D-Minn.) to resign over mounting groping allegations against him. On Dec. 7, Franken announced he would be stepping aside in the near future.

Asked by CNN’s Jake Tapper why Trump shouldn’t be held to the same standard, Jones suggested it was an issue best decided by voters.

“Well, again, I go back to the fact that those allegations were made and he was elected president of the United States,” Jones said. “At this point, we need to move on and try to work with some real issues that are facing the country and not worry about getting at odds with the president any more than we have to.”
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Yeah I don't know what the hell that was about.

 

A craven attempt to broaden the appeal of Democrats in red states?

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Originally Posted by Amos Orange View Post

Yeah I don't know what the hell that was about.

A craven attempt to broaden the appeal of Democrats in red states?

Bingo. This is the "Thanks for electing me Alabama, don't worry I'm not one of those liberal Democrats! I'm one of you!"
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Originally Posted by Reasor View Post

Meanwhile, in Alabama, Senator-elect Doug Jones just disintegrated the enormous benefit of the doubt he had been given, via comments today on the topic of the sexual assault allegations against Donald Trump.


Yes, because the first thing a newly elected Senator in Alabama should do is insure he has no chance of re-election by calling for the resignation of a President that's still popular in Alabama before his butt is even making the seat warm. 

 

I'm with the "Trump should resign" in principle, sure, but yes, the voters knew about this shit before the last election, and they didn't care.  Either didn't care about it enough to not vote for Trump, or didn't care about it enough to vote at all.  And those same people still aren't going to care now that Democrats are being a little noisier about it.  I don't disagree when some of the pundits are positing that this is a strategy that may well backfire on them (short of a pee tape showing up, and maybe even then).

 

Or put another way:  If all Moore's victims had been adult women, he'd probably be getting seated in the Senate next week just in time for his first vote being for the big Tax Reform Bill.

 

I keep seeing folks saying "50 state strategy" for the Democrats in 2018 and 2020 but wanting to ignore that there really are states where you'll have to flip Trump voters to win, or at the very least convince them not to show up.  Attacking "their guy" doesn't do either.

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Originally Posted by Amos Orange View Post
 

Yeah I don't know what the hell that was about.

 

A craven attempt to broaden the appeal of Democrats in red states?

 

I just read that comment from Jones...

 

While it is troubling and I don't really like it, it might be the only way to broaden Dem appeal which wouldn't necessarily be a bad thing.

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Normalizing sexual assault is indeed "necessarily a bad thing".

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Originally Posted by Amos Orange View Post
 

Normalizing sexual assault is indeed "necessarily a bad thing".


Doug Jones didn't normalize sexual assault.  The American Electorate did.

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Both can be true.

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Then there's this from Virginia...

 

A Democratic winner in Virginia says it’s time for bipartisanship

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Similarly, Northam said he has no plans to try to force Republicans to accept a broad expansion of Medicaid. Instead, he has begun talks with lawmakers in both parties about overhauling the state’s Medicaid system to expand access to health care while better defining eligibility to control costs.

 

He fucking ran on expanding Medicaid....

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Between Jones being an idiot and Ralph Northam saying he's NOT going to expand Medicare/aid, which, you know, he fucking ran on - banner day for centrist dems. 

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Originally Posted by Jmacq1 View Post
 


Doug Jones didn't normalize sexual assault.  The American Electorate did.

+1

 

In the grand scheme, it wasn't just the electorate, it was all of America and has been since it's inception.

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Originally Posted by Amos Orange View Post
 

Both can be true.

 

Hey, I would love nothing more that to have DJones come out and call DJT a piece of shit, asshole, racist, misogynist, etc. and demand that he resign....but we have to look at the long game of getting more deep red states to flip blue.  

 

For a Dem politician who barely won a seat in a super conservative, red state, the last thing that he/she should do is start making comments that could be used as ammo by Republicans to win the seat back.  This has to be a 'long game' and if things are to truly change for the better in this country, the Dems need to cultivate the idea that Dems aren't the enemy.

That said, the Jones attempt at being bi-partisan by not calling out DJT was about as weak as you can get. If Jones continues to make comments like this, then the metaphorical knives can be sharpened and a more progressive Dem candidate can be run for that seat. 

 

Let's see what he says in the coming months....remember what the alternative is.

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I'm reminded of Nancy Pelosi landing the Speaker of the House position, and blurting out that impeaching George Bush was "off the table" before Dennis Hastert's butt impression on the seat had cooled off.
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Like I said, do we want a "50 state strategy" or do we want a "token appearance in red states but no real competition?"

 

Because sure, we could nominate the liberal mirror image of Roy Moore in every state, but they're not going to win in most red states.  You have to tailor your message to your audience, or you don't get re-elected.  Are we going to count it a glorious victory if Democratic control of the House only lasts from 2018-2020 if we flip it next year?  Or do we maybe want it to last a little longer than that?

 

Do you really think Doug Jones won purely on his liberal cred in Alabama?  Or that a love of liberal policies were what swung that election?

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I understand pragmatism, and Doug Jones winning was always the preferred version of events, but watching him run to the center over the weekend makes me want to ask for a refund on my campaign donations.
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This is clearly the Dougie Jones that was born from the Black Lodge.
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Black Lodge?  Am I missing an insider joke?

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What I hope happens this week: Trey Gowdy gets indicted for conspiracy against the United States.

Why?  Because Gowdy has been the guy going after Mueller the hardest over the past few weeks.  He was also a big part of the Trump transition team, so Mueller will damned sure know that he's dirty.  Taking him down would be a good, hard message that everyone is going down.

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Originally Posted by Judas Booth View Post

Black Lodge?  Am I missing an insider joke?
Twin Peaks: The Return reference.
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Originally Posted by superlaser View Post


Twin Peaks: The Return reference.

 

Ah, thanks.  Didn't watch it.

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Just noticed:

1. No “Trump tweets” today, yesterday was just something about Corey Lewandowski’s book

2. I don’t think he’s ever said “Mueller” by name, like he’s the Candyman or something

This seems like he’s scared.
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Originally Posted by HunterTarantino View Post


This seems like he’s scared.

 

They're all scared.  I fully suspect that the Trump legal team is fucking scrambling right now.

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Of course, tomorrow, he’ll be on the offense about a witch hunt.
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Originally Posted by Judas Booth View Post

Oh, and the whole 'executive privilege' argument that Trump's lawyers are trying to use against these emails doesn't hold up.  Most of them are from .gov email addresses.  Ted Lieu, a former JAG, already weighed in and mentioned that courts do not give .gov email addresses a reasonable right to privacy.  Even Republican consultant Frank Luntz has chimed in that .gov email addresses are, in essence, public property.

I'm loving this.  This is the equivalent of Mueller showing up at the Trump lawyer dinner table and dropping his balls into the soup and saying 'who's got a problem with this?'  I'm anticipating a very fun week next week.



Thanks, Judas.
post #41429 of 45000
I just want that one sweet moment where Trump realizes that no one is gonna be there to catch him this time and he's running around screaming as his minions back into the bushes like Homer and he jumps in his giant duck and tries to flee Gotham.

...and I want all of that to somehow be captured on camera..
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Originally Posted by Judas Booth View Post
 

 

Trump can't fire Mueller, but he can order Rosenstein to fire him.  If he doesn't, then Trump can fire Rosenstein and install someone who WILL obey his order to fire Mueller.  It's exactly what happened to Nixon in the Saturday Night Massacre.

 

And it would play out in exactly the same manner, causing a similar public relations nightmare and constitutional crisis.  Going the 'fire Mueller' route would take Team Trump down the same rabbit hole that got Nixon and they know it.  It's why the GOP is grilling the fuck out of Rosenstein to try and get him to fire Mueller of his own volition (removing Trump from the equation).  Rosenstein has already said that he won't, so that's it.

 

It's not the same rabbit hole, though.  It's a different hole, dug into turf that includes a media machine and a Congress that's much more friendly to the Trump Administration than their Nixonian counterparts ever were.  The US government wasn't as dysfunctional and authoritarian as a whole during Watergate.

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Originally Posted by Seabass Inna Bun View Post
 

 

It's not the same rabbit hole, though.  It's a different hole, dug into turf that includes a media machine and a Congress that's much more friendly to the Trump Administration than their Nixonian counterparts ever were.  The US government wasn't as dysfunctional and authoritarian as a whole during Watergate.

 

https://www.vox.com/the-big-idea/2017/5/12/15630372/watergate-impeachment-conservative-public-opinion-trump-history

 

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/even-the-biggest-scandals-cant-kill-party-loyalty/

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What Trump is gonna do is write down on a piece of paper:

EXECATIVE ORDUR!!

Mwellerr does not exist. So he does not even need firing and nobody should listen to him.

Also....he's a big poopy pants meanie!

*turns towards the wall*
*crosses arms*
*holds breath*
*won't speak to anyone....like a child*
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Originally Posted by Seabass Inna Bun View Post
 

 

It's not the same rabbit hole, though.  It's a different hole, dug into turf that includes a media machine and a Congress that's much more friendly to the Trump Administration than their Nixonian counterparts ever were.  The US government wasn't as dysfunctional and authoritarian as a whole during Watergate.

 

A fair point.  However, it's looking more and more like a shit-ton of people are complicit in this particular scandal.  Many of these people are actually IN congress, so their asses are on the line in a way that they weren't during Nixon's scandal.

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For the record, those links above were more for general historical context, and have been posted before. Not a lecture. 

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From the fivethirtyeight link above....

 

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But Nixon retained party loyalists in Congress even after that dramatic move to stop those investigating him. The House Judiciary Committee held a series of votes about recommending Nixon’s impeachment in July 1974. All 21 committee Democrats, and six committee Republicans, voted for the first article of impeachment, which essentially accused Nixon of obstructing the investigation of the Watergate break-in. The other 11 Republicans voted against that article. There were three articles of impeachment against Nixon. Nineteen Democrats voted for all three articles of impeachment. Just one Republican did. A majority of the Republicans on the committee, 10 of the 17, voted against all three articles.1

 

The Watergate investigation is being looked at by those in the DJT admin. as a blueprint for how NOT to do it...they are going to try their best to cover all their bases so that they can get away with it this time.

 

And DJT loves Dick.

 

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Originally Posted by mondguy View Post

I understand pragmatism, and Doug Jones winning was always the preferred version of events, but watching him run to the center over the weekend makes me want to ask for a refund on my campaign donations.

 

So you'd prefer he make a meaningless comment that all but ensures his seat flips back red in 2020?

 

Apply the lesson Republican voters have whiffed on for 40+ years: Watch how he votes, not what he says. 

 

And remember the key point in all of this: The alternative to a lousy Democrat politician... is a lousy, stupid, evil Republican politician.

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Whenever asked about the president...the standard response should just be "Trump? Fuck him.."
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Yeah. When Mueller actually pulls the trigger and accuses the President of the United States of obstruction of justice, it's going to be surreal watching these guys side with the President instead of the law.

I'm an optimist by nature, but it's worth stating that Wars have started for less.

Also, if Trump simply refuses to leave, and Congress refuses to remove him... what exactly happens then? Because him just planting his ass in the chair and saying "I'm not going" is at least 40% likely. And Congressional Republicans don't seem willing to do anything other than maybe hold a press conference and say "I think the President should resign. But no, we aren't calling for his impeachment."
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Originally Posted by mondguy View Post

I understand pragmatism, and Doug Jones winning was always the preferred version of events, but watching him run to the center over the weekend makes me want to ask for a refund on my campaign donations.

 

You should do so.  You won't get them back, of course, but it would make the point.
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Originally Posted by Farsight View Post

So you'd prefer he make a meaningless comment that all but ensures his seat flips back red in 2020?

Apply the lesson Republican voters have whiffed on for 40+ years: Watch how he votes, not what he says. 

And remember the key point in all of this: The alternative to a lousy Democrat politician... is a lousy, stupid, evil Republican politician.

I totally agree on this. I'm just tired of the "Can't we get along with the Galactic Empire" mindset.
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Originally Posted by Judas Booth View Post
 

 

A fair point.  However, it's looking more and more like a shit-ton of people are complicit in this particular scandal.  Many of these people are actually IN congress, so their asses are on the line in a way that they weren't during Nixon's scandal.

 

It would work out nicely if everyone in a position to defend Trump is too busy being fitted for their own striped pajamas.

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Originally Posted by mondguy View Post

I totally agree on this. I'm just tired of the "Can't we get along with the Galactic Empire" mindset.

Agreed. Especially when none of them are exactly running to the center to meet anyone half way in return.
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McCain will miss the tax bill vote:

 

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/sen-john-mccain-returns-to-arizona-will-miss-vote-on-gop-tax-bill/

 

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Republican Sen. John McCain is returning to Arizona after spending several days in a Maryland hospital recovering from side effects from chemotherapy treatment for brain cancer, CBS News has learned. 
McCain left Washington Sunday and is heading back to his home state to spend the holidays with his family. He will not be on hand for the final vote on the GOP tax passage expected for early this week. It is unclear when McCain might return to Washington. 
Despite a razor-thin margin needed to pass the measure, McCain's presence will not likely be the determining factor in the vote. Two critical senators -- Bob Corker of Tennessee and Marco Rubio of Florida -- announced their support for the bill last week after initially saying they would oppose earlier versions. 
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Originally Posted by Judas Booth View Post
 

What I hope happens this week: Trey Gowdy gets indicted for conspiracy against the United States.

Why?  Because Gowdy has been the guy going after Mueller the hardest over the past few weeks.  He was also a big part of the Trump transition team, so Mueller will damned sure know that he's dirty.  Taking him down would be a good, hard message that everyone is going down.

 

"Treason's Greetings," motherfuckers.

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Originally Posted by Analog Olmos View Post

Yeah. When Mueller actually pulls the trigger and accuses the President of the United States of obstruction of justice, it's going to be surreal watching these guys side with the President instead of the law.

I'm an optimist by nature, but it's worth stating that Wars have started for less.

Also, if Trump simply refuses to leave, and Congress refuses to remove him... what exactly happens then? Because him just planting his ass in the chair and saying "I'm not going" is at least 40% likely. And Congressional Republicans don't seem willing to do anything other than maybe hold a press conference and say "I think the President should resign. But no, we aren't calling for his impeachment."

Well, in most cases and countries, you’d see the military sttteping up to the job...and that never, ever ends up right.
But in the USA? Fuck if I know.
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Well, in most cases and countries, you’d see the military sttteping up to the job...and that never, ever ends up right.
But in the USA? Fuck if I know.

I could honestly see nothing at all happen, just everything grind to a halt until the election. If Democrats take the House, then he'd be impeached. If they take the Senate, he'd be convicted if he didn't resign. If he's impeached or about to be, I could easily see a scenario where he resigns and Pence pardons him nearly simultaneously.

Pence is sticking around, guys. I still think it's a hail
Mary to get rid of a sitting President through the criminal legal process, but Trump is both dirty and stupid enough that I believe it's going to happen. Pence will be president though, for a while at least.
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One of these guys can't go to jail soon enough.  The other will, hopefully, lose his Senate seat soon.  The cookie's pretty cool, though.

 

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For hate speech.
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A nice bit of news showing that not all these assholes are above the law: Track Palin, Sarah's oldest and asshole-yist son, was arrested on domestic violence charges.

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