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post #151 of 456
hey where are the nominations for GODS OF EGYPT??
post #152 of 456
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hey where are the nominations for GODS OF EGYPT??

 

shhhhhh

post #153 of 456
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hey where are the nominations for GODS OF EGYPT??

Got you covered.

post #154 of 456
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Originally Posted by catartik View Post

Passengers for best costume and best original score? What a fucking laugh.

I actually think the PASSENGERS score is really good.  The most fully Newmanian thing Thomas Newman's written in a while.

 

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Mica Levi got a score nomination though. That's pretty cool.

Except the score's not great!  Might work well in the movie, though, I don't know.  Just as an album listen, UNDER THE SKIN is quite superior.

 

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And I was hoping Giacchino might have gotten a nod for Doctor Strange or Rogue One.  Thought he had a strong year.

Absolutely.  Both of those were long shots, but after being completely shafted last year for INSIDE OUT (which is really a crime, because that's one of his very best), I was hoping he might squeeze in.  Both DOCTOR STRANGE and ROGUE ONE's scores are worthy, and are on the list of my favorite scores from 2016.

 

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None for DESPLAT either! 

His LIGHT BETWEEN OCEANS score is absolutely gorgeous, and would have been a worthy nominee.  But nobody saw the movie!

post #155 of 456
99% Swiss Army Man's score is Daniel Ratcliffe and Paul Dano singing or making sound effects with their voices. It's fantastic and original and unlike anything else this year.

So obviously snubbed.

EDIT: Here I am doing my best to defend the score and I just realized it was probably disqualified because it isn't completely original due to 30 seconds of the Jurassic Park theme song being hummed and a barely recognizable rendition of Cotton Eye Joe.

This reminds me that I'm pretty sure there was a score from last year that was nominated for that reason as well. I can't think of it off the top of my head.
Edited by catartik - 1/24/17 at 2:36pm
post #156 of 456
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99% Swiss Army Man's score is Daniel Ratcliffe and Paul Dano singing or making sound effects with their voices. It's fantastic and original and unlike anything else this year.

So obviously snubbed.

I haven't seen the movie or heard the score (because I have an excellent sixth sense for determining when something really isn't for me), but I believe you.  As the music branch of the Academy has not, of late, shied away from experimental or out-there scores, I have no answer for this one's exclusion, other than perhaps it just didn't land with them.

 

ETA: Based on your description of the score, perhaps it was deemed ineligible.

post #157 of 456

You guys can keep your La La Lands.  Hunt for the Wilderpeople and "Ricky Baker Birthday Song" will always be Best Picture and Best Original Song in my heart.

 

 

Edit: This actually just made me wonder, lets say Wilderpeople were actually an Oscar contender (as well it should have been).  It's a New Zealand flick.  It's in English.  Does this automatically disqualify it from Best Foreign Language Feature?  

post #158 of 456
Dalyn you can vote for best song on BMD right now for their alternate awards.

http://birthmoviesdeath.com/2017/01/24/birth.movies.death.-alternate-oscars-best-score-and-song
post #159 of 456
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 One of the bigger controversies of this year’s awards season has been the way Birth Of A Nation completely collapsed after old rape allegations resurfaced against director and star Nate Parker while similar allegations against Manchester By The Sea star Casey Affleck failed to make any impact on his awards chances. This morning, Affleck received an Academy Award nomination for his work on the film, which is an honor that some see as either condoning his alleged actions or simply turning a blind eye to them—neither of which cast the Academy’s treatment of women in an especially good light.

 

I actually really liked Casey Affleck until I read the allegations made against him. If they're true then fuck that guy. 

post #160 of 456
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I know it's only nominated in two categories, but I really want Kubo to win something. 
No Pixar nom this year and two Disneys. There's a good chance Zootopia and Moana will split the vote and Kubo will get the plurality.
post #161 of 456
oh no Finding Dory nomination? How nice!
post #162 of 456
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Seriously?

Im a MCU apologist, and a Star Wars one, but I dont think for a second any of these movies is Oscar worthy.
They are great, fun and everything a blockbuster should be, but they are not the kind of movies to be honored with these kind of prizes, technical categories aside.

Wha???? Why do you hate genre pictures? They built the town!
post #163 of 456

Just remembered that Zootopia failed to get a best song nom for Dave Chen's favorite musical number.

 

I CAN TRY ANYTHING!

post #164 of 456

My only care in the world about this nonsense is that Michael Shannon wins so he can go on a profanity-laden rant about Trump and the people who voted him into office.

 

For his coup de grace, he'd walk off the stage and up to Clint Eastwood, take a big steaming shit on his lap and say: "Bet you wish you had Obama's powers of invisibility right about now."

post #165 of 456

how WONDERFUL that would be!

post #166 of 456
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My only care in the world about this nonsense is that Michael Shannon wins so he can go on a profanity-laden rant about Trump and the people who voted him into office.

 

For his coup de grace, he'd walk off the stage and up to Clint Eastwood, take a big steaming shit on his lap and say: "Bet you wish you had Obama's powers of invisibility right about now."

Or, you know, maybe not...

post #167 of 456

NO!!!

post #168 of 456
I don't know, I'd watch a winner lose his fucking mind. Michael Shannon shitting in Eastwood's lap can be right up there with David Niven and the streaker in Oscar highlight clips.
post #169 of 456

Whatever it takes to get through the evening, I guess.

 

Personally, whenever the Oscars get real-world political, I long for the days of Paddy Chayefsky smacking down Vanessa Redgrave's "Zionist hoodlums" moment.  Which, of course, was political in its own way, too, so I can't claim to be totally free of hypocrisy on this front.

post #170 of 456

I just want people to fight on stage

post #171 of 456
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I just want people to fight on stage

That I'd actually be okay with.  Some fisticuffs to liven up the super stale show formula!

post #172 of 456

Go full WWE and have Shannon clothsline Eastwood, only to have Eastwood hit him with a chair!

post #173 of 456
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Originally Posted by MrSaxon View Post

 

One of the bigger controversies of this year’s awards season has been the way Birth Of A Nation completely collapsed after old rape allegations resurfaced against director and star Nate Parker while similar allegations against Manchester By The Sea star Casey Affleck failed to make any impact on his awards chances. This morning, Affleck received an Academy Award nomination for his work on the film, which is an honor that some see as either condoning his alleged actions or simply turning a blind eye to them—neither of which cast the Academy’s treatment of women in an especially good light.

 

I actually really liked Casey Affleck until I read the allegations made against him. If they're true then fuck that guy. 

 

If its true fuck him, but I find it ironic Hollywood of all places is being self righteous about stuff like this.  If they're gonna start basing nominations on who's got the squeakiest behavioral resume, the place would be practically empty every year, because trust me, Affleck's supposed behavior isn't anywhere near unique.  Inevitably these kinds of discussions turn philosophical because of the sliding scale humans apply to sin.

post #174 of 456
I see that film Loving got a nomination. The name rings a bell but I haven't heard much about it. It looks to me like it may be bad, but I'm not 100% sure. Do you know of anyone who might be able to confirm or deny that assessment?
post #175 of 456

ok.. what am I missing?

post #176 of 456

Something about this years films feels...  Small.  Minimalist.  Slight.

 

It makes La La Land stick out like a shining beacon.  Where's the Gangs of New York for this year and stuff?  The big sweeping epics.  

post #177 of 456
were there any good ones this year?

BEN HURRR HURR HURRR
post #178 of 456

There's usually SOMETHING.

post #179 of 456

Hacksaw Ridge has some epic sweep.  

 

Not all years have big sweeping epics though.

 

2015's best picture nominees were:

 

American Sniper

Birdman

Boyhood

Grand Budapest Hotel

Imitation Game

Selma

Theory of Everything

Whiplash

post #180 of 456

I forgot about Hacksaw.  OK there's one.

 

Even something like Grand Butapest at least FEELS significant if only because of art direction.  

post #181 of 456
Is best costuming always the most useless? It seems like the Academy primarily, sometimes exclusively focuses on period pics. Like for the films of 1997, it's nothing but period pics, ignoring actual creative work done in THE FIFTH ELEMENT.

For this year FANTASTIC BEASTS is the only one that might qualify as having unique costuming... which also happens to be set in the 1940s from what I understand.
post #182 of 456

all awards are useless moviesports

 

awards for the MOST acting, the MOST editing, the MOST production design, the MOST sound fx...  THE MOST PICTURE

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post #184 of 456
Thread Starter 

LOL, of course Moonlight got that note.

 

The Heisserer and Schroder ones are downright surreal - the latter even by Hollywood standards. The "note within the note" thing is more common than one would think.

post #185 of 456
can we make it incest or two men????
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can we make it incest or two men????

post #187 of 456

If you're in London at the end of February and you want to check out an Oscar-nominated movie for free and stick your middle finger up at President Trump, this might be of interest to you!

 

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The mayor of London will join some of the leading names in British film at a free premiere screening of the Oscar-nominated The Salesman, the Iranian director of which was affected by Donald Trump’s travel ban.

During Academy Awards night on 26 February, Trafalgar Square will be transformed into London’s biggest open-air cinema for the first UK showing of Asghar Farhadi’s drama, hours before the Oscars are handed out in Hollywood.

 

Leading names from the British film industry, including the Palme d’Or-winning director Mike Leigh, will address an expected audience of up to 10,000 people in central London.

Sadiq Khan, the London mayor, is organising the screening, alongside the actor Lily Cole, the producer Kate Wilson and the film-maker Mark Donne, to coincide with the Oscars and “celebrate the capital’s success as a creative hub and beacon for openness and diversity”.

post #188 of 456
Thread Starter 

So at least a couple of major awards this year will actually be genuine cliffhangers going into the ceremony: the screenplay awards.

 

To summarize: of the major precursors, La La Land won the Globe, Manchester by the Sea (original) and Lion (adapted) won the BAFTAs, and Moonlight (original) and Arrival (adapted) won the WGA awards. To make things even more interesting, Moonlight is nominated in the adapted category at the Oscars.

 

If I had to guess, Manchester and Moonlight will win, but the lack of overlap between the precursor winners, and that so many potentially have the juice to win, is fairly interesting in a year when more of the winners than usual feel pretty predictable.

post #189 of 456
I don't think Adapted is actually that interesting. Moonlight will take it without much issue. At this point, Arrival doesn't seem to have much heat, and other elements of Hidden Figures and Fences seem to be getting noticed. I hear many of the older Academy voters like Lion, but I tend to think that the Screenplay award is a good place to reward a movie that most people really like that seems unlikely to take home the big prizes.

Original screenplay seems like a tighter race, but I think it favors Manchester. I don't think anyone would claim that La La Land's script is its strongest element, and the screenplay categories tend to be a good way to award challenging movies (think Her or Tarrantino's work) that probably won't win best picture. Still, it is entirely possible that La La Land fever could simply give the original screenplay award to it, too.

The race I am really curious about is Best Actor. Affleck has basically won every precursor except the most important one: the SAG. I think Denzel has three major advantages over Casey: both directors and actors who are voting will admire the fact that he self-directed himself to such a great performance, the Academy will be very consciously attempting to present a diverse slate of winners, and Casey's sexual harassment history. On the other hand, Casey is beloved by the critics and has already won a bunch of award. It seems basically like a toss-up.
post #190 of 456

Don't forget that while the actors represent the single largest voting bloc in the Academy, anyone can vote on the nominees. So the actors could be pushing hard for Denzel, but Casey could have support from the writers, directors, etc. It's gonna be close.

post #191 of 456
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Originally Posted by Boone Daniels View Post

Don't forget that while the actors represent the single largest voting bloc in the Academy, anyone can vote on the nominees. So the actors could be pushing hard for Denzel, but Casey could have support from the writers, directors, etc. It's gonna be close.

I think the directors could very easily favor Denzel. I suspect they will put a sizable weight on the fact that Denzel directed himself. It has also been 8 years since the Oscars last diverged from the SAGs in best actor. It is still a toss-up, though.
post #192 of 456

How much traction does this 'Casey Affleck beats up women' thing have?  Has it blown over?

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Hope the movie's not a total bore fest. 

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How much traction does this 'Casey Affleck beats up women' thing have?  Has it blown over?

He never beat women or raped anyone, which is why I don't think it ever blew up like the Nate Parker stuff. Apparently on the set of I'm Still Here, he sexually harassed two women, making suggestive comments, asking them to have sex, touching them inappropriately (though not sexually) and even going into one of their hotel rooms and getting in bed with one.

Two factors, besides the obvious color difference, seem to have kept Affleck from suffering the same fate as Nate Parker, despite being similarly non-apologetic. First, the quality of Manchester by the Sea is infinitely higher than that of Birth of a Nation, and the film itself is not authored by Affleck. Parker ran into even more trouble, I think, because he decided to include a rape scene to motivate Nat Turner that never actually happened. By being the primary artist behind Birth of a Nation, it was easy to identify the movie with Parker's crimes and dismiss it. Since Manchester is Lonnergan's film, it is easier to just view Affleck's performance in its own, isolated bubble. Second, it helps a lot that Casey Affleck is Ben's brother and Matt Damon's friend. People in Hollywood don't want to piss off powerful guys like them. The Damon connection is especially potent, since he is a producer on the movie. He is a "nice guy" who can advocate for the merits of both the film and Affleck's performance in it without being caught in the controversy. Parker simply never had such an advantage.
post #195 of 456
Is Matt Damon a 'nice guy' in Hollywood? Never really knew what his rep is/was.
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Is Matt Damon a 'nice guy' in Hollywood? Never really knew what his rep is/was.

That is what I've heard. No idea if it is true.
post #197 of 456

I forgot about Birth Of A Nation. Any awards buzz that had really was killed stone dead, huh.

 

Re: the Affleck allegations,

Warning: horrible opinion! (Click to show)
skeevy as they are, they actually struck me as almost quaint compared to the kind of exploitation and depravity I imagine routinely go on in Hollywood.
post #198 of 456

"Return to Texas for that one grizzled cowboy voice that Jeff Bridges does" 

 

Ohohohoho

 

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"Return to Texas for that one grizzled cowboy voice that Jeff Bridges does" 

 

Ohohohoho

 

 

Hollywood Hand JobActors needed an exclamation mark, though.

post #200 of 456

They're right about Sing Street getting robbed. In the word of Donald J Trump: SAD!!!!

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