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post #251 of 275

Damn.

 

post #252 of 275
post #253 of 275
Thread Starter 

Some tidbits about how fucked up all this is....

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“Apparently no one cares what the bill actually does.”

 

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Repeal first, ask questions later

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The bottom line: The repeal-and-replace bill sponsored by Sens. Lindsey Graham and Bill Cassidy is gaining steam because it has the appearance of gaining steam — not because of the changes it would make. "If there was an oral exam on the contents of the proposal, graded on a generous curve, only two Republicans could pass it. And one of them isn't Lindsey Graham," a senior GOP aide told Caitlin.

 

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Cassidy-Graham could still blow up in the GOP’s face. Here’s how.

post #254 of 275
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Originally Posted by VTRan View Post

Some tidbits about how fucked up all this is....


Republicans aren’t voting for Graham-Cassidy. They’re just voting for Obamacare repeal.

“Apparently no one cares what the bill actually does.”


Repeal first, ask questions later


Cassidy-Graham could still blow up in the GOP’s face. Here’s how.

I'm seriously getting close to the "Let Them Do It" camp. The uncertainty they've injected into the market is going to wreak havoc no matter what at this point - let's let them "win" and watch their constituents eat them alive when shit hits the fan. Honest to gods, enough of this. Repeal it, have private insurers cry foul, and let's turn some red states blue for 2018 and 2020. Then, Medicare for all. Then, they have my persmission to die.
post #255 of 275

Toomey's lines are getting positively hammered today.  I've never had so much problems getting through in past attempts.

post #256 of 275
Thread Starter 

The CrookedMedia guys have this up...

 

 

https://www.trumpcareten.org/crooked

 

 

Calls to Kill TrumpCare

 

Your tireless (and loud!) constituent power killed TrumpCare in July. And now, millions of people are depending on you to do it again. But if you live in a state with two Democratic Senators who support the ACA, you may be asking yourself: what more can I do? How can I influence persuadable Republicans in red states who may be on the fence?

Well, we have an answer! We’re bringing back the blue state/red state calling tool from the last healthcare fight.

Here’s how it works:

  1. Sign up below to make phone calls from our peer-to-peer dialing tool. You’ll get an email confirmation with a login, password, and URL to sign into our system. Once signed in, you can start making calls immediately—and we’ll give you a script to make it as easy as possible!

  2. Next, you’ll call a voter in a key state with a swing Republican Senator. These folks are your friends—they attended the Women’s March, they’re standing up to #DefendDACA, and/or fight for progressive causes.

  3. You explain how they have power now. You’ll remind them why the continued fight against TrumpCare is so important—and why they have particular power in this moment.

  4. You ask them to use their power. You’ll ask them to call their senator in opposition to the bill, and to share their own reasons for opposing it.

  5. The tool connects them to their Senator’s office. The call tool will allow you to automatically patch them through to the Senators’ district offices.

It’s super easy: more than 1,000 Indivisibles in blue states made 100,000 phone calls to constituents in our target states in the final two days before the healthcare vote in July. And we won. We can win this time, too.

post #257 of 275

BREAKING: The bipartisan Medicaid Directors from all 50 states just issued this negative statement about Graham-Cassidy.

Big. Very unusual. pic.twitter.com/ZtqaAI8hg1

— Andy Slavitt (@ASlavitt)

September 22, 2017
post #258 of 275

if this doesn't pass, will Koch Bros really stop funding repubs in the 2018 midterms?

 

What would THAT look like? 

post #259 of 275

McCain says he cannot in good conscience vote for Cassidy-Graham.

 

https://twitter.com/stevenportnoy/status/911286358001451008

 

Meanwhile, Paul and Collins also sound like Nos as well.

 

EDIT: McCain's full statement: https://twitter.com/yashar/status/911287385660563456

post #260 of 275

Lindsey Graham on Healthcare Repeal: I Had No Idea What I Was Doing - https://theintercept.com/2017/09/27/lindsey-graham-on-obamacare-repeal-i-had-no-idea-what-i-was-doing/

post #261 of 275
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Originally Posted by Mangy View Post
 

Lindsey Graham on Healthcare Repeal: I Had No Idea What I Was Doing - https://theintercept.com/2017/09/27/lindsey-graham-on-obamacare-repeal-i-had-no-idea-what-i-was-doing/

 

While not related to the ACA, the comment here makes me ???
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“It’s been the most amazing journey of my life. I’ve taken the eye off the ball on terrorism, I’m just amazed the whole planet hasn’t crumbled because I wasn’t on it,” Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., said of the weeks he’s spent leading the health care repeal effort.

 

I'm going to assume he was joking with regards to this comment....or does he actually believe that he's as important as he vocalizes here?

post #262 of 275

Andy Slavitt just posted a thread on how tax reform will essentially be a "synthetic repeal" of ACA - https://twitter.com/ASlavitt/status/916069859066286081

 

Meanwhile, Trump directed HHS to turn down Iowa's request to improve its ACA market - https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/as-aca-enrollment-nears-administration-keeps-cutting-federal-support-of-the-law/2017/10/05/cc5995a2-a50e-11e7-b14f-f41773cd5a14_story.html?tid=ss_tw&utm_term=.76244a1ffb80 

post #263 of 275

Now that a legislative repeal has fallen by the wayside, the emerging GOP strategy will be to use every cynical trick there is to pursue a health care agenda that no one wants — except the donor base. They're going to destroy any hope of a bipartisan solution with this nonsense and back the GOP's hold-outs into supporting the worst bill imaginable.

post #264 of 275

And my insurance policy was cancelled yet again.  Third year in a row!   Can my coverage (now costing me roughly twice what it cost me in 2014, and my deductible has quadrupled) get any worse and any more expensive!

 

I'm going to guess "YES!"

post #265 of 275
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And my insurance policy was cancelled yet again.  Third year in a row!   Can my coverage (now costing me roughly twice what it cost me in 2014, and my deductible has quadrupled) get any worse and any more expensive!

I'm going to guess "YES!"

I'm sorry Overlord, that's horrible. We had a gap in our kid's coverage after he was born and the stress of it stripped our gears. Hope you find something acceptable at least for catastrophic coverage in the short term.
post #266 of 275
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I'm sorry Overlord, that's horrible. We had a gap in our kid's coverage after he was born and the stress of it stripped our gears. Hope you find something acceptable at least for catastrophic coverage in the short term.

 

I appreciate it.  I'll be okay.  It's just maddening.

 

ACA helped a lot of people.  Us small business owners (who are healthy) were not one of them.  It's turned into a gigantic hidden tax.  

post #267 of 275

A GOP pollster discovered that 83% of Virginia supports Medicaid expansion:

 

https://pilotonline.com/news/government/politics/virginia/article_7b4f6d64-5012-5766-a853-12ab09f809b1.html

 

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A new poll finds that about 83 percent of Virginians are in favor of expanding Medicaid — that includes nearly 72 percent of Republicans. 


The support also crosses regional boundaries with more than 80 percent support in all areas of the state.

 

Nearly 86 percent of Hampton Roads residents polled in the survey are supportive.


The poll, released Tuesday and paid for by the Virginia Hospital and Healthcare Association, was conducted by Republican-leaning Public Opinion Strategies of Arlington. It interviewed 600 likely voters via landline and cell phone in mid-December. The margin of error is plus/minus 4 percent. Quotas were assigned to reflect voter registration by locality and region.


The largest demographic group not in favor were Republicans at 27 percent, followed by those older than 65 at 24 percent. 

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post #269 of 275
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Amazon, Berkshire Hathaway and JP Morgan team up to form health care mega-company "free from profit-making incentives" - https://www.axios.com/amazon-berkshire-hathaway-jpmorgan-form-health-care-mega-company-cd47db44-7ce7-493e-bc79-6065601830af.html?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=twsocialshare&utm_campaign=organic 

 

On one hand....interesting despite this supposed healthcare being only for their employees (?).

 

Now my other more skeptical hand thinks this is an attempt by 'big business' to put a stop to all the single-payer/Medicare for all talk. 

 

"See.....the 'free market' can do healthcare/ins. without that pesky interference from 'the GOVERNMENT' "

 

I don't see Amazon or JP Morgan (I'm not that familiar with BH) having an altruistic bone in their corporate bodies and this is just another level of healthcare privatization that they want a piece of.

post #270 of 275
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It's the GOP and they consistently lie, so.....
 

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Republicans give up on Obamacare repeal

Most GOP lawmakers aren’t interested in another failed effort to gut the health law in an election year.

 

WHITE SULPHUR SPRINGS, W.Va. — Republicans are giving up on their years-long dream of repealing Obamacare.

Though the GOP still controls both chambers of Congress and maintains the ability to jam through a repeal-and-replace bill via a simple majority, there are no discussions of doing so here at House and Senate Republicans’ joint retreat at The Greenbrier resort. Republicans doubt they can even pass a budget providing for the powerful party-line “reconciliation” procedure used to pass tax reform last year, much less take on the politically perilous task of rewriting health care laws in an election year.

 

“I don’t think leadership wants to,” said Sen. Bill Cassidy (R-La.), who worked with South Carolina Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) on a last-ditch repeal effort last fall. “In the sense of Graham-Cassidy, a partisan exercise? Doesn’t look like it.”

Republicans' decision to abstain from another attempt at gutting Barack Obama’s health law — at least this year — goes back on a pledge the party has made to voters since 2010. And it underscores how Republicans overpromised in their ability to reform the nation’s health care and never fully recognized how divided the party is over key Obamacare planks like protecting pre-existing conditions and preserving the law’s Medicaid expansion.

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post #271 of 275

Aetna might have some explaining to do:

 

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/state-launches-aetna-probe-after-stunning-admission/ar-BBJ0H7n?li=BBmkt5R&ocid=spartandhp

 

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California's insurance commissioner has launched an investigation into Aetna after learning a former medical director for the insurer admitted under oath he never looked at patients' records when deciding whether to approve or deny care.
California Insurance Commissioner Dave Jones expressed outrage after CNN showed him a transcript of the testimony and said his office is looking into how widespread the practice is within Aetna.
"If the health insurer is making decisions to deny coverage without a physician actually ever reviewing medical records, that's of significant concern to me as insurance commissioner in California -- and potentially a violation of law," he said.
Aetna, the nation's third-largest insurance provider with 23.1 million customers, told CNN it looked forward to "explaining our clinical review process" to the commissioner.
The California probe centers on a deposition by Dr. Jay Ken Iinuma, who served as medical director for Aetna for Southern California from March 2012 to February 2015, according to the insurer. 
During the deposition, the doctor said he was following Aetna's training, in which nurses reviewed records and made recommendations to him. 
post #272 of 275

Trump admin promotes junk "short-term plans" solely to undercut ACA - https://www.politico.com/story/2018/02/20/trump-short-term-insurance-health-care-310558 

 

post #273 of 275

We needed that public option in Obamacare so badly. 

 

The money spent bribing Joseph Lieberman (it was cheap ... only like 500k) was some of the best money ever spent by corporate America. 

post #274 of 275
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We needed that public option in Obamacare so badly. 

 

The money spent bribing Joseph Lieberman (it was cheap ... only like 500k) was some of the best money ever spent by corporate America. 

 

Like I said before in another thread, Ted Kennedy couldn't even die right (cost them Seat 60 and hence not needing the arch traitor and general all-round shithead Traitor Joe - why did the Democrats always seem to need 60 votes for anything anyway?).

post #275 of 275
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Like I said before in another thread, Ted Kennedy couldn't even die right (cost them Seat 60 and hence not needing the arch traitor and general all-round shithead Traitor Joe - why did the Democrats always seem to need 60 votes for anything anyway?).


Because they foolishly never did away with the "super-majority to end a filibuster in regards to legislation" rule (they did eliminate it for certain appointments).

 

It was sheer insanity. 

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