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post #1 of 35
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Waiting for the screening to start.

Deepwater Horizon was solid. But that one didn't have much of a tightrope to walk between the bravery of the blue-collar and the greed of corporations. It was an efficiently straightforward recreation of events.

We'll see how Team Wahl/Berg handle (or sidestep) the issues surrounding the Boston Marathon bombing.
post #2 of 35

Well, Trent Reznor scored it, so I'll have to see it. He spoke highly of the finished film in a recent interview, too.


The day the event happened was a bit surreal, since one of my good friends was living near the neighborhood where the final manhunt ended. I'd been up from Providence a few times to visit him, so I know the area.

post #3 of 35
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I liked it. It's an odd mix of Berg's continued Mann/Greengrass docudrama aesthetic... but also has various moments that just SCREAM Hollywood (one liners and big movie speeches). But aside from some odd tonal clashes here and there, there are moments of great suspense/tension.

That was probably helped by the fact that I really didn't follow the manhunt that followed the bombing back in 2013, so there was a lot in this movie that was completely new to me (depending on how many liberties were taken with the true stories).

The film is VERY much a dedication to the people of Boston. If that wasn't obvious from the film itself, the epilogue/coda really lays that bare.

If the movie becomes a hit, it's going to be very interesting to see how people react to the reactions to the film's portrayal of the Tsarnaevs (or the fact that any of this is portrayed at all).
post #4 of 35
I thought this was pretty good.
post #5 of 35
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It's pretty solid.
post #6 of 35
Michelle Monaghan is pretty pretty.
post #7 of 35
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she's pretty barely in the movie!

but then, most of the actors are barely in the movie.

supergirl is a terrorist though
post #8 of 35
Originally Posted by mcnooj82 View Post

supergirl is a terrorist though

Duh, she's an illegal alien.
post #9 of 35

How was the music?

post #10 of 35
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super buzzy!

It didn't stand out as anything special to me. Just a pulse to drive the tension.
post #11 of 35

Nice. I hope Trent gets me so buzzed up with them tensions I gotta lean back like


post #12 of 35
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I think the only Reznor and/or Ross scores that have stuck with me outside of the film have been Social Network, Book of Eli, and Gone Girl.

post #13 of 35
That seems like a pretty good batting average. Can you name other notable film composers who did most of their work in the last ten years with more than three memorable scores?

Junkie XL seems like the closest comparable arist and his work on Fury Road is amazing but the rest of his stuff not so much.
post #14 of 35

Wesley Morris spoke pretty highly of this one while discussing how problematic it was, so I'm going to have to check this out. 

post #15 of 35
Originally Posted by Shreds View Post

That seems like a pretty good batting average. Can you name other notable film composers who did most of their work in the last ten years with more than three memorable scores?

Junkie XL seems like the closest comparable arist and his work on Fury Road is amazing but the rest of his stuff not so much.


Junkie XL has that Wonder Woman theme, too. 


I also think there's a difference between being able to name a score and recognize a piece of music/theme. Like, I couldn't hum the music to any of Giacchino's stuff, but I know the Star Trek and Up themes when I hear them. 

post #16 of 35

I really couldn't tell the difference between Junkie XL's Wonder Woman theme and anything Bear McCreary did in his BSG run.

post #17 of 35
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Originally Posted by Boone Daniels View Post

Wesley Morris spoke pretty highly of this one while discussing how problematic it was, so I'm going to have to check this out. 

Listening to them now!


oh man, when he praises the movie's execution only to end with: "Why does this movie exist???"


That's kinda the perfect reaction to the movie.  I had a similar feeling throughout.

Edited by mcnooj82 - 1/12/17 at 10:03am
post #18 of 35

I feel that way about 90 percent of the movies Peter Berg makes. 

post #19 of 35
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BATTLESHIP is in the 10% right???

post #20 of 35

Battleship, Kingdom, and the pilot of Friday Night Lights. Those are the ones I like. 


post #21 of 35
"Very Bad Things" is criminally underrated and about a million miles away from the tone of his other flicks.
post #22 of 35
I mostly remember Very Bad Things as being very shrill and unpleasant.

I wonder if I feel different now that it's been at least ten years since I've seen it.
post #23 of 35

This was alright. But 10-15 mins too long.

post #24 of 35

This movie is fucking disgusting. The first half uses real-life suffering to score some cheap sentimental points at the end. The movie doesn't spend enough time with any of the victims to make them actual characters; they are just victims. The second half goes out of its way to endorse the most terrifying aspect of the bombings: the complete shut down of an American city and it being overtaken by the security state. Seeing that still chills me to the bone, especially now that Donald Trump will be in command of those substantial resources. The bombing was evil, no doubt, but the measures that were taken to hunt the Tsarnaevs are truly terrifying. The movie basically asks us to cheer for the erosion of our civil liberties, even if it does pay some lip-service to how crazy this situation is. The fact that someone in my audience audibly decried Dzhokhar getting his legal right to an appeal made me even more frightened. The movie ends with a whole bunch of bullshit about how strong Boston/America is, but it basically endorses tearing everything unique about America down so we can HUNT THE TERRORISTS!!!! 


Also, someone needs to have an intervention for Mark Wahlberg and his desire to insert himself into real life tragedies. I know he thinks he could have stopped 9/11 and all, but it is getting increasingly gross. At least Deepwater Horizon had the excuse of telling the story of the guys who were mostly forgotten in the wake of that disaster; this movie adds no extra understanding to the tragedy. It simply exploits tragedy for financial/awards gain, while also endorsing a police state. 


All of that being said, Berg's technical prowess is impressive. The shootout in Watertown is very well staged - it's just all in service of a piece of shit. 

post #25 of 35
I didn't realize until after I'd seen it that Wahlberg was a composite character, and not playing one particular real-life person.
post #26 of 35
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Yeah, I couldn't figure that out until I read more about the incident and the movie later.


The movie walks such an odd line with that character.  It treats him like a real person at times where he isn't all that proactive in a lot of the plot through the whole movie (he spends a bunch of the movie just driving around while the real events are going on).  But then he'll get the big movie moment where he's the only one who knows the streets well enough to know the location of all the cameras... and then he'll get that big Oscar clip speech.

post #27 of 35
I hope he plays Richard Marx in the movie about Richard Marx tying up some unruly asshole on a plane.
post #28 of 35

Peter Berg is one terror attack away from becoming this administration's Veidt Harlan.

post #29 of 35

This movie is not good.


What's frustrating is that there are flashes of really good stuff in it, and maybe even a better movie. The sequence in the middle of the movie where the Tsnarev brothers go on a carjacking is one of the most gripping/compelling sequences I've seen in a while. The way it's shot, edited, the way the dialogue feels naturalistic - you could have done an entire movie just set in that car. Or at the end, when you actually hear interviews with the real people being portrayed in the movie - Berg is a really decent documentarian (see: Kings Ransom), and I would have watched an entire movie about that alone. 


But ultimately, it's in service to Berg's militarism, his indulgence in Americana, and unquestioning patriotism/support of cops and the armed forces. One line from John Goodman "That's pretty close to marshal law" does not a nuanced movie make. 

post #30 of 35

Did you like Deepwater Horizon by the way?

post #31 of 35

I didn't see it, but this movie has made me very curious about the late-period, pro-working class streak of Berg's, and so I'll probably check it out. 

post #32 of 35

I can't help but think of Michael Bay as compared to Berg. They both share in the America indulgence thing.

post #33 of 35

Bay is interesting in that when I see his films, I don't really see a political agenda per se, other than "that's fucking cool." Over these last three pictures, and maybe as far back as FNL or Battleship, Berg seems to have a political tact to his films. I remember a lot of critiques of Lone Survivor (which I also want to see) pointing out that the movie focused almost entirely on the trapped soldiers, with little or no political context as to why they're there. I got that in this one, too. 

post #34 of 35
Deepwater Horizon is situated within the same working-class milieu as Patriot's Day, but the fact that it isn't about soldiers or the police means that it isn't as marked by Berg's militaristic leanings. It isn't a great film, but it didn't trouble me in the way Patriot's Day did. Besides, everyone can agree that oil companies are the worst.
post #35 of 35

I don't know what it is, but I just can't get into either of these guys. Tried to watch Bay's Benghazi movie, but switched off half way through. It was technically well done, but I could not see these people as even one dimensional human beings. The cliched short hand approach Bay takes to his characters prevents me from giving even a partial shit about any of them. 


There's also something shallow or phony about both Berg and Bay's Uber Patriotism. 


I contrast that with John Milius, who is a Uber Patriot blowhard, but made movies that grabbed my attention and entertained me. 

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