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post #1 of 237
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Marvel officially announces the start of production today, and finally confirms Martin Freeman and Andy Serkis are reprising their roles as Everett Ross and Ulysses Klaue.

 

https://news.marvel.com/movies/58647/marvel-studios-begins-production-black-panther-2/

 

I just hope Marvel gives Coogler free reign to do what he did with Creed. The cast is absolutely amazing.

post #2 of 237
I really dug Martin Freeman in "Civil War." Is he Thunderbolt Ross's brother, cousin, son, nephew, clone?
Edited by Bradito - 1/26/17 at 2:53pm
post #3 of 237
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I don't think there's any connection between the two in the comics, though I suppose given Everett's, er, "competence" in the source material, nepotism would make a lot of sense as his background here.

 

Also, a possible villain team-up between Serkis, Michael B. Jordan, Winston Duke, and possibly even

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Lupita Nyong'o

sounds baller as hell. Glad that Serkis is getting a live-action villain turn for a change.

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post #5 of 237
Erik Killmonger. What a handle.
post #6 of 237
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The headline says I'm not ready for this movie.

...

"Also, the characters fight giant rhino-mechs..."



They're right. I'm not ready for that. Not again.
post #7 of 237

oh I AM READY

 

don't think that I didn't have the same thought!

post #8 of 237
Maybe they're Republicans In Name Only in mech suits.
post #9 of 237
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Maybe they're Republicans In Name Only in mech suits.

though for some reason, it would still be in the form of an elephant...

 

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post #11 of 237

Teaser trailer tonight in game 4 of the NBA finals.

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The team-up movie we all really want.

post #13 of 237

That one for THE PHANTOM is better.  That one for BLACK PANTHER looks like a total rush job.

 

OH SHIT, we have the teaser launching tonight.  We need to whip out a poster.  Bob, doesn't your son know photoshop?

post #14 of 237

Poster is garbage. 

 

Teaser Trailer will hopefully be anti-garbage. 

post #15 of 237

Until I saw it elsewhere on the web I thought that was some fan art, maybe a P-shop job over a not particularly well drawn existing comics cover... I honestly don't know what Marvel are thinking when they put this stuff out.

 

The resemblance to the Phantom poster is pretty funny since the Panther owes some superficial details to the earlier character. You'd almost suspect they did that on purpose.

 

Wonder how much of a teaser this trailer's going to be-- the movie is still quite a ways off.

post #16 of 237
the poster looks more like the result of one of those fun family photo ops at amusement parks

STICK YOUR HEAD IN HERE
post #17 of 237
Oh, man. I had that Phantom poster on my wall when I was a #teen. I got it at a comic book convention.
post #18 of 237

I used to love The Phantom when I was younger. I think it was the start of my "thing" for Catherine Zeta Jones (fuck you Michael Douglas).

post #19 of 237
I only hope Black Panther has as cool a tagline as "SLAM EVIL!"
post #20 of 237
I also had a Phantom skull ring.

I had no idea what a Phantom phan I was until now.
post #21 of 237
That throne is nice, but I can't get over that Uncanny Valley cg head. Or is that realy him and a bad composite?
post #22 of 237
It looks to me like they probably had a perfectly serviceable digital painting of a masked T'Challa on his throne, and decided at the last minute to badly photoshop Chadwick Boseman's head over it. I wonder if Boseman's agent insisted on that.
post #23 of 237

Gunn and Waititi must be hiring their own designers. Because Marvel's record for this stuff is fucking terrible, otherwise.

post #24 of 237
Man, now I have a hankering to catch back up on The Phantom.
post #25 of 237
Uh... That TV spot that just aired during game 4.

It looked like shit, dudes.
post #26 of 237

Teaser Trailer is up

 

post #27 of 237

That forest scene at the beginning feels so cheap.

 

Still excited for the movie.  Not all that jazzed by this teaser as a teaser.  I hope it looks better in the theater, because it has that milky digital look that other marble movies have.  It doesn't feel all that colorful despite there clearly being a lot of color in the costumes.  I said the same for the trailer for Ragnarok on youtube... and it looked better overall in a big theater.

post #28 of 237

You're wrong that looks amazing.  

post #29 of 237

Love Michael B. Jordan's look!

 

But this teaser trying to milk some kind of 'creepy interrogation laugh/two-way mirror moment" with someone from someone who was barely made an impression from a dull movie like ultrum?

 

it is to laugh!

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You're wrong that looks amazing.  

Explain.
post #31 of 237
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Given that this is Black Panther, it is interesting that the first trailer is largely taken up by two white guys.

 

I enjoyed Serkis' appearance in Age of Ultron just as a chance to see the guy not being CGIed out of the film for once, and am deeply amused by his going FULL HAMMMMM in his reunion with Freeman here, but c'mon, we all know T'Challa from Civil War, and he was the best part. Give the guy a line!

post #32 of 237
Fucking whoa.

I truly love that trailer.
post #33 of 237

As of now I don't plan on skipping a Marvel movie, so of course I'll be seeing this.

post #34 of 237
That looks good to me. Love the costumes.
post #35 of 237
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Given that this is Black Panther, it is interesting that the first trailer is largely taken up by two white guys.

 

I enjoyed Serkis' appearance in Age of Ultron just as a chance to see the guy not being CGIed out of the film for once, and am deeply amused by his going FULL HAMMMMM in his reunion with Freeman here, but c'mon, we all know T'Challa from Civil War, and he was the best part. Give the guy a line!

Coogler is just giving us The Hobbit reunion we've all been waiting for!

post #36 of 237
I guess I need to watch this on YouTube instead of TV.

On TV, it looked like a digital photography nightmare.
post #37 of 237
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Coogler is just giving us The Hobbit reunion we've all been waiting for!


Well, it definitely was the best scene in The Hobbit, by far. I'd go so far as to say that Martin Freeman is the best scene partner Andy Serkis has ever had, other than Andy Serkis.

post #38 of 237
Eh. Love Coogler, but I already made my superhero tentpole exception with Wonder Woman. Back to the wilderness of movies without Pepsi tie-ins for me.
post #39 of 237
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Explain.

It feels like a trailer for a product made by black artists, sort of like Luke Cage which I also liked a lot.  

post #40 of 237

Oh yes. This is going to be great.

post #41 of 237
It looks exactly like a Marvel movie with 90% more black people in it. Whether it will *feel* that way remains to be seen. Coogler is an exceptional and intelligent filmmaker, so I can't see him doing something that doesn't have a thoughtful head on its expensive shoulders, but as a piece of advertisement, there's really not much that stands out.
post #42 of 237
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It looks exactly like a Marvel movie with 90% more black people in it. Whether it will *feel* that way remains to be seen. Coogler is an exceptional and intelligent filmmaker, so I can't see him doing something that doesn't have a thoughtful head on its expensive shoulders, but as a piece of advertisement, there's really not much that stands out.

Marvels last few entries such as Guardians 1 and 2, Doctor Strange etc have made really positive strides towards feeling thoughtful or different or loaded with unique personality.  I'm not worried.  

post #43 of 237
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It feels like a trailer for a product made by black artists, sort of like Luke Cage which I also liked a lot.  

Dude, you can't make that your argument because it makes me look like an asshole for saying Luke Cage was complete shit.
post #44 of 237

Almost all of the effects work in that teaser looks pretty damn dicey, but it's early.  I'm not particularly sold on the design choices for Wakanda, which appear to be a mish-mash of African culture, Asgard, and CGI generic FUTURE CITY looks.

 

I have confidence in Coogler, and I know it's just a teaser throwing a lot of imagery at us, but my gut reaction is to be unimpressed at this juncture.  I expect the full trailer in front of RAGNAROK will be better, and will start to sell the actual story of the movie.

post #45 of 237
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Dude, you can't make that your argument because it makes me look like an asshole for saying Luke Cage was complete shit.

*gasp!*

 

I get you.  It was a very very uneven series.  The final villain was even AWFUL.  BUT!  As a series, it had this great personality.  So much personality.  Funky blackspoitation even.  That goes a long way.  

post #46 of 237
As long as Coogler doesn't allow himself to get locked into indentured servitude with Disney/Marvel, then I don't care. If Black Panther combined with Creed allows him to do as he pleases and go big on other projects, then that's a win.
post #47 of 237
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It feels like a trailer for a product made by black artists, sort of like Luke Cage which I also liked a lot.  

Not just black, but African. I absolutely love the look and designs of this; it pretty much looks like what a big budget movie about an African superhero should look like.
The costumes, architecture, makeup and weapon design all seem to encompass elements of Africa's huge and diverse cultural history, which is incredibly deep for each nation, tribe and ethnicity.
Yes, the forest scene looked cheaper, but it screamed of being early footage, but everything else?
It looks like it took the same outlandish, Jack Kirby "larger than life" aesthetic we saw in the Thor: Ragnarok trailer but put it under an African filter.
I'm absolutely thrilled with it, even more because it hints at exactly what makes Black Panther a great character: that he is essentially a Warrior King, and as such, the threats, responsibilities and consequences he deals with are above that of other heroes.
And again, this is a high budget, tent pole studio film that is pretty much entirely black on its creative and acting camps.
That is absolutely huge; if the film is a bonafide box office and critical hit, it would follow on Wonder Woman's heels in terms of creative and casting diversity taking over Hollywood.
This could be a game changer.
post #48 of 237
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Originally Posted by Freeman View Post

*gasp!*

I get you.  It was a very very uneven series.  The final villain was even AWFUL.  BUT!  As a series, it had this great personality.  So much personality.  Funky blackspoitation even.  That goes a long way.  

Agreed; it may have run into the usual last episodes quality decay and villain issues Marvel seems to be unable to shake off, but in terms of personality, talent and themes? Like Cage was fantastic.
Hell, had Cottonmouth and Black Mariah stayed as the main villains, and had merely set up Diamondback for season 2, it would had been much better.
post #49 of 237
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Not just black, but African. I absolutely love the look and designs of this; it pretty much looks like what a big budget movie about an African superhero should look like.
The costumes, architecture, makeup and weapon design all seem to encompass elements of Africa's huge and diverse cultural history, which is incredibly deep for each nation, tribe and ethnicity.
Yes, the forest scene looked cheaper, but it screamed of being early footage, but everything else?
It looks like it took the same outlandish, Jack Kirby "larger than life" aesthetic we saw in the Thor: Ragnarok trailer but put it under an African filter.
I'm absolutely thrilled with it, even more because it hints at exactly what makes Black Panther a great character: that he is essentially a Warrior King, and as such, the threats, responsibilities and consequences he deals with are above that of other heroes.
And again, this is a high budget, tent pole studio film that is pretty much entirely black on its creative and acting camps.
That is absolutely huge; if the film is a bonafide box office and critical hit, it would follow on Wonder Woman's heels in terms of creative and casting diversity taking over Hollywood.
This could be a game changer.

All of this. A thousand times, all of this. I don't know how someone looks at the architecture and people in this trailer and walks away with "generic." What I saw was visionary.
post #50 of 237
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Originally Posted by JacknifeJohnny View Post

As long as Coogler doesn't allow himself to get locked into indentured servitude with Disney/Marvel, then I don't care. If Black Panther combined with Creed allows him to do as he pleases and go big on other projects, then that's a win.


He just set up his next project with Jordan this week at New Regency and Plan B.

 

http://deadline.com/2017/06/ryan-coogler-michael-b-jordan-wrong-answer-math-cheating-scandal-new-regency-plan-b-ta-nehisi-coates-1202109192/

 

And Ta-Nehisi Coates is writing it.

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