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post #201 of 237
Funnily enough though....Blade has one of my least favorite FX shots in any film ever. One that I just despise. It's that shot of the fire flying down that hallway and over the vampires heads as Blade, Karen and Whistler are escaping towards the subway tunnel. It's a testament to how much I love the film when I can let a shot like that not bother me at all. It's so atrociously ugly lol. Blade has a handful of cruddy FX shots that haven't aged particularly well and that's the worst one to me but they just DO NOT matter when viewing the movie as a whole..
post #202 of 237

Blade is a movie that 14-year-old Bart tried to sneak into, having bought a ticket for the Vanessa Williams's gamechanger Dance with Me, but got caught.

 

I ended up watching all of Dance with Me. 

post #203 of 237
Ouch. There just had to have been SOMETHING else you could've bought a ticket for just in case you got caught because that's a pretty brutal one to have to sit through. Wasn't Mask of Zorro still there or something? Anything??
post #204 of 237

Looks like Zorro came out July 17, so it was long gone.

 

The Avengers (no, not that one) came out August 14, 1998. I did, in fact, see that in theaters and regretted it, so I didn't want to risk that again.

 

In a month full of R-rated fare like Halloween: H20, Snake Eyes, How Stella Got Her Groove Back, and Dead Man on Campus, intrepid young Bart had few options. 

post #205 of 237

No one remembers Spawn.

 

And I guess that's okay.

post #206 of 237
I still do! I even watch it again every so often because of how my feelings on certain types of bad movies have changed over the years. I hated it 20 years ago because I expected a badass slick movie. Not one that was cruddy looking and that silly and stupid..
post #207 of 237
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Funnily enough though....Blade has one of my least favorite FX shots in any film ever. One that I just despise. It's that shot of the fire flying down that hallway and over the vampires heads as Blade, Karen and Whistler are escaping towards the subway tunnel. It's a testament to how much I love the film when I can let a shot like that not bother me at all. It's so atrociously ugly lol. Blade has a handful of cruddy FX shots that haven't aged particularly well and that's the worst one to me but they just DO NOT matter when viewing the movie as a whole..

 

BLADE still works but it as a few scenes that suffer from absolutely atrocious (even for 1998) CGI.

post #208 of 237

Blade is a movie that has a lot of swagger.

post #209 of 237

This joke about Tolkien White Guys is terrific. Twitter at its best.

post #210 of 237
What’s Blade? Is it the prequel to Blade Runner?
post #211 of 237
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What’s Blade? Is it the prequel to Blade Runner?

post #212 of 237

Blade 1 and 2 are awesome!

post #213 of 237

Blade Trinity is remarkable only for 1) how fucking terrible it is and 2) you get to see Ryan Reynolds auditioning for Deadpool almost ten years before it was made.

post #214 of 237
Blade: Trinity has one good non-Reynolds moment. Blade is being interviewed by a psychiatrist who asks him who’s the president, and Blade says, “AN ASSHOLE.”

Other than that, there’s a lot of unintentional hilarity.
post #215 of 237

The best hilarity is reading up on the behind-the-scenes shenanigans with the movie, including Snipes being stoned to Jupiter for the entire filming.

post #216 of 237
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Look, I wanna like this because I'm black and black power and all that, but it really looks like every other Marvel movie only with black people and more colorful set dressing.  I just can't get excited about my people becoming indoctrinated into the Marvel print shop.

 

Honestly it DOES look different from other Marvel Movies, and I have faith that Coogler will bring some "noise" to this film.

 

I'll say it tho: Wallace's hairdo: not workin for me. 

post #217 of 237

"Freeman and Serkis are this movies Tolkien white guys."

 

 

-some dickhead on the internet. Thought that was hilarious.

post #218 of 237
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Look, I wanna like this because I'm black and black power and all that, but it really looks like every other Marvel movie only with black people and more colorful set dressing.  I just can't get excited about my people becoming indoctrinated into the Marvel print shop.

 

(Ambler walks in the bar, sits down in the same table with a group of bitter, drunken Norwegians.)

 

"You too? Fittans Marvel, they should get Mjölnir'd up their arsehole. Skål, mig friend." 

 

(Ambler downs a skull-full of vodka, as the group sits in silence)

post #219 of 237
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Look, I wanna like this because I'm black and black power and all that, but it really looks like every other Marvel movie only with black people and more colorful set dressing.  I just can't get excited about my people becoming indoctrinated into the Marvel print shop.

yeah...yeah.

post #220 of 237
The entire conceit of Black Panther is a fascinating one in its relation to modern American race relations.

Most T’Challa origin stories involve a conflict with Klaw. Klaw is the son of a Nazi war criminal that tried to invade Wakanda to get its precious natural resource, Vibranium.

Except Wakanda is a technologically advanced civilization that resists Klaw’s imperialism. It’s basically a wishful-thinking rewriting of the entire history of Western Europe’s carving up of Africa leading to the slave trade.

The current comic writer Ta-Nehisi Coates has done a lot with this, and I’m sure he’s involved with the movie somehow. But the real question is does this kind of speculative fiction being applied to Africa’s history cheapen the real-life atrocities?
post #221 of 237
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The entire conceit of Black Panther is a fascinating one in its relation to modern American race relations.

Most T’Challa origin stories involve a conflict with Klaw. Klaw is the son of a Nazi war criminal that tried to invade Wakanda to get its precious natural resource, Vibranium.

Except Wakanda is a technologically advanced civilization that resists Klaw’s imperialism. It’s basically a wishful-thinking rewriting of the entire history of Western Europe’s carving up of Africa leading to the slave trade.

The current comic writer Ta-Nehisi Coates has done a lot with this, and I’m sure he’s involved with the movie somehow. But the real question is does this kind of speculative fiction being applied to Africa’s history cheapen the real-life atrocities?
I don’t think it cheapens it any more than a comic book cover of Cap punching Hitler in the face or the Cinema Massacre in Inglorious Bastards or blowing up Nazis in Wolfenstein cheapen the Holocaust or WW2.
post #222 of 237
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I don’t think it cheapens it any more than a comic book cover of Cap punching Hitler in the face or Cinema Massacre in Inglorious Bastards or blowing up Nazis in Wolfenstein cheapen the Holocaust or WW2.

Good point! But think about how Captain America: The First Avenger handles World War II. 

 

While in the comics Cap has been portrayed as being involved in pivotal events to the war, the movie has him specifically fighting Hydra in a secret mini-war. The later movies, especially the Smithsonian footage in Winter Soldier, do subtly imply he may have done more, like been at Normandy, but Marvel makes it a point to play that down. 

 

Inglorious Basterds is kind of an exception because Tarantino is specifically playing around with the power of cinema and the catharsis of rewriting history. It's no mistake that Ulmer and Donny infiltrate a movie theater that's playing a Nazi propaganda film that rewrites the events of Zoller's "heroic" battle with American troops. Tarantino's playing around with how popular narrative can overtake reality. 

 

Wolfenstein, sure. But fighting a Hitler with gatling gun hands is frigging sweet.

 

I'm just saying, Wakanda has always been portrayed as this isolationist country. It resists invasion, but has the question ever been asked why didn't they do more to help neighboring African countries? Usually I don't like this kind of lens to be used with my superhero movies (it's why Civil War bugs me), but it seems unavoidable when you drop a fictional powerful, utopian country into the heart of a continent's volatile history.

 

This would be a great time to allow some leeway between the movies and the TV shows, just so Luke Cage could show up and ask T'Challa, "So where was Wakanda the last 500 years?" 

post #223 of 237
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I'm just saying, Wakanda has always been portrayed as this isolationist country. It resists invasion, but has the question ever been asked why didn't they do more to help neighboring African countries? Usually I don't like this kind of lens to be used with my superhero movies (it's why Civil War bugs me), but it seems unavoidable when you drop a fictional powerful, utopian country into the heart of a continent's volatile history.

This would be a great time to allow some leeway between the movies and the TV shows, just so Luke Cage could show up and ask T'Challa, "So where was Wakanda the last 500 years?" 
I think they’ll sidestep that by having T’Challa be the person advocating for/responsible for making Wakanda less isolated. So T’Challa’s entire struggle becomes an admission that they stayed isolated too long.

They also have a valid sci-if plot reason to fall back on: protecting the Vibranium.
post #224 of 237

I'm intrigued how the movie will answer this question. It's clear that in Civil War and in here that Wakanda is introducing itself to the world stage, but the world has been aware of its existence, unlike, say, Themysciria in Wonder Woman. As far back as The First Avenger Cap's shield is made of Vibranium, so somehow some of it got out.

 

Also, kudos to Marvel for building up Black Panther so long. From said mention in The First Avenger to Klaw in Age of Ultron to Civil War to now, they've come a long way from clunky Hawkeye cameos in Thor. 

post #225 of 237

I find it notable, though I'm not sure how, that both 'First MCU with a black lead' and the 'First DCU with a female lead' both set their origins in an isolated black utopia and an isolated female utopia, respectively. I look forward to reading someone else's essay on this, come February.

post #226 of 237
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I find it notable, though I'm not sure how, that both 'First MCU with a black lead' and the 'First DCU with a female lead' both set their origins in an isolated black utopia and an isolated female utopia, respectively. I look forward to reading someone else's essay on this, come February.

Positive discrimination writ large?

post #227 of 237

Some motherfuckers are always trying to ice skate uphill.

post #228 of 237

....?

post #229 of 237

Overlord just loves free food. And you look like seafood.

post #230 of 237
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Overlord just loves free food. And you look like seafood.

 

That lyric irritates me.  Logically, "free food" and "seafood" should be reversed given the context of the scene.  

 

DID YOU LIKE THE SONG?

post #231 of 237
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That lyric irritates me.  Logically, "free food" and "seafood" should be reversed given the context of the scene.
This is 150% correct.
post #232 of 237

I have no idea what the fuck any of you are talking about. 

 

Also, I hate seafood.

post #233 of 237

Get the hook.

post #234 of 237
I would've also said what a terrible performance.
post #235 of 237

Don't you have toothy vags to write about?

post #236 of 237
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I have no idea what the fuck any of you are talking about. 

 

Also, I hate seafood.

YOU CAN'T RUN FROM ME!

 

oh, you can ...you keep surprising me...

post #237 of 237
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Don't you have toothy vags to write about?

Always.
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