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post #201 of 1540
Funnily enough though....Blade has one of my least favorite FX shots in any film ever. One that I just despise. It's that shot of the fire flying down that hallway and over the vampires heads as Blade, Karen and Whistler are escaping towards the subway tunnel. It's a testament to how much I love the film when I can let a shot like that not bother me at all. It's so atrociously ugly lol. Blade has a handful of cruddy FX shots that haven't aged particularly well and that's the worst one to me but they just DO NOT matter when viewing the movie as a whole..
post #202 of 1540

Blade is a movie that 14-year-old Bart tried to sneak into, having bought a ticket for the Vanessa Williams's gamechanger Dance with Me, but got caught.

 

I ended up watching all of Dance with Me. 

post #203 of 1540
Ouch. There just had to have been SOMETHING else you could've bought a ticket for just in case you got caught because that's a pretty brutal one to have to sit through. Wasn't Mask of Zorro still there or something? Anything??
post #204 of 1540

Looks like Zorro came out July 17, so it was long gone.

 

The Avengers (no, not that one) came out August 14, 1998. I did, in fact, see that in theaters and regretted it, so I didn't want to risk that again.

 

In a month full of R-rated fare like Halloween: H20, Snake Eyes, How Stella Got Her Groove Back, and Dead Man on Campus, intrepid young Bart had few options. 

post #205 of 1540

No one remembers Spawn.

 

And I guess that's okay.

post #206 of 1540
I still do! I even watch it again every so often because of how my feelings on certain types of bad movies have changed over the years. I hated it 20 years ago because I expected a badass slick movie. Not one that was cruddy looking and that silly and stupid..
post #207 of 1540
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Funnily enough though....Blade has one of my least favorite FX shots in any film ever. One that I just despise. It's that shot of the fire flying down that hallway and over the vampires heads as Blade, Karen and Whistler are escaping towards the subway tunnel. It's a testament to how much I love the film when I can let a shot like that not bother me at all. It's so atrociously ugly lol. Blade has a handful of cruddy FX shots that haven't aged particularly well and that's the worst one to me but they just DO NOT matter when viewing the movie as a whole..

 

BLADE still works but it as a few scenes that suffer from absolutely atrocious (even for 1998) CGI.

post #208 of 1540

Blade is a movie that has a lot of swagger.

post #209 of 1540

This joke about Tolkien White Guys is terrific. Twitter at its best.

post #210 of 1540
What’s Blade? Is it the prequel to Blade Runner?
post #211 of 1540
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What’s Blade? Is it the prequel to Blade Runner?

post #212 of 1540

Blade 1 and 2 are awesome!

post #213 of 1540

Blade Trinity is remarkable only for 1) how fucking terrible it is and 2) you get to see Ryan Reynolds auditioning for Deadpool almost ten years before it was made.

post #214 of 1540
Blade: Trinity has one good non-Reynolds moment. Blade is being interviewed by a psychiatrist who asks him who’s the president, and Blade says, “AN ASSHOLE.”

Other than that, there’s a lot of unintentional hilarity.
post #215 of 1540

The best hilarity is reading up on the behind-the-scenes shenanigans with the movie, including Snipes being stoned to Jupiter for the entire filming.

post #216 of 1540
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Look, I wanna like this because I'm black and black power and all that, but it really looks like every other Marvel movie only with black people and more colorful set dressing.  I just can't get excited about my people becoming indoctrinated into the Marvel print shop.

 

Honestly it DOES look different from other Marvel Movies, and I have faith that Coogler will bring some "noise" to this film.

 

I'll say it tho: Wallace's hairdo: not workin for me. 

post #217 of 1540

"Freeman and Serkis are this movies Tolkien white guys."

 

 

-some dickhead on the internet. Thought that was hilarious.

post #218 of 1540
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Look, I wanna like this because I'm black and black power and all that, but it really looks like every other Marvel movie only with black people and more colorful set dressing.  I just can't get excited about my people becoming indoctrinated into the Marvel print shop.

 

(Ambler walks in the bar, sits down in the same table with a group of bitter, drunken Norwegians.)

 

"You too? Fittans Marvel, they should get Mjölnir'd up their arsehole. Skål, mig friend." 

 

(Ambler downs a skull-full of vodka, as the group sits in silence)

post #219 of 1540
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Look, I wanna like this because I'm black and black power and all that, but it really looks like every other Marvel movie only with black people and more colorful set dressing.  I just can't get excited about my people becoming indoctrinated into the Marvel print shop.

yeah...yeah.

post #220 of 1540
The entire conceit of Black Panther is a fascinating one in its relation to modern American race relations.

Most T’Challa origin stories involve a conflict with Klaw. Klaw is the son of a Nazi war criminal that tried to invade Wakanda to get its precious natural resource, Vibranium.

Except Wakanda is a technologically advanced civilization that resists Klaw’s imperialism. It’s basically a wishful-thinking rewriting of the entire history of Western Europe’s carving up of Africa leading to the slave trade.

The current comic writer Ta-Nehisi Coates has done a lot with this, and I’m sure he’s involved with the movie somehow. But the real question is does this kind of speculative fiction being applied to Africa’s history cheapen the real-life atrocities?
post #221 of 1540
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The entire conceit of Black Panther is a fascinating one in its relation to modern American race relations.

Most T’Challa origin stories involve a conflict with Klaw. Klaw is the son of a Nazi war criminal that tried to invade Wakanda to get its precious natural resource, Vibranium.

Except Wakanda is a technologically advanced civilization that resists Klaw’s imperialism. It’s basically a wishful-thinking rewriting of the entire history of Western Europe’s carving up of Africa leading to the slave trade.

The current comic writer Ta-Nehisi Coates has done a lot with this, and I’m sure he’s involved with the movie somehow. But the real question is does this kind of speculative fiction being applied to Africa’s history cheapen the real-life atrocities?
I don’t think it cheapens it any more than a comic book cover of Cap punching Hitler in the face or the Cinema Massacre in Inglorious Bastards or blowing up Nazis in Wolfenstein cheapen the Holocaust or WW2.
post #222 of 1540
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I don’t think it cheapens it any more than a comic book cover of Cap punching Hitler in the face or Cinema Massacre in Inglorious Bastards or blowing up Nazis in Wolfenstein cheapen the Holocaust or WW2.

Good point! But think about how Captain America: The First Avenger handles World War II. 

 

While in the comics Cap has been portrayed as being involved in pivotal events to the war, the movie has him specifically fighting Hydra in a secret mini-war. The later movies, especially the Smithsonian footage in Winter Soldier, do subtly imply he may have done more, like been at Normandy, but Marvel makes it a point to play that down. 

 

Inglorious Basterds is kind of an exception because Tarantino is specifically playing around with the power of cinema and the catharsis of rewriting history. It's no mistake that Ulmer and Donny infiltrate a movie theater that's playing a Nazi propaganda film that rewrites the events of Zoller's "heroic" battle with American troops. Tarantino's playing around with how popular narrative can overtake reality. 

 

Wolfenstein, sure. But fighting a Hitler with gatling gun hands is frigging sweet.

 

I'm just saying, Wakanda has always been portrayed as this isolationist country. It resists invasion, but has the question ever been asked why didn't they do more to help neighboring African countries? Usually I don't like this kind of lens to be used with my superhero movies (it's why Civil War bugs me), but it seems unavoidable when you drop a fictional powerful, utopian country into the heart of a continent's volatile history.

 

This would be a great time to allow some leeway between the movies and the TV shows, just so Luke Cage could show up and ask T'Challa, "So where was Wakanda the last 500 years?" 

post #223 of 1540
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I'm just saying, Wakanda has always been portrayed as this isolationist country. It resists invasion, but has the question ever been asked why didn't they do more to help neighboring African countries? Usually I don't like this kind of lens to be used with my superhero movies (it's why Civil War bugs me), but it seems unavoidable when you drop a fictional powerful, utopian country into the heart of a continent's volatile history.

This would be a great time to allow some leeway between the movies and the TV shows, just so Luke Cage could show up and ask T'Challa, "So where was Wakanda the last 500 years?" 
I think they’ll sidestep that by having T’Challa be the person advocating for/responsible for making Wakanda less isolated. So T’Challa’s entire struggle becomes an admission that they stayed isolated too long.

They also have a valid sci-if plot reason to fall back on: protecting the Vibranium.
post #224 of 1540

I'm intrigued how the movie will answer this question. It's clear that in Civil War and in here that Wakanda is introducing itself to the world stage, but the world has been aware of its existence, unlike, say, Themysciria in Wonder Woman. As far back as The First Avenger Cap's shield is made of Vibranium, so somehow some of it got out.

 

Also, kudos to Marvel for building up Black Panther so long. From said mention in The First Avenger to Klaw in Age of Ultron to Civil War to now, they've come a long way from clunky Hawkeye cameos in Thor. 

post #225 of 1540

I find it notable, though I'm not sure how, that both 'First MCU with a black lead' and the 'First DCU with a female lead' both set their origins in an isolated black utopia and an isolated female utopia, respectively. I look forward to reading someone else's essay on this, come February.

post #226 of 1540
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I find it notable, though I'm not sure how, that both 'First MCU with a black lead' and the 'First DCU with a female lead' both set their origins in an isolated black utopia and an isolated female utopia, respectively. I look forward to reading someone else's essay on this, come February.

Positive discrimination writ large?

post #227 of 1540

Some motherfuckers are always trying to ice skate uphill.

post #228 of 1540

....?

post #229 of 1540

Overlord just loves free food. And you look like seafood.

post #230 of 1540
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Overlord just loves free food. And you look like seafood.

 

That lyric irritates me.  Logically, "free food" and "seafood" should be reversed given the context of the scene.  

 

DID YOU LIKE THE SONG?

post #231 of 1540
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That lyric irritates me.  Logically, "free food" and "seafood" should be reversed given the context of the scene.
This is 150% correct.
post #232 of 1540

I have no idea what the fuck any of you are talking about. 

 

Also, I hate seafood.

post #233 of 1540

Get the hook.

post #234 of 1540
I would've also said what a terrible performance.
post #235 of 1540

Don't you have toothy vags to write about?

post #236 of 1540
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I have no idea what the fuck any of you are talking about. 

 

Also, I hate seafood.

YOU CAN'T RUN FROM ME!

 

oh, you can ...you keep surprising me...

post #237 of 1540
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Don't you have toothy vags to write about?

Always.
post #238 of 1540

I can't believe this didn't occur to me sooner: a Disney/Fox buyout would mean Storm is available as a possible love interest/female in a Black Panther sequel.  Yes please!

post #239 of 1540
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I can't believe this didn't occur to me sooner: a Disney/Fox buyout would mean Storm is available as a possible love interest in a Black Panther sequel.  Yes please!

Yes, yes. A thousand times yes.
post #240 of 1540
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I can't believe this didn't occur to me sooner: a Disney/Fox buyout would mean Storm is available as a possible love interest/female in a Black Panther sequel.  Yes please!

Even better: We could actually see a T´Challa led Avengers defend wakanda from the forces of Marvel's other great ruler: DR. DOOM. 

post #241 of 1540
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I can't believe this didn't occur to me sooner: a Disney/Fox buyout would mean Storm is available as a possible love interest/female in a Black Panther sequel.  Yes please!

 

Fuck it. Ignore all my previous reservations about a shared universe and mutants not working, if this becomes possible. Worth it.

post #242 of 1540

How you gonna introduce a bunch of mutants and assorted other characters, fully grown, into a world where they simply have not existed up until that point?

 

Probably some Fantastic Four interdimensional fuckery, I guess. Which would be a huge, inescapable mistake.

post #243 of 1540
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How you gonna introduce a bunch of mutants and assorted other characters, fully grown, into a world where they simply have not existed up until that point?

 

Probably some Fantastic Four interdimensional fuckery, I guess. Which would be a huge, inescapable mistake.

High Evolutionary kickstarts human evolution in response to Thanos's invasion.

Side Effect from the Infinity Gauntlet conflict.

They have always existed, but most of them are in hiding in the Savage Land with Magneto's brotherhood or undercover with Xavier and his X-men, also, they are very few and have just started to have their powers emerge (since mutant gene becomes active at puberty, you could make a whole film about a sudden mutant boom in the MCU and being revealed to the public worldwide)

 

Plenty of ways it could be done.

post #244 of 1540

I've had an idea I've been floating around in the Marvel Cinematic Universe thread. I keep poking at it, but today I've been thinking about Y: The Last Man.

 

In that, suddenly all the men (except one guy) on Earth die. By the end of the series lots of ideas are floated as to why this happened, but one theory put forward is a kind of "spontaneous, instantaneous evolution" resulting from cloning. The series opens with a woman cloning her own daughter, and a character by the end argues that nature reacted to this by deciding men weren't necessary anymore.

 

So I'd throw out that Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver, circa 2014 (or earlier, since Homecoming kinda fudged with the timeline a bit), were created via the Mind Gem, and nature responds by jumping man forward a step. In that way, you could say mutants have actually starting popping up for the last five+ years (by the time an X-Men movie comes out). 

 

Although you'd want to leave room for there to already have been a few mutants around, like Apocalypse and Wolverine. But even in the comics their manifesting so long ago is a fluke, and the mutant baby boom is a modern thing.

post #245 of 1540
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I can't believe this didn't occur to me sooner: a Disney/Fox buyout would mean Storm is available as a possible love interest/female in a Black Panther sequel.  Yes please!


Too bad Lupita's already playing a different character.

post #246 of 1540
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Even better: We could actually see a T´Challa led Avengers defend wakanda from the forces of Marvel's other great ruler: DR. DOOM. 

A Latveria/Wakanda war would have so many story opportunities. I would love to see that.
post #247 of 1540
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I can't believe this didn't occur to me sooner: a Disney/Fox buyout would mean Storm is available as a possible love interest/female in a Black Panther sequel.  Yes please!

 

http://comicbook.com/marvel/2016/05/13/alexandra-shipp-wants-a-storm-and-black-panther-crossover-movie

 

 

Alexandra Shipp just might get her wish fulfilled. 

post #248 of 1540

Quite aside from it being really not that good a ship (in the comics, it was literally "let's put our most popular male black character and our most popular female black character together just cuz"), there is the small matter of a literal 15 year age difference between the two. (And Shipp is playing even younger!)

post #249 of 1540
So is Alexandra Shipp the most appropriately-surnamed person ever, or what?
post #250 of 1540
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Quite aside from it being really not that good a ship (in the comics, it was literally "let's put our most popular male black character and our most popular female black character together just cuz"), there is the small matter of a literal 15 year age difference between the two. (And Shipp is playing even younger!)


 



The Black Panther and Storm relationship wasn't as basic in concept as you make it sound, and it's origin is pretty old. Not that long after Storm was created in fact. Chris Claremont and John Byrne did a story in 1980 that established that Storm and Black Panther knew each other as children (both lived and travelled across Africa and their paths crossed). It was established that they spent a lot of time together and had a mutual childhood crush thing that only they never quite consumated. The Byrne/Claremont story made it clear that they had romantic feelings towards each other.

So when they were fully turned into a couple that became married a few decades later, it didn't come out of nowhere. I'd have been annoyed at them hooking up like that if Black Panther hadn't been written into Storm's past not long after she was created.

Shipp is not only too young for Boseman's Panther, i'm pretty certain Marvel will recast almost all the X--Men if they get the rights back from Fox. Ryan Reynolds could survive (his character is very meta/fourth wall, so it makes sense that he'd provide commentery on everything from his original Fox universe changing except his corner).
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