Film Script Analysis - Page 12
Everyone here knows that my idea of entertainment is THE MAN FROM U.N.C.L.E.'s sandwich scene.
Classic Bond's conflict is very external.
Thing is, Cap has the least dramatic arc in the film (at least as released, where his 'man out of time' situation is minimized). Sure, he gets disillusioned when he finds out that SHIELD is secretly using Hydra tech, but that pales in comparison to the challenges depicted for Black Widow, Hulk, and Thor.
A question I've been asking myself is, are character arcs necessary? I recently watched White Line Fever and the hero is pretty much the same guy throughout. He reacts more and more extremely in response to more and more extreme opposition, but that's it.
That's a good point about Marty. The movie sort of suggests that his character is improved through his experience, growng to understand and respect his parents, but in fact he just changes them out for better ones.
But even with all that fame and glory, he still needs to get back to 1985 and when he does he's happy ("Wow, ah Red, you look great. Everything looks great."). Of course, this is undercut by the fact that he has to get back to 1985 or he'll erase himself from existence, and that when he does get back to 1985 it's a new, super-idealized version.
But the arc is still there.
And the arc of The Avengers isn't for the individuals, but for the group. They learn how to work as a team.
Thor gets a pretty solid moment of truth after he's been dumped in that field and has that look where he's doubting if he's still worthy to lift Mjolnir.
I didn't mention Hawkeye's mind-control plot because it's kind of boring.
I mean, Bradito's incredibly boring point that Cap, Tony and Thor don't change is really wrong, because the movie flat-out spells out Tony's arc by having Cap and Tony discuss the value of sacrifice.
And then Tony learns the value of sacrifice.
But that's part of my point about teamwork.
So, what's Fincher really complaining about? Did he even want to make a Marvel movie at some point, or did Marvel even ask him? There isn't a lot in his body of work to suggest superheroes are in his wheelhouse.
To go along with the ideas the video went into, I think Fincher is complaining less about such-and-such structure and more about the details/variations within that structure when it comes to superhero movies (not just Marvel). And when it comes to superhero movies, there can be a lot of variations in superficial dressings, but the overall trajectory of them is going to be fairly limited to "heroes overcoming the villains by the end".
Just looking at Fincher's filmography, you know he's not interested in being confined to that. The closest he's come to making something like that I can think of is... PANIC ROOM? But even with that movie, he looks for ways to defy the usual comfort that such stories provide.
That said, for someone who isn't into formula, Fincher used a very formulaic method to diss the same-iness of superhero movies!
"I DON'T COTTON TO HOLLYWOOD'S FORMULAIC THREE ACTSssssss!!!"
I don't think he's criticizing marvel movies for NOT reinventing narrative structure.
He's just saying the kinds of stories that marvel tells are very limited for his tastes.
I'm sure he has no problem with making films at a studio (outside of his experience with alien3woof!).
He's at least more polite about it than Iñárritu!
But superhero movies are too samey!
and it's not as if Fincher hasn't made OSCAR-BAIT before!
that's another genre that's often a punching bag!
Superhero movies are a really convenient target... probably because nobody regularly asks directors like Fincher if they're gonna be directing one of these super successful spy, assassin, former hitman, government agent, independent intelligence officer, maverick lawyer, oscar-bait true story etc etc etc when they're out promoting something else.
Those never really feel specific enough to FEEL like they're taking over the mainstream movie landscape. Particularly when it comes to the marble cinnamon universe, which has become its own thing that everyone else has stumbled in trying to chase. And now they're at a point where they're releasing three movies a year, with all the omnipresent marketing blitz that comes with it.
All the other genre fare listed above don't get that kind of push very often anymore.
I wonder what him taking over on World War Z2 is going to be like...
No used to about it!
Here's a massive post I wrote five days ago about Valerian and Dune: http://www.chud.com/community/t/159488/valerian-and-the-city-of-a-thousand-planets-2017-post-release-thread/150#post_4460573
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