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post #651 of 886
To be fair to poor old boring Mummy Returns, almost all Mummy movies involve the modern-day characters in a reincarnation plot device.
post #652 of 886
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Originally Posted by wd40 View Post
 

I remember being bored to tears for Mummy Returns, but not much else. The only thing about the second movie that I remember vividly is some terrible scene with a hot air balloon.

 

I can forgive the hot air balloon stuff because I can see how it came to be.  They obviously plotted out how they wanted the finale to go (with all of the oasis getting sucked in to the Scorpion King pyramid).  That's a solid ending in terms of spectacle.  Once you commit to that, you have to figure out how to get our heroes out of that predicament.  For the tech that is supposedly available at that time period, having a balloon rescue them is really the only way to go.  Working backwards from that ending, you can see why they'd make the balloon integral to the story.

 

Most of the balloon sequences don't work (and the pilot's recurring gag about 'getting shot' runs thin), but they don't sink the film for me.  Not anymore.

post #653 of 886

I was gonna rewatch STEVE JOBS today.

 

Now I'm thinking I might spin that first MUMMY. 

post #654 of 886

I can forgive the reincarnation angle in MUMMY RETURNS because it necessitated Rachel Weisz training her ass of for the combat sequences, resulting in absolute PEAK WEISZ.

post #655 of 886

Then again, what do I know.  I dug the hell out of VAN HELSING when I watched it a few months ago.

post #656 of 886

I'm like the one person who prefers MUMMY RETURNS to MUMMY. 

post #657 of 886
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I'm like the one person who prefers MUMMY RETURNS to MUMMY. 

 

It's the PEAK WEISZ factor, isn't it?

post #658 of 886
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It's the PEAK WEISZ factor, isn't it?

 

Yes. I also like the plot slightly better. I'm not a huge fan of that whole sequence in the first where the Mummy is picking off dudes. 

 

Also, pygmy mummies. 

post #659 of 886

The first film wins for that scene where Rick throws a chair at Beni.  Still one of those small, incidental moments that kills me every time.

 

post #660 of 886
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Originally Posted by Boone Daniels View Post
 

 

Yes. I also like the plot slightly better. I'm not a huge fan of that whole sequence in the first where the Mummy is picking off dudes. 

 

Also, pygmy mummies. 


The pygmy mummies are fun, as is the double-decker bus sequence. Besides, Mummy Returns gave us the best-directed film scene of all time:

 

post #661 of 886
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Originally Posted by Judas Booth View Post
 

Then again, what do I know.  I dug the hell out of VAN HELSING when I watched it a few months ago.

 

You're such an awesome guy I'm just going to pretend I didn't read that.

 

 

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The first film wins for that scene where Rick throws a chair at Beni.  Still one of those small, incidental moments that kills me every time.

 

YES! It's a big reason the first film really holds up. There are TONS of these little elements and moments that give the movie energy and oodles of rewatch value.

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YES! It's a big reason the first film really holds up. There are TONS of these little elements and moments that give the movie energy and oodles of rewatch value.

 

Kevin J. O'Connor is so good as Beni.  He's really missed in the sequel.  He's used perfectly in that first film...just enough to be funny without being annoying.

post #663 of 886

Fuck it, I'm watching these. 

 

I HAVEN'T EVEN SEEN THREE! 

post #664 of 886

I'd recommend keeping it that way.

post #665 of 886
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Fuck it, I'm watching these. 

 

I HAVEN'T EVEN SEEN THREE! 

 

Do me a favor: watch VAN HELSING after you finish the first two MUMMY movies.  I'm curious how it plays for you.

post #666 of 886

I feel like I've seen huge chunks of Van Helsing on cable. I've also lived through the Great Chud Van Helsing War of 2003-2004. 

post #667 of 886
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I've also lived through the Great Chud Van Helsing War of 2003-2004. 

 

I missed this!  Was it epic?

post #668 of 886

Looking back, lo these many years later, it was not our finest hour on many levels. 

post #669 of 886

It's a mirror we must gaze into if we are to truly understand ourselves.

post #670 of 886

*goes to look for the Van Helsing thread*

post #671 of 886
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*goes to look for the Van Helsing thread*

 

That place is strong with the dark side of the boards. A domain of evil it is.

post #672 of 886

I've located three big threads about it.

 

Someone come look for me if you don't hear from me in a while.

post #673 of 886

I dabbled in the thread.

 

I suspect that I would have hated it in the movie theater where the overload would have been, quite simply, too much.  'Too many notes', as it were.  Watching it on my TV, the thing worked.  The ending is indeed lame with the whole Beckinsale/cloud thing, and the script and plotting both have some serious issues, but the thing has a flow (or momentum) to it that works for me.  I also 'got' what Roxburgh was going for with his Dracula, so that didn't bother me.

 

This still shouldn't have been VAN HELSING, though.  This should have been THE VAMPIRE starring Rick and Evie, keeping those characters going as they do their own shared universe of Universal Monster movies.

post #674 of 886

I think the big thing for me about that thread/that topic in retrospect, and I really don't want to derail this or get on my SJW soapbox, but looking back, a lot of us, myself included, were very, very, very unnecessarily cruel to the poster who was very into that movie and Richard Roxburgh*, and I sometimes wonder why we had to be that cruel. 

*We've been watching RAKE on Netflix and it's excellent. Totally turned me around on him. 

post #675 of 886
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I've located three big threads about it.

 

Someone come look for me if you don't hear from me in a while.

 

I'm going to lure him back from the darkness with some PEAK WEISZ.

post #676 of 886

I don't know what's more amusing: this extended bickering over the Mummy franchise or an entire page on the Trumpocalypse Now thread devoted to James Woods' dirty old man reputation.

post #677 of 886

It's a good day to derail. The Box Office thread is arguing about The Goonies.

post #678 of 886

CHUD: Come for the insight. Stay for the franchise bickering and celebrity dirt.

post #679 of 886
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It's a good day to derail. The Box Office thread is arguing about The Goonies.

 

hahaha what

post #680 of 886

I was going to say "at least nobody's brought up TDKR yet" but then someone posted Bane in the Trump threrad.

post #681 of 886

It's actually funny that I'm watching THE MUMMY at the moment, since the thing I read last night for one of my classes focused on how library/information science and archival studies have been devalued throughout history by "the academy" because they're seen as professional, skill-based work and not intellectually rigorous like the social sciences "are." And that, in turn, stems from the fact that those fields of archival work and library science have been predominately filled by women throughout their history, and that this gender-based bias has played no small part in its de-evaluation as a field of study. 

 

Just like Evie is at the beginning at THE MUMMY. 

post #682 of 886
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I was going to say "at least nobody's brought up TDKR yet" but then someone posted Bane in the Trump threrad.

 

It wasn't me!

post #683 of 886
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I was going to say "at least nobody's brought up TDKR yet" but then someone posted Bane in the Trump threrad.

 

It wasn't me!

 

FRAAAAIIID

post #684 of 886
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Originally Posted by Boone Daniels View Post
 

It's actually funny that I'm watching THE MUMMY at the moment, since the thing I read last night for one of my classes focused on how library/information science and archival studies have been devalued throughout history by "the academy" because they're seen as professional, skill-based work and not intellectually rigorous like the social sciences "are." And that, in turn, stems from the fact that those fields of archival work and library science have been predominately filled by women throughout their history, and that this gender-based bias has played no small part in its de-evaluation as a field of study. 

 

Just like Evie is at the beginning at THE MUMMY. 

 

I can't cite the author but this was pulled from a blog (not mine):
 

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I’ve seen a handful of comments like this and I just wanted to address it because I think it’s worth talking about. I realise my summation of the film is flippant; it was an attempt at irony because obviously the movie is full of gruesome death and dismemberment, and I fully agree that Evie is terrorized. But that’s not what the film is about. It’s not about Evie the human sacrifice - that’s something that happens to her but it isn’t who she is.

 

The point is, the whole plot of The Mummy literally could not happen without Evie pursuing the thing that she loves.

 

They go out to Hamunaptra because Evie is passionate about knowledge and discovery, and when they get there she is in her element - she is loving every minute of it and she is proud of herself and she is absolutely going to kiss Mr O’Connell. But once that thirst for knowledge and discovery inadvertantly raises Imhotep, and there is literally fire and brimstone raining from the sky, and everyone else is running and hiding, she never ever once despairs. She accepts responsibility, she owns her mistake and she refuses to believe there is nothing to be done. She follows her passions again and decides that more knowledge and more discovery is what’s required. And she’s right. She finds the answer and she takes triumphant pleasure in proving to herself that she is a greater scholar than the ones at Bembridge, the ones who have repeatedly found her lacking.

 

Do you realise how rare it is for a female character’s intellectual pursuit to be the thing that kicks off the action and the thing that saves the day, AND a source of ultimate joy in her life?

When Imhotep comes for her she goes without a fight, to save her companions’ lives, because she knows that’s the best chance they have. When Rick and Jonathan and Ardeth come to save her she is pivotal in her own rescue. She is never a Damsel, she is always part of the team.

 

And then Evie SAVES THE WORLD. She saves the world by doing the thing that she loves and is good at. She saves the world, she gets the guy, and they ride off into the sunset with some treasure. And really, that’s a pretty good end to a day.

post #685 of 886

Caught me posting Bane GIFs

(It wasn't me)

Saw me quoting "I'm FBI"

(It wasn't me)

I even mocked Tom Hardy 

(It wasn't me)

Even caught nooj repping

(It wasn't me)

post #686 of 886

 I've always liked The Mummy. Its a fun adventure movie with a colorful cast of characters. Yeah it takes its cues from Raiders of the Lost Ark, but if you're going to steal, steal from the best. Besides, Raiders was heavily influenced by the serials from the 30s.

 

  The problem with The Mummy Returns is that it replaced the fun with CGI. I do love the shot of the pygmy mummies running with the stick of dynamite.

post #687 of 886
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Originally Posted by MichaelM View Post
 

 

I can't cite the author but this was pulled from a blog (not mine):
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I was going to say "And then they go and ruin it with some reincarnation bullshit", but we uh did that already.  Pays to read back.

 

 

 

Moving right along.

 

This might be a little too soon.  I don't know.  But... The Hobbit: an Unnecessary trilogy

 

I didn't really have much interest in these but I felt I'm not a movie nerd if I don't check them out at some point.  Initially I found them the sort of mixed bag that lots of people have found them as well.  Partly because of that and partly because of time and concentration constraints I ended up watching it all like a nine hour series, rather than a trilogy of really long movies.   The bloated excess is still there of course, but it is so much easier to take.  The end result of pacing it out  was I found the Middle Earth romanticism resonated in a, dare I say it, unexpected way.

There's enough magical vistas and verdant glades and so forth to stick in the mind.  The short version is that, even though it is adding grit and action that seems to be there to line it up with LoTR and 'event cinema' generally, there's this funny mythological quality to it as well.  Like this was an exaggerated retelling of an already exaggerated tale.

 

I don't know if that was really the philosophy at work in the films or entirely a product of the semi distracted and detached viewing I was giving them, but I found it worked quite well.

I'm going to give it another try one day/week and see if it holds.

post #688 of 886

In The Mummy, Rachel Weisz is apparently supposed to be half-English, half-Egyptian. Huh. 

post #689 of 886
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Originally Posted by Boone Daniels View Post
 

In The Mummy, Rachel Weisz is apparently supposed to be half-English, half-Egyptian. Huh. 

 

Yep. In the first film it's fine, it's whatever. But it gets really weird in the second where we have flashbacks of a very English Weisz in full Egyptian garb playing an Egyptian princess.

post #690 of 886

Leave Rachel alone!

 

post #691 of 886
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Originally Posted by MichaelM View Post
 

 

a very English Weisz in full Egyptian garb

 

I fail to see the problem here.

 

Going into serious mode: CLOUD ATLAS emphasized the fact that people play different races in different time periods.  The fact that people were made up to look Asian or African American (or other) got lambasted by a lot of people who missed the point.  I'm not sure if it would have helped in this situation to really go for it in terms of making Rachel look more Egyptian in terms of features or skin tone OR if it would have drawn similar outrage.

 

Also, part of the charm of CLOUD ATLAS is that, while the actors are made up to have different ethnic backgrounds, you can usually still make out who the actor is...that's the point.  In MUMMY RETURNS, it's essential that you understand that Nefertiri IS Evie.  There can't be any confusion on this.  As such, you have to keep her in English mode.

post #692 of 886

I wasn't bashing on the movie. I'm still watching it - it's a lot of fun, and I forgot how gory/gross it is for a PG-13 (SALT ACID BRO). But I just thought it was interesting given the whole "whitewashing" conversation we've been having. 

post #693 of 886

I was far less lefty/progressive* back when MUMMY RETURNS was released and it bugged me then. But really, it was the retconning of the reincarnation stuff that just bugs me. Yeah, I know it was in previous Mummy films. For RETURNS it just feels, for me, like an unneeded complication that really adds nothing to the film.

 

However, I'm with Judas on appreciating RW in the outfit.
 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

*Like mostly not at all.

post #694 of 886
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Originally Posted by Boone Daniels View Post
 

I wasn't bashing on the movie. I'm still watching it - it's a lot of fun, and I forgot how gory/gross it is for a PG-13 (SALT ACID BRO). But I just thought it was interesting given the whole "whitewashing" conversation we've been having. 

 

The acid stuff isn't any worse than Toht's face melting in RAIDERS.

 

For me, the really unnerving stuff in THE MUMMY was the whole bit where Imhotep's priests are mummified alive.  Knowing what they're going through (with the whole red hot poker up the nose and so forth) makes me squirm.

post #695 of 886

The entire finale for THE MUMMY is just so great, and that includes the different types of mummies Imhotep brings back. There's some wonky FX with the pond but otherwise it's great.

 

(Also, since we're talking about this movie: it took me forever to figure out why Imhotep raises the knife to Anak-soona-whatevs.)

post #696 of 886
Let's be real here: Deep Rising >>>>>>>>>> all Mummy movies.
post #697 of 886

Ugh.

post #698 of 886
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Let's be real here: Deep Rising >>>>>>>>>> all Mummy movies.

 

post #699 of 886
One thing that I doubt a rewatch would clear up (though I'm getting around to that soon) is, especially given the reincarnation gobbledygook in The Mummy Returns, why Imhotep mistakes Evie for Anack-Soo-Na-Mun(sp?) in the first Mummy..
post #700 of 886

It's also really fun to say ANUK SUN AMOON.

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