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post #601 of 798
I had to have a Don Siegel film in my draft and whilst his partnership with Eastwood birthed the most famous of his films this decade, including a couple yet to be picked that could have fitted what I am going for, I wanted to pick The Shootist. It's a very well directed, acted and written film - unapologetically conventional in some ways - slow paced and elegiac without resorting to saccharine sentimentality. It operates deliberately as both the story of a passing of an age and a signing off by one of the century's most iconic actors and a defining star of the western genre.

My overarching theme this draft has been to look at how filmmakers in the 1970s approached period filmmaking, and oftentimes it was through a revisionist lens, a contemporaneous perspective that tried to place the past in the context of the present and the future. The Shootist does no such thing. It's a swan song, plain and simple, with Stewart and Bacall acting as officiants at a celebration and commemoration of a character, a style, an actor, and in the final moments, a philosophy of righteous violence and moral certainty that runs through a great deal of Wayne's work. You may not agree with the perspective Siegel is honouring here but the authenticity, skill and respectfulness with which Siegel, Wayne, Stewart, Bacall and Howard carry out their task is a fine a memorial to the old fashioned Western as I can think of.
post #602 of 798
I'm behind on Siegel but I've loved everything I have seen from him. Varrick is high on my list (it even served as inspiration for Breaking Bad).
post #603 of 798
It's a brilliant, underrated film, and further evidence of Matthau's incredible range.
post #604 of 798

Re: The Honeymoon Killers - I remember reading about this movie in Danny Peary's Cult Movies book. One day it came on IFC, and I was enthralled by the off-kilter docudrama style of the thing. Shirley Stoler and Tony Lobianco are excellent as the title couple. 

This would be the only film Leonard Kastle directed. He took over when he decided the original director he hired was too "arty." That director? Martin Scorsese.

EDIT: Have we done a Matthau knockout?

post #605 of 798

Matthau knows how to sell "We are so screwed" better than anyone in VARRICK. Another fine Siegel-directed performance from Andy Robinson to boot.

post #606 of 798

The best part about Charley Varrick is that Matthau is irresistible to the ladies in it. It's like watching Matthau as James Bond (which I guess is also Hopscotch?).

 

Can you imagine Eastwood in the lead like they originally planned?

post #607 of 798
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What would make it less confusing? It's bonus, so it's pretty flexible. Just thought it might be fun to mix things up, and I thought the "free-for-all/end of the draft" rules were pretty standard. :)

 

I actually like the concept, but if it was not clearly a part of the rules from the start (and if it was, I don't seem to be the only one who missed it), then throwing that curveball out on the last day, combined with the free-for-all nature of the bonus round not having a set time to commence, means that the first person out of the gate would be able to nab Boogie Nights and Zodiac, while some shmuck who wanders in 20 minutes later would be confused by the new rules and picking between Detroit Rock City and the 3rd season of That 70's Show.

 

On a related tip, not that I'm advocating changing it for this one, but having 2 bonus picks just seems like it should be called a sixth round.  It's not like those picks are treated differently in any tangible way.

post #608 of 798
Thread Starter 

All decent points. I was more swamped at work than I would have liked, so I didn't have time to really think out the bonus round. I've liked that past drafts have gotten a little more creative in the bonus, so I was trying to come up with a similar idea, but didn't hit on this one until this morning. I had toyed with having people draft a living 70s icon to host their film festival/draft, but wasn't sure about that one.

 

I think the idea of it being a bonus round comes from the fact that everyone goes at once, rather than waiting their turn. But like others have said - there are no rules!!

 

Period piece draft's a neat idea, tho. 

post #609 of 798
Good pick, Judas.

Another stealth winner of the 70s: Michael Ritchie.
post #610 of 798
Thread Starter 

It's so fascinating to track some of the careers of these directors - they went on these phenomenal runs throughout the 70s, and then hit the 80s and just collapsed. Michael Ritchie, for example. 

post #611 of 798
MURDER BY DEATH is a film I remember fondly but which I've been avoiding revisiting due to fear that the conceit will be better than the execution.
post #612 of 798
Thread Starter 

Some stats through round 4. 

 

1973 is in the lead with 21 films. Altman has the most films drafted, followed by Allen, Coppola, and Scorsese with 4 each. 

post #613 of 798

Well, I'm pretty much drafting fond remembrances, so Murder by Death fits nicely!

 

I remember the first time I saw it, there was a tag at the end where all the detectives are leaving and they drive past Holmes and Watson on their way to the mansion themselves.  Then the next few times (when it was on cable), it wasn't there, I thought maybe I had just imagined it.  But turns out it was a deleted scene that only ever aired during broadcasts.

 

And goddamn that cast.  Sellars' Charlie Chan riff is terribly problematic today (hell, it probably wasn't that good an idea back in the mid-70s), but he arguably gets the best line in the film ("Yes, killed good weekend").  

post #614 of 798
It's late enough that I don't think I'm giving away ideas, but a true aficionado could have killed it with a 70s kung-fu themed draft.
post #615 of 798
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Well, I'm pretty much drafting fond remembrances, so Murder by Death fits nicely!

 

I remember the first time I saw it, there was a tag at the end where all the detectives are leaving and they drive past Holmes and Watson on their way to the mansion themselves.  Then the next few times (when it was on cable), it wasn't there, I thought maybe I had just imagined it.  But turns out it was a deleted scene that only ever aired during broadcasts.

 

And goddamn that cast.  Sellars' Charlie Chan riff is terribly problematic today (hell, it probably wasn't that good an idea back in the mid-70s), but he arguably gets the best line in the film ("Yes, killed good weekend").  


"I said TURN AROUND!"

"Yes, Sam."
"Good...cause I think.... I'm gonna cry."

 

It's a bit of a mess, but it's got some damn funny gags, helped by a very game cast.

post #616 of 798

Family Plot was definitely not the Hitch I thought would go.

post #617 of 798
Thread Starter 

I saw Robin and Marian on a list and was like "wait, how has that not gone?" 

post #618 of 798
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It's late enough that I don't think I'm giving away ideas, but a true aficionado could have killed it with a 70s kung-fu themed draft.

 

Shut up....

post #619 of 798
Pat Garrett/Billy the Kid is another I've been dying to see.
post #620 of 798

I had so many that could have gone today, but I like the pairing of Robin and Marian and Pat Garrett & Billy the Kid. They have such a air of almost comforting melancholy about them. Legends whose time has past, but they've got to stick around anyways.

 

"It feels like... times have changed."

"Times, maybe. Not me."

post #621 of 798

Charley Varrick is easily my favorite pick so far today. Matthau is stone cold in a way he never was before or after that. I'd kill to get Shout! Factory give that a proper release that isn't the dogshit fullscreen DVD it's been cursed with for years.

post #622 of 798
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Pat Garrett/Billy the Kid is another I've been dying to see.

 

Like most 70's Peckinpah, it's a gem.

post #623 of 798
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It's late enough that I don't think I'm giving away ideas, but a true aficionado could have killed it with a 70s kung-fu themed draft.

 

I'll comment further later on tonight once the draft is done, but I could have easily done a Kung Fu draft and even considered doing so for a while.  The problem is, I wouldn't have been competing against anyone, and half of the fun of these drafts is the GOD DAMMIT YOU ASSHOLE I WANTED THAT FILM factor.

post #624 of 798

Love, love, love both the MURDER BY DEATH and CAPRICORN ONE picks.  Both are/were childhood favorites.  

post #625 of 798

Pat Garret is a great western, though it understandably gets overshadowed by The Wild Bunch in Peckinpah's oeuvre.

post #626 of 798

Like DELIVERANCE, HARDCORE is one where one scene has been fodder for humor for so long that you forget it's an honest to God engrossing film. Great pick-up.

post #627 of 798
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Pat Garrett & Billy the Kid.

 

70's Kris had a presence I've been trying to pull off most of my adult life.

post #628 of 798
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Like DELIVERANCE, HARDCORE is one where one scene has been fodder for humor for so long that you forget it's an honest to God engrossing film. Great pick-up.

 

The last 20 minutes when hell breaks loose are a doozy.

 

In terms of nihilism, it's the closest to Taxi Driver that Schrader ever got to nihilism again.

post #629 of 798

Keep waiting for Twilight Time to have one of their sales so I can get the new blu.

post #630 of 798

I think HARDCORE is the great THE SEARCHERS riff. Ending is double shot of devastating.

post #631 of 798
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Family Plot was definitely not the Hitch I thought would go.


You really made me nervous here, man.

post #632 of 798
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Keep waiting for Twilight Time to have one of their sales so I can get the new blu.

 

There's a region-free UK edition forthcoming that will likely be better and a more reasonable buy.

post #633 of 798
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Charley Varrick is easily my favorite pick so far today. Matthau is stone cold in a way he never was before or after that. I'd kill to get Shout! Factory give that a proper release that isn't the dogshit fullscreen DVD it's been cursed with for years.

 

DVR'd it when TCM played it a while back. It's not going anywhere til we get that proper release.

post #634 of 798
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You really made me nervous here, man.

 

HA, yeah, I figured Frenzy would be the go-to Hitchcock out of the two.

post #635 of 798

Speaking of proper releases: holy grail is a restored PHASE IV.

post #636 of 798
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There's a region-free UK edition forthcoming that will likely be better and a more reasonable buy.

 

Thanks! Hadn't heard about that.

post #637 of 798

PHASE IV was on tv all the time in the early 80s, usually on Saturday mornings.  I probably watched it 10 times, no lie.  Good memories.

post #638 of 798

Walkabout is a bona-fide steal.

post #639 of 798
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Walkabout is a bona-fide steal.

That's, what, the 3rd Roeg film? Another under-the-radar director who made a surprising amount of masterpieces.

post #640 of 798

I consider HARDCORE a Paul Schrader masterpiece - and his most personal film. George C. Scott is brilliant in it, but performance to savor is Season Hubley's. Ending is a double gut punch because of her arc - forgotten by Scott, and abandoned and left behind in hell. It's heartbreaking + devastating.

 

George C. Scott post-PATTON is a fascinating decade run. He made some wild at times bizarre choices. HARDCORE and THE CHANGELING back to back is an awesome climax to this movie star period.

post #641 of 798

Walkabout is pretty amazing.  I avoided it because I had already taken a Roeg picture, and I drafted it in the previous 70s draft, but I'm glad it was represented again.

 

My approach for the draft was just to pick films that related to each other in some way on each day.  I felt like trying to find connective tissue across ten different films, with great choices being knocked off right and left, would be an exercise in futility.  (And genre drafts are great, but I tend to save those for the actual genre drafts themselves.)

post #642 of 798

I initially flirted with idea of going all Blaxploitation/ Black themed Cinema.

 

COFFY is magnificent. Here's a taste if you haven't seen it:

 

 

 

"This is the end of your rotten life, you motherfuckin' dope pusher!"

post #643 of 798
DERSU UZALA is very good. Only reason it was still on the board was because I drafted it last 70s draft.
post #644 of 798
Thread Starter 

Big Wednesday is off the table, as it was already drafted this round. Pick another, Elvis. 

post #645 of 798

Coffy's really great. Pam Grier . . . gosh.

post #646 of 798

I respect what ROCKY HORROR means to people, and it's a powerful, inclusive and joyful audience experience, but PHANTOM OF THE PARADISE is my ROCKY HORROR. It's everything I thought that film would be.

post #647 of 798

Aside from American Graffiti (which is too good not to take), I've tried to stay away from films I picked last time.  Most of them got picked though.

post #648 of 798

Don't know how many folks have seen THE OUTFIT. Wanted it with VARRICK today so I could do a "Movies where the mob is ripped off that co-star Joe Don Baker" twin bill.

post #649 of 798

I was doing a Hallenbeck jig that my ideal finale BIG WEDNESDAY slipped through. Completely missed the pick. Talk about a gut shot. Sorry for mix up.

post #650 of 798
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Don't know how many folks have seen THE OUTFIT. Wanted it with VARRICK today so I could do a "Movies where the mob is ripped off that co-star Joe Don Baker" twin bill.

Added it to my rapidly growing viewing list. I'm off next Monday, so hoping to catch up with a lot this weekend.

Investigation of a Citizen Above Suspicion is really good. Easily my favorite acclaimed super-misogynistic Italian film of the 70s. 

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