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post #101 of 310

There was actually a comic book one-shot, called The Devil's Eyes, released after H20 that had Laurie dressing up as Michael. She gets tracked down by Tommy Doyle, and she kills him and then ends up in Smith's Grove.

 

Although certainly an idea (I remember every single Scream sequel people wanted Sidney to turn out to be the killer), middle-aged Jamie Lee Curtis isn't really that imposing...  

post #102 of 310
Calling it now. She's got a son (may/may not be Hartnett's character....I'm leaning towards not) and a daughter. The movie will pull the whole "is it Laurie? Is she crazy?" thing...but then it'll end up being her son who's the new vessel for The Shape. The end will involve JLC trying to stop her son from killing his older sister because he thinks he's his uncle reincarnated..
post #103 of 310

Ugh, sure hope not. That's basically treading the same ground as Halloween 4, although 5 certainly chickened out on following through with it.

 

I've always appreciated how H20 just throws you into Laurie's status quo. It's been exactly 20 years and it's a major plot point that John is 17, so I guess Laurie didn't stay the girl scout for long. And it's implied John's dad is some sleazy traveling businessman, so I guess Laurie didn't end up with poor concussed Jimmy in that continuity. 

post #104 of 310

So if they are able to bring Laurie Strode back, does that mean they can bring Busta Rhymes back as well?

post #105 of 310
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Everything but Halloween and Halloween II is being ignored. 

 

Lance Guest anxiously waits by his phone.

post #106 of 310

Poor, poor Jimmy. Only gets to survive in the TV cut. 

post #107 of 310

I would argue he's still alive in the theatrical cut. He just passed out. That's not fatal. The film just didn't give a shit about resolving that.

post #108 of 310
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Lance Guest anxiously waits by his phone.

 

If he gets a call, the longest running bloody cliffhanger in history (if you don't count TV cut's ending). 

post #109 of 310

Sure, he could've lived (I buy it in the TV cut). But man, he hits his head really, really hard.

post #110 of 310
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Sure, he could've lived (I buy it in the TV cut). But man, he hits his head really, really hard.

 

But it made him a whiz at Starfighter! 

 

*Tumble weed*

 

I'll see myself out.

post #111 of 310

While they're at it, bring in Paul Rudd as Tommy while still ignoring 6.

post #112 of 310

Here's a question: should we even assume Laurie (in this new continuity) would even know that Michael is her brother?  She doesn't learn that information in HALLOWEEN II, and Loomis is (presumably) dead.  The nurse who tells Loomis about Laurie would still know, but there's not necessarily a reason to believe she'd tell Laurie.  Why burden her with that knowledge after Michael is (again, presumably) dead?

 

If we must continue to go with the brother/sister connection, having Laurie finally learn about that connection in the new movie could be an interesting angle to mine.

post #113 of 310
Yeah I too took it as he died. Man, this whole JLC involvement is making me think about whether or not McBride and Green knew they could meet her asking price from the get go.

Blum house has been doing pretty well lately, but I wonder if they had a backup plan.
post #114 of 310

How did she learn it in H20? Somebody told her in the 20 years?

post #115 of 310

I always assumed Laurie's flashbacks were her having the revelation that Michael is her brother on her own. Although those were always so confusing. She bugs her mom by some clothelines about her real parents, she actually visits (!) Michael at the hospital and he turns around and stares at her. Are those supposed to be literal or just her drug-induced hallucination? 

post #116 of 310
God I hate those TV cuts.

Also...I have sort of a random question. There's a shot of Michael Myers in H20 where his mask is super obviously CGI'd onto a person. I didn't notice this until the Scream factory box set blu ray. I never noticed this in the theater OR any of the numerous VHS/DVD viewings I'd seen over the years. Did I imagine that?
post #117 of 310
post #118 of 310

Yeah, just what the fuck is going on here? 

 

 

This implies she knew about Michael all along, but it was a repressed memory, right?

post #119 of 310
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God I hate those TV cuts.

Also...I have sort of random question. There's a shot of Michael Myers in H20 where his mask is super obviously CGI'd onto a person. I didn't notice this until the Scream factory box set blu ray. I never noticed this in the theater OR any of the numerous VHS/DVD viewings I'd seen over the years. Did I imagine that?

 

All I remember was her seeing Michael through the glass door was a reshoot. The big reveal in the teaser is a 180 from what's in the finished film.

 

EDIT: Yep. Thanks User_32!

 

 

post #120 of 310

WHERE IS THE DARK SHAPE WHEN THESE QUESTIONS NEED ANSWERING?!

post #121 of 310
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Apparently, you're right.

 

http://www.du-hd.com/horror-lists/the-different-masks-used-in-halloween-h20/

God, if only people did the same analysis of these changes as they do for episodes of Twin Peaks...

post #122 of 310
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God I hate those TV cuts.

Also...I have sort of a random question. There's a shot of Michael Myers in H20 where his mask is super obviously CGI'd onto a person. I didn't notice this until the Scream factory box set blu ray. I never noticed this in the theater OR any of the numerous VHS/DVD viewings I'd seen over the years. Did I imagine that?


Yeah, it's the scene where Charlie bumps into Michael after the corkscrew bit.

 

Thing is, it looks fine if you see the film in 35mm.  But every home video version has jacked the brightness up, so the mask looks very fake.  When you see a print of the film, Michael is hidden in shadow.

post #123 of 310
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How did she learn it in H20? Somebody told her in the 20 years?

I think we're meant to assume that Loomis (who has died recently when the movie begins) must have told her at some point.

 

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Yeah, just what the fuck is going on here? 

 

 

This implies she knew about Michael all along, but it was a repressed memory, right?

That's vague enough to mean whatever anybody wants it to mean.  Laurie's reaction upon waking up does not seem to imply she's recovered some shocking memory from her past.

 

Plus, this is just in a TV cut, right?  No reason to feel locked in, continuity-wise, by it.

post #124 of 310
Ok...I assume that all of those changes were made before H20's theatrical release. What am I saying...OF COURSE they were. Had to be. But I swear to god all the times I'd seen it previous to the blu it seemed like the FIRST portal mask was used through the whole movie. Now...granted, before I revisited it as part of the box set recently, I hadn't seen H20 in many years. Well over a decade. But the whole time watching the blu, I kept thinking how funny the mask looked. This isn't some Lucas special edition version of H20 that significantly altered the movie (mask wise) was it? What's on the blu WAS what was in the theater, right?
post #125 of 310
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This thread makes me feel like I'm 14 posting at the Ultimate Halloween Message Board.  It's only a matter of time before people start arguing Halloween 4-6 still exist in the H20 timeline.

 

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Ok...I assume that all of those changes were made before H20's theatrical release. What am I saying...OF COURSE they were. Had to be. But I swear to god all the times I'd seen it previous to the blu it seemed like the FIRST portal mask was used through the whole movie. Now...granted, before I revisited it as part of the box set recently, I hadn't seen H20 in many years. Well over a decade. But the whole time watching the blu, I kept thinking how funny the mask looked. This isn't some Lucas special edition version of H20 that significantly altered the movie (mask wise) was it? What's on the blu WAS what was in the theater, right?

 

Correct.  The version on the Blu-ray is the theatrical version of the movie, it's just overlit. 

post #126 of 310
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I think we're meant to assume that Loomis (who has died recently when the movie begins) must have told her at some point.

 

That's vague enough to mean whatever anybody wants it to mean.  Laurie's reaction upon waking up does not seem to imply she's recovered some shocking memory from her past.

 

Plus, this is just in a TV cut, right?  No reason to feel locked in, continuity-wise, by it.

Yeah, I remember it vaguely because although I own H2, I've seen it plenty of times on television, especially when I was a kid. So I honestly can't remember if the video version has Laurie's dreams/repressed memories. 

 

Like I said above, I remember another where she's bugging her mom, Mrs. Strode, about her parents or something and she's basically shut down for asking about it. 

post #127 of 310

Also, why is the mask apparently so hard to get right?

post #128 of 310
I know this is a small gripe but, can we have a mask where we don't see his eyes? Doesn't that add more to him being a force of evil? Giving him eyes just adds another layer of humanity.

One of H2's biggest mistakes IMO was being able to see Dick Warlocks eyes through the mask.

And he still has one of the greatest names ever.
post #129 of 310
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This thread makes me feel like I'm 14 posting at the Ultimate Halloween Message Board.  It's only a matter of time before people start arguing Halloween 4-6 still exist in the H20 timeline.

 

Wait till this new one comes out and people start arguing Halloween 4-8 exist in this new timeline. And even those arguing that Rob Zombie's version exists too!

post #130 of 310

The weirdest thing is those earlier drafts of H20 that acknowledged H4-H6 and featured a detective character (that was actually cast as Charles S. Dutton!) that visited Jamie Lloyd's grave, and a student in Laurie's classroom doing a report on the Haddonfield murders that sends Laurie out of the room hyperventilating and vomiting. Those drafts still never answered why LAURIE ABANDONED HER DAUGHTER.

 

So best that they ignored them entirely. 

post #131 of 310
Thread Starter 

I will be stunned if H20 at the least isn't acknowledged to have happened in this new film, even if it mostly just talks about the original night and that Laurie is Michael's sister.  That movie was a big hit - it's harder to write out of existence than 4-6 were, which didn't make nearly as much money and were overly complicated for casuals.

 

Fun fact: HALLOWEEN RETURNS, the Weinstein Company's last ditch effort to make a new film in 2015, wiped every single sequel out of existence.  It was a direct sequel to the original film, set 10 years later, but it used character names from H2 (so even though that movie was ignored, the Sheriff is Gary Hunt) and was set in the present day.  They pulled a TEXAS CHAINSAW 3D.

post #132 of 310
I remember reading a draft of part 7 that had Michael Myers on a college campus stalking the female protagonist of part 6 I think...

IIRC Tommy Doyle was back in it too... did anyone else read that?
post #133 of 310
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Also, why is the mask apparently so hard to get right?

 

Not Shatner enough. 

post #134 of 310
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I think you're talking about Halloween '98, which my buddy Justin wrote.  He'll love that you've read it.

post #135 of 310

I...I think I may have read that one. You know, like 15 years ago. Is Tommy a cop in it?

post #136 of 310
I think it's interesting how much the Producer's Cut of part 6 (which I happen to actually like a bit more than the theatrical....which ain't saying much) helps one to make 3, 4 and 5 fit into the continuity between II and H20. I know that they don't nor were they intended to. But it DOES help if you want to view it that way.
post #137 of 310
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The Producer's Cut is misguided but at least it's committed to the story it wants to tell.  It's hugely better than the theatrical version, and makes for a nice, if dark, ending to the 4-6 chapter the series.

post #138 of 310
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I think you're talking about Halloween '98, which my buddy Justin wrote.  He'll love that you've read it.

Whoa! That would be awesome if it was! I remember enjoying it and yea, Tommy was a cop or detective I believe. He had definitely taken on the Loomis mantle.
post #139 of 310

OH MY GOD I HAVE READ IT

 

Check out this blast from the past: http://www.oocities.org/hollywood/Set/9334/index.htm

post #140 of 310
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I won't link to it 'cause nobody should read anything I wrote when I was 17, but Justin and I co-wrote a fan-wanky sequel called Halloween: Past Tense that brought back Laurie, was set after Resurrection, and tied in Halloween 4-6.  We were nerds.

post #141 of 310
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This thread makes me feel like I'm 14 posting at the Ultimate Halloween Message Board.  It's only a matter of time before people start arguing Halloween 4-6 still exist in the H20 timeline.

 

I wish Halloween 4 through 6 did, in fact, exist in the H20 timeline. Just for the astonishment of what a horrible mother... wife... human being Laurie would be.

 

Also for an awesome listen, check out The Dark Shape giving commentary over Halloween: Resurrection... and irritating the fuck out of the hosts with his knowledge.

 

https://player.fm/series/bootleg-commentary/bootleg-commentary-halloween-resurrection-wguests-brian-collins-matthew-thompson

post #142 of 310

I also have vague memories of, it might've been on Halloweenmovies.com, an ongoing series of scripts for a hypothetical TV series that took place post-H20 but had people (not returning characters, I don't think) investigating the Thorn cult.

post #143 of 310
Halloween 6 is one of the most compromised, corn holed by the studio movies that's ever existed. I'm surprised that one didn't get dumped on to Alan Smithee's filmography. Both versions are like the "Waterworld boats" of the series. Both barely functional and assembled out of scraps and BARELY stay afloat..
post #144 of 310
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OH MY GOD I HAVE READ IT

 

Check out this blast from the past: http://www.oocities.org/hollywood/Set/9334/index.htm


Christ, it's a fan script? I don't know what's worse; writing a fan script or reading one.

post #145 of 310
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Not Shatner enough. 


Well, yeah.

 

4 and 5's masks are the absolute worst because you can't see any Shatner in them at all.  CURSE and H20's multiple masks, while not great, do at least still have some Shatnerian qualities.

post #146 of 310
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Well, yeah.

 

4 and 5's masks are the absolute worst because you can't see any Shatner in them at all.  CURSE and H20's multiple masks, while not great, do at least still have some Shatnerian qualities.

And I love how when Jamie hallucinates Michael Myers in Part 4, he's wearing said mask despite the fact that A) It looks completely different from the original mask and B) He hasn't even stolen it yet.

post #147 of 310

Not to be that nerd... but Loomis somehow being alive at the start of Halloween 4 still annoys me.

post #148 of 310
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Not to be that nerd... but Loomis somehow being alive at the start of Halloween 4 still annoys me.


Loomis cheating death is worth it just for the scene in Part 5 where he kicks the little kid out of Jamie's room on the pretense they're both leaving. 

 

Classic Loomis!

 

Part V also has Tina. Worst character ever.

post #149 of 310
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Not to be that nerd... but Loomis somehow being alive at the start of Halloween 4 still annoys me.


It's silly, but I'll take it.  Pleasence is the only thing keeping 5 even remotely watchable.

post #150 of 310
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Part V also has Tina. Worst character ever.

 

I give Halloween 5 props for that "...the fuck?!" ending.

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