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post #51 of 310
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Oooo, what was Carpenter's idea for 4?

 

 

A ghost story involving the PTSD of the survivors of the original Halloween attack. Zombie kinda did a version of it for H2.

post #52 of 310

Would love to see that. Maybe that's what this move is? If they don't ignore Halloween II, I doubt Carpenter would like another hand wave to Myer's burning alive at the end. 

post #53 of 310
Or Carpenter's other idea from the '90s: send Michael into space!
post #54 of 310
Of course....space. Despite how much I enjoy Jason X (probably too much)....just...no. Hell no. Jason X is the exception not the rule. And even then, it's still not good in the "this is a great film" sense. Not that that's news to anyone..
post #55 of 310

 The holodeck scene in Jason X was funny. It was an obvious joke, but it still worked for me.

post #56 of 310
I wouldn't mind if this kept Halloween II and H20 in the mix. He got burned to ashes...he came back. He got decapitated (striking Resurrection from the record)....and he STILL came back. I wouldn't mind if they literally let it be that way. That vague. Supernatural only in the sense that every time Laurie left him for dead he was DEAD with a capital D. And then they don't try to explain it much more than that. Make him the boogeyman for real. How is he alive? Is that even the same person that she burned to death in '78 and decapitated in '98? It has to be another person because there's no way he's actually alive. But let the movie make it clear (somehow) that it IS the same person. That would make Michael Myers ultimately more like something akin to the IT from It Follows. It doesn't matter that you saw his dead body. He's back and alive and how the hell? And she's going crazy finally because how do you rationalize this sort of thing?
post #57 of 310
Looking forward to this. While I do enjoy the Jason movies, always been way more into the Halloween series. Don't care too much if they choose to ignore a whole chunk of the sequels though.

BTW Resurrection absolutely deserves to be forgotten. Rewatched it recently and it really is quite bad. What made it a bit easier to swallow was the sheer weirdness of the Busta Rhymes character ("Dangertainment is over!"). Also the main girl's online friend trying to help her remotely through hilariously unsophisticated texting sessions made me lol, with the texts taking forever to come through and the girl reading them out loud like an old person.

"HE'S IN THE NEXT ROOM!"

"TRY THE WINDOW!"

"HE'S STILL ALIVE!"

etc
post #58 of 310

Haven't been this excited about a Halloween movie in literally 20 years.

post #59 of 310

Jamie Lee Curtis is back.

I'm sold.

post #60 of 310
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I wouldn't mind if this kept Halloween II and H20 in the mix. He got burned to ashes...he came back. He got decapitated (striking Resurrection from the record)....and he STILL came back. I wouldn't mind if they literally let it be that way. That vague. Supernatural only in the sense that every time Laurie left him for dead he was DEAD with a capital D. And then they don't try to explain it much more than that. Make him the boogeyman for real. How is he alive? Is that even the same person that she burned to death in '78 and decapitated in '98? It has to be another person because there's no way he's actually alive. But let the movie make it clear (somehow) that it IS the same person. That would make Michael Myers ultimately more like something akin to the IT from It Follows. It doesn't matter that you saw his dead body. He's back and alive and how the hell? And she's going crazy finally because how do you rationalize this sort of thing?


He wasn't the one who got decapitated.

post #61 of 310
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Looking forward to this. While I do enjoy the Jason movies, always been way more into the Halloween series. Don't care too much if they choose to ignore a whole chunk of the sequels though.

BTW Resurrection absolutely deserves to be forgotten. Rewatched it recently and it really is quite bad. What made it a bit easier to swallow was the sheer weirdness of the Busta Rhymes character ("Dangertainment is over!"). Also the main girl's online friend trying to help her remotely through hilariously unsophisticated texting sessions made me lol, with the texts taking forever to come through and the girl reading them out loud like an old person.

"HE'S IN THE NEXT ROOM!"

"TRY THE WINDOW!"

"HE'S STILL ALIVE!"

etc


Agreed about Resurrection.

Busta Rhymes completely ruined that movie.

post #62 of 310
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Would love to see that. Maybe that's what this move is? If they don't ignore Halloween II, I doubt Carpenter would like another hand wave to Myer's burning alive at the end. 


I assumed this movie was taking place post HII but before H4. Since there's a 10 year gap between the two movies.

Maybe they'll have it take place after H20 (So that Jamie Lee Curtis is still alive) They should bring Josh Hartnett back.

post #63 of 310

Everything but Halloween and Halloween II is being ignored. 

post #64 of 310
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He wasn't the one who got decapitated.
I know that. I meant if they ignored Resurrection but not H20..
post #65 of 310

This is basically a choose your own adventure series now. 

 

Watch Halloween as a standalone movie about a maniac killing babysitters.

Watch Halloween-Halloween 6 as a series about a maniac sacrificing his family to a druidic harvest festival cult.

Watch Halloween, Halloween II, H20 and Resurrection as a series about a maniac trying to kill his sister.

Watch Zombie's Halloween and Halloween II as a series about a maniac killing everyone to protect his sister. 

or

 

Watch Halloween, Halloween II and this new movie...as a series about a maniac trying to kill his sister. 

post #66 of 310

I prefer your first option.

post #67 of 310

Exactly.

 

And it's one thing to have something similar with, say, The Texas Chain Saw Massacre series. Only 2 and the recent Texas Chain Saw reboot even acknowledge the first movie (but not each other), with every other entry basically being standalone and the remake and its prequel being their own thing. 

 

But every single iteration of a Halloween FRANCHISE stems from the sister twist in II. I'd be much more excited if this new movie was bringing Laurie back as a direct sequel to the first movie, sans II and the sister connection entirely. 

post #68 of 310
It'd literally be too confusing for people these days I think. The sister aspect is too big a part of it to excise now. It's as much a part of Halloween as Loomis and Haddonfield and well....all that other Halloweeny stuff I guess..
post #69 of 310
I'm having a hard time getting excited for this, JLC or no. I was already burned on that shitty H20, so the presence of JLC doesn't guarantee anything other than somebody needs to pay the bills. If I still have a Movie Pass at that point, then I'll hit it. Otherwise it's a cautious wait and see.
post #70 of 310
Considering Carpenter's past comments about having no problem cashing checks, there is a lot of doubt in me concerning that Facebook announcement he made about being behind this, being blown away etc.

But on the other hand, he WOULD say the same things if he truly WAS approached by a fresh way to bring back Michael Myers.

It's the boy who cried wolf. However, involving JLC, unless her involvement means they are going in a completely different direction (which includes retconning I'm guessing, since she died in Resurrection) I will remain cautious.

Is there a way they can explain that they made a mistake with the sister angle? How can they bring back the mythic feeling of the first Halloween while maintaining the sister BS?
post #71 of 310
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Fair enough. I've only seen the first two, H20 and those god-awful Rob Zombie ones. 

I'm just skimming the thread and I hope someone has already said this:

SAX YOU HAVE TO SEE SEASON OF THE WITCH

It's completely bugnuts. A bona fide so bad it's good classic.
post #72 of 310
H3 is great. And the soundtrack kicks ass.
post #73 of 310
I like slasher's so much and the first three of these in particular that I don't know why I almost bothered saying bad or event hesitant about it. Short of me dying or losing my eyeballs or something like that, there's no way in hell I'm not gonna watch this regardless of what the reviews say. I don't care if they retain the brother angle because, let's be honest, that's gonna be a part of it but I DO hope that Michael Myers isn't LITERALLY back alive in it. If I were doing this movie (which I'm not because I'm a talentless rube) I'd do something along the lines of The Babadook where the town is still reliving that Halloween 40 years (fuck) ago because it was such a traumatizing event and the holiday is downplayed and by now it's probably become the local legend. And then whatever bad things start to happen, of course in Haddonfield Myers' name gets brought up. And the things people are seeing, they don't know if it's mass hysteria or some sick person fucking with them or what. And treat the image of The Shape like the Babadook did with it's monster. Maybe a tiny bit less subtle than that...but enough to play with the audiences perception..
post #74 of 310
When does this start production?

Please I hope they are filming at the time in October when the leaves are at peak colour. And please film in Illinois or somewhere in New England or Ontario where the season would be reflected most.

And please don't fuck this up.
post #75 of 310

It comes out in almost exactly 13 months from now. Seems like they'd have to start filming, like, now. 

post #76 of 310
Haddonfield is supposed to be in Illinois so, any semi-small town in the Midwest would do.

But I DO agree that if I EVER wrote a horror script, I'd set it in New England. Maine for sure....even though Stephen King has a monopoly on that. When I was in Maine....that was one of the thoughts going through my head was how everything. Every little town. It all looked like a slasher movie setting. I just can't picture that shit happening in Texas despite the obvious connection there. Horror works best for me in the cold. Why....I'm not sure. It's just an association that I make..
post #77 of 310
They were scouting the same exact spots for filming in the Pasadena area a few months ago apparently.
post #78 of 310
Oh dear! Palm trees in the Midwest!

Climate change!
post #79 of 310
Well yes I realize there's a discrepancy between where they said it takes place and where it was actually filmed. Didn't they couldn't just filmed it in the Midwest NOW. But if they're going back to Cali then...well, that's fine too *shrugs*
post #80 of 310
Hopefully they can represent the time of year effectively.

Nothing is worse than those Christmas movies they film in April and the production designers just put some ice cubes here and there on lush green lawns.

I know Halloween looks different depending on where you live but the movie is set in Illinois so, leaves, leaves, leeeeeeaaavvveeeessssss!
post #81 of 310

Haha, palm trees in the midwest, like when Freddy's Dead retroactively reveals Springwood is in Ohio, then you go back and watch the first movie and uuuuummmmmmm

post #82 of 310
Yeah well, retroactively FUCK Freddy's Dead..
post #83 of 310
It's funny how the three big franchises have resorted to family member protagonists having to finally do the deed of slaying the killer.


Someone needs to end this needless, silly movie trope.
post #84 of 310

I may be the one guy that likes Freddy's Dead, just because it's so strange. I actually really like the teens and Lisa Zane. When they're on their own, Talalay uses a more naturalistic filmmaking style, and there's a real underbelly of grime to their backstories.

 

But everything with Freddy himself...ugh, so bad. Only the opening with John Doe is kind of cool in its gonzo cleverness, but if Freddy became a standup comic around Dream Master, he at least started off as Bill Hicks. By Freddy's Dead he's Gallagher. 

post #85 of 310
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By Freddy's Dead he's Gallagher. 

This may be the most accurate summation of what's wrong with Freddy in FREDDY'S DEAD that I've ever seen.

post #86 of 310
It doesn't help that Freddy's make up is the worst it has ever been (could have been just a bad choice for reasons of trying to humanize Freddy in the movie) with the latex rubber given no definition or even wetness.
post #87 of 310
That started with Part 5, when a conscious effort was made to simplify the make up. The end result doesn't hold a candle to Kevin Yagher's design (seen in 2-4 and Freddy's Nightmares).

My problem with Freddy's Dead is that the Twin Peaks aesthetic makes even the real-world scenes seem like dream sequences, so there's no sense of stakes. I know the movie pays lip service to the idea that Freddy is blurring dreams and reality or whatever, but without any kind of grounding nothing feels like it matters.

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Haha, palm trees in the midwest, like when Freddy's Dead retroactively reveals Springwood is in Ohio, then you go back and watch the first movie and uuuuummmmmmm

Ohio was established earlier than that, and Wes Craven has stated that he intended the original to take place in the Midwest, and in fact chose the house used in the original because he thought it looked like a piece of the Midwest in the middle of California. The illusion isn't the greatest thanks to all the other exteriors, but what can ya do.
post #88 of 310

I have this idea in my head, probably a dumb one, that the ending of a new Halloween film should be the reveal of something like 3 or 4 people in Michael Myers masks. Don't unmask them, don't say who they are, just have the shock reveal be that Myers is likely dead and that there seems to be a group of people who are imitating him like a homicidal version of the "Scary Clown" thing that's going on right now.

 

On its face, it seems like F13 pt 5, but you could look at it as a take on the Slender Man case. In this situation, a terrible thing happened decades ago, it blossomed into legend, and the cultural penetration eventually inspires a small group of organized copycats who remain unknown because like Myers, behind the mask they can be anybody. 

 

Most people would hate that, but it's one of the few things with a modicum of balls that I think might be interesting enough. If it doesn't work, just do what they always do and ignore that shit in a sequel.

post #89 of 310
I want the film to open with the clock at 11:59 pm on October 30th. A wind stirs, howls. We hear a heavy, disembodied breath underneath, what seems like, a mask. The clock strikes 12. In the front lawn of the Myer's house, the Shape manifests/POPS into reality like some interdimensional being. He steps toward camera. The theme plays.

Explain none of it throughout the whole film.

It could be inferred from that point on that the Shape may not even be Michael Myers anymore. It may be more.
post #90 of 310
I definitely want a layer of "is this supernatural or what" outta this movie. Having it being a straight sequel to Halloween II but just having some obviously semi-mortal dude in a mask offing people all "business as usual" like ain't gonna cut it this time..
post #91 of 310
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I want the film to open with the clock at 11:59 pm on October 30th. A wind stirs, howls. We hear a heavy, disembodied breath underneath, what seems like, a mask. The clock strikes 12. In the front lawn of the Myer's house, the Shape manifests/POPS into reality like some interdimensional being. He steps toward camera. The theme plays.

Explain none of it throughout the whole film.

It could be inferred from that point on that the Shape may not even be Michael Myers anymore. It may be more.

This. ALL OF THIS.  Shit, tie it into Prince Of Darkness for the hell of it.

post #92 of 310

There should be a scene where somebody removes Michael's mask only to reveal another mask. They remove that one. Another mask. This goes on for a ridiculous amount of time until Michael stabs them.

post #93 of 310
Retroactively make the Halloween 2 version of Michael Myers a Silver Shamrock android and have Halloween 3 be canon.

Make Halloween a banned holiday after what happened during Halloween 3. It turned out only a few channels showed the Silver Shamrock jingle and only one or two children died making it an urban legend, but it gotntraction enough to become a banned holiday.

30 years later, Haddonfield decides to start celebrating Halloween again. Michael Myers returns.

When he is unmasked he is revealed to be David from The Guest.

The End.
post #94 of 310

Well, if Scream Queens proved one thing, it's that I'll watch Jamie Lee Curtis in just about anything (and know she'll deliver), so ticket sold.

post #95 of 310

Yeah!  Halloween is banned in Haddonfield.  But some young hotshot high school kid who is really good at Trick or Treating moves into town.  he's like "You guys don't Trick or Treat?"  He falls for the preacher's daughter, who's really kind of a bad girl at heart.  They even go across county lines one night to Trick or Treat.  But the locals just don't like him since he's a hot shot city slicker.  Out of frustration he does some gymnastic Trick or Treating (it's way more awesome than it sounds!).  But one day he finally confronts the preacher during church service.  He reads scripture about how Jesus and his followers used to dress up like little trolls and goblins, going hut to hut asking people for sweet treats or face the consequence of a trick.  The preacher finally relents and allows Halloween to happen.  While doing their celebratory Trick or Treating, Michael Myers shows up and stabs the lot of them.

post #96 of 310
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Yeah!  Halloween is banned in Haddonfield.  But some young hotshot high school kid who is really good at Trick or Treating moves into town.  he's like "You guys don't Trick or Treat?"  He falls for the preacher's daughter, who's really kind of a bad girl at heart.  They even go across county lines one night to Trick or Treat.  But the locals just don't like him since he's a hot shot city slicker.  Out of frustration he does some gymnastic Trick or Treating (it's way more awesome than it sounds!).  But one day he finally confronts the preacher during church service.  He reads scripture about how Jesus and his followers used to dress up like little trolls and goblins, going hut to hut asking people for sweet treats or face the consequence of a trick.  The preacher finally relents and allows Halloween to happen.  While doing their celebratory Trick or Treating, Michael Myers shows up and stabs the lot of them.

The funny thing is that's part of the plot of Halloween 6.

post #97 of 310

HALLOWEEN II is great. The desolate hospital setting gives the film a creepy atmosphere, and Pleasence's hilariously OTT performance is a sight to behold.

post #98 of 310
The mythic angle needs to be played up. The strike of midnight, gust of wind appearance of Myers in the front yard of his house is fantastic imagery.


It's a narrow line they are balancing on, because I feel like it is kind of what they wanted to accomplish in 6, but they were hamstrings by the whole sister/family nonsense.

How can JLC be involved while appeasing fans of Myers being a random stalker? Is it still even possible? And if they do go the supernatural aspect, how can she be apart of it?
post #99 of 310

Approaching this from a screenwriter's perspective, where is Laurie at the start of Halloween '18? 

 

Let's set H20 aside and say she never went into the Witness Protection Program. She's 57 years old and it's that time of year again. Does she live in Haddonfield, or did she move far, far away? Did she ever marry? Have children? What's her job? Is she still meek, the old girl scout?

 

I think by not having her living under an assumed name there's ample opportunity to have her plagued by being a seasonal celebrity. Every year around October 1 the paparazzi start showing up. People take selfies outside of her house. She's kind of shunned by the community around her. 

 

That's similar ground to how Sidney was handled in the Scream series, but even Scream 4 released in 2011 didn't really tackle the immediacy of social media. I think there's ample opportunity there. 

post #100 of 310
I have a feeling she's going to play a "Tommy Jarvis at the end of F13th part 4" type role. She'll be nuts and half the movie is gonna be devoted to making you wonder if she's not the one under the mask..
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