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post #101 of 192

The saddest part about that end (and I think Philip subconsciously knows it) is that it is absolutely correct.  Being lied to about everything (including your identity) by your parents would fucking destroy a child, especially if they found out around Paige's age.  Elizabeth is so ideological (and hopeful that Paige will become just like her and validate her choices) that she'll blow right by it (as she did this whole episode [and series]), and Philip will initially reject it, but it'll gnaw away at him.  When something horrible eventually happens to Pasha, it'll reflect on what the Jennings have done to their own children and it will land on Philip's face

 

I know it is a slow burn season, but I'm admiring how psychologically ugly it is getting.

post #102 of 192
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Interesting character work, but pick up the pace guys.

 

Pretty much the case the entire season. I'm not yet bored, but it's been a very slow burn.

post #103 of 192

I guess?  It hasn't bothered me at all.  This season is less about the trade craft and intense chases, but rather emotional set pieces and climaxes.  With all the character work done prior, I'm just as engaged by their conversations as I am with their spy shit.

post #104 of 192
I for one loved the wedding. I have a thing for trance inducing religious ceremonies.
post #105 of 192

I think the slow pace is merely a bunch of setup for stuff that will payoff next season.

 

But yeah, that diary stuff was crazy.

post #106 of 192
The darkroom scene saved the episode. Pastor Tim will be dead or off saving the world by season's end.
post #107 of 192

There's been at least one riveting scene each ep this season, but I'll be honest: I'm bored breathless.

post #108 of 192
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There's been at least one riveting scene each ep this season, but I'll be honest: I'm bored breathless.

Somewhat bored yes, yet somehow it continues to be riveting. I attribute to the great writing and seamless acting. 

 

Can someone tell me who the Russian woman is who Stan and his partner are trying to turn and use. I don't seem to remember her from earlier seasons.  

post #109 of 192
She's new. I think she works for a Russian news agency and somehow ran away from Russia.
post #110 of 192
Thanks I figured she might be a new character, seems like such a nice lady hope things don't go south for her
post #111 of 192
I always wondered if Philip and Elizabeth were legally married, or if that was just part of their cover. Question answered!
post #112 of 192
I always assumed they were legit married. But I guess it does make some sense that they weren't.

Paige really shouldn't have brought the pictures of the diary pages. She totally undersold how bad it was. It was a nice sequence of her watching them do their thing.

I'm sure there will be a payoff to everything but I'm beginning to think we won't get it until next year.
post #113 of 192
Watching MSNBC covering the Trump stuff and part of the panel is an ex-deep cover KGB agent that turned and worked with the FBI and is now an American citizen.

Al I could think is holy shit, it's Phillip.
post #114 of 192

Holy fuck. That last act, guys. Just... holy fuck.  I need a hug. 

post #115 of 192

Yeah, there's the show I remember.  Only 2 more episodes left?

 

Wondering if Phil and Elizabeth asking to leave when Paige and Henry are in prime position to be second generation spies will finally set the two at odds with the Center.  I could see a situation where we find our Henry's being given this grand opportunity only because the Center created it.  Sort of like what they were saying with Pastor Tim, creating an irresistible opportunity in order to get someone where they want them.

 

Anyway, if that's the case, I don't imagine the Center's going to be upfront about it, or be too keen to let them return home to Russia.

post #116 of 192
Well shit . . . I'm all a wreck now. That was heart breaking.
post #117 of 192
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That was some last 20 minutes. Don't know who that actress was but she outta get an Emmy or a Tony or something.

post #118 of 192

"I want to go home."

 

Jesus Christ, Elizabeth going all Benicio Del Toro in Sicario was a season AND series highlight.

post #119 of 192
On a lighter note, the mail robot. "More trouble than it's worth." You could say that again, Stan.
post #120 of 192

I think it's only a matter of time now before Elizabeth loses her religion, so to speak, in regards to her hardline nationalism.  Even she was disgusted over that hit, despite the fact that this woman appeared to be who they were looking for after all. 

 

Too bad Philip is way ahead of her. By the time she's gotten to the point where she wants to go home, Russia is probably the last place he wants to be, or EVER be again.  My bet?  One of the last arcs of this show will be Philip trying to convince Elizabeth to cut a deal with the Feds.

post #121 of 192
I don't see Elizabeth turning on Mother Russia. Philip is almost there and he probably will look for an out of some kind.

My thinking is that Philip will look to leave this life and start over, probably bringing Henry along. Elizabeth won't be able to go through with it and there's an irrevocable split between them.

Dying to know what they end up doing with the Stan and Oleg arcs, cause I have no idea at this point.
post #122 of 192

Yeah, on the Slate podcast the J's didn't seem to be iplying that Elizabeth's problem was the killing. Her problem is that she truly loves Philip, and Philip can't handle the killing anymore. Even a Nazi collaborator (technically) made him freeze up. 

 

Maybe it's wishful thinking on my part that allowed me to see Elizabeth identifying with that woman (forgot the name) after she implied she was repeatedly raped. In that moment I thought she may have thawed a bit, but I guess not.

 

So her answer is to pack it in and go home. Keep her hubby safe from the obvious pain he's in... but missing the point completely.  Philip will NEVER be comfortable with Russia again. He's seen too much shady shit and seen too many people die for little or no reason. People he's had to kill.  If he went "home" to Russia, he'd likely fall under suspicion and face all manner of bullshit and red tape with the KGB, who may just ask him to "step out into the hall for some paperwork" just to ease their paranoia. 

 

I think for Philip, Russa = Death. 

post #123 of 192

Philip has been there a long while now. Might he return to suggesting they defect? It is what he wants, right? Makes me wonder what the situation was the last time he brought it up.

post #124 of 192

Thinking further...

 

Natalie (I think that was it) was pretty much what Phil and Liz are. Hiding her real identity, lying to loved ones for years... she got very good at evading detection. We the audience (I think) were supposed to buy her innocence throughout the majority of the scene.. and even then softened her guilt by her implications of being left alive to be used by the men. That may or may not be true... but technically she DID do these acts.

 

Her insistence of innocence, playacting at "pretending to admit guilt", and then pleading... all it accomplished was the worst outcome for her.  Not only did it get her killed, but before that her secret was revealed to her hubby (who thinks I'm so good!), then it got HIM killed in front of her. Ffffffuuuuuck, that's brutal.

 

Had she accepted it sooner, her husband would have lived and believed she'd died as the person HE knew and loved. Grieving, but none the wiser.  

 

The more I think about it, the more heartbreaking it is.  

 

Philip KNOWS he's done and is doing horrible shit. He's not buying the "greater good" bullshit anymore.  Elizabeth, for the most part, is.

post #125 of 192
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Philip will NEVER be comfortable with Russia again. He's seen too much shady shit and seen too many people die for little or no reason. People he's had to kill.  If he went "home" to Russia, he'd likely fall under suspicion and face all manner of bullshit and red tape with the KGB, who may just ask him to "step out into the hall for some paperwork" just to ease their paranoia. 

 

I think for Philip, Russa = Death. 

I think the most telling thing in this episode was the look on his face when Claudia confirms that the Lhasa Fever was weaponized, and they named the strain after William, as if it was some great honour.

post #126 of 192
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I think the most telling thing in this episode was the look on his face when Claudia confirms that the Lhasa Fever was weaponized, and they named the strain after William, as if it was some great honour.

 

Yeah, that was quite the postmortem kick to the balls for old William.

post #127 of 192
A loaded episode tonight, but the real question is why Tuan hates The A-Team but is more than willing to wear a Knight Rider shirt.
post #128 of 192

Fuck you Tuan! 

 

Pastor Tim actually just brought up the best solution, and I don't think anyone really noticed. "In a few years, it won't be your decision anymore".    If Philip and Elizabeth can hold on until Henry is 18, then they can jet and the kids can decide on their own if they want to stay or go.  At least let Paige turn 18 and Henry go to his boarding school for a few years.

 

Of course, with only one season left and the fact that this is a drama, clearly they won't be doing that.  

 

Fuck Tuan!

 

More gold with Oleg and his parents, especially with his dad.  He couldn't help Oleg's mom, but now he has power and he wants to protect his son.

 

"Not just because you are my son, but because you are good."  

 

That combined with the questioning Oleg endured, which specifically brought up Beeman, William, Nina, etc..... it REALLY isn't looking good for ol' Oleg.  For a moment there, I thought he might jump off that bridge.  

 

I don't like his odds next week.

 

Fucking Tuan!

post #129 of 192

I should know by now to avoid the previews for this, but head's up to anyone who's yet to see this week's episode: skip it.  It lets some of the air out of the ending.

 

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Pastor Tim actually just brought up the best solution, and I don't think anyone really noticed. "In a few years, it won't be your decision anymore".    If Philip and Elizabeth can hold on until Henry is 18, then they can jet and the kids can decide on their own if they want to stay or go.  At least let Paige turn 18 and Henry go to his boarding school for a few years.

 

I was thinking, why go to Russia, if they have the connections to get Pastor Tim a job in Argentina, why not get Phillip and Elizabeth jobs in some communist friendly country so they can "retire".  Seems like a reasonable thing for a couple of travel agents to do.  I guess maybe they have to go home to Russia so their government can keep tabs on them?

 

Please, no more Paige training scenes.  What should've felt sort of sad and lonely instead made me feel like I was watching The Star Wars Kid.  Which...I guess would be sad and lonely, but neverless, I think they were going for something different.

 

Good episode, I feel like things are just getting fired up, so of course the finale is next week. I hope they bring it with the finale. I'm afraid we're going to get more slowburn, maybe some resolution to Oleg's and Tuan's stories and a little tease for next season.  If you'd asked me at the start of the season, I'd have guaranteed Stan was going to blow their cover in the season finale, but he's barely talked to the Jennings this season.

 

And of course, fuck Tuan.

 

 

 

post #130 of 192
Poor Tuan.
post #131 of 192

There's no way the KGB lets Phil and Liz walk away into the sunset, outside of their direct view and/or control. 

 

Guess I'm glad I missed the preview?  (who am I kidding, I'll pull it up on YouTube first chance I get)

 

Whatever happens next week, I'm looking forward to going back to the start of the season so I can watch it back to back.  This show plays amazingly well when binged over a short period of time. 

post #132 of 192
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 If you'd asked me at the start of the season, I'd have guaranteed Stan was going to blow their cover in the season finale, but he's barely talked to the Jennings this season.

 

 

 

 

 

All the more reason to suspect that Stan will bust them next week.  

 

He tried and tried to chase leads and smoke his prey out, but he was outsmarted and outclassed at every turn.  When he finally does catch a break, why wouldn't it be dumb luck?  Some coincidence, or worse because of a slip up on Philip and Elizabeth's part (say... hanging around the scene of a teen suicide?)

post #133 of 192

Loved the awkwardest introduction ever between Stan and Dennis and their Russian asset's fiancé. Their look of "What the fuck--?" the whole scene was priceless.

post #134 of 192
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Loved the awkwardest introduction ever between Stan and Dennis and their Russian asset's fiancé. Their look of "What the fuck--?" the whole scene was priceless.

 

Totally forgot that scene!  Yeah, that was a very welcome moment of levity... but that dude is clearly going to be a problem.

post #135 of 192

I get that big picture things are sorta happening, but this season is still driving me crazy. The way Oleg bounces and tilts around when he walks through his aimless scenes is triggering me.

post #136 of 192

I have a legitimate case of ADHD, yet somehow the pacing this season hasn't bothered me in the least. 

 

The J's stated from the start that this is a family drama with espionage as a setting. The focus was never primarily on the spy stuff, rather how a family is affected by it.  We're seeing in this "slow" season how it's all starting to catch up with these people in different ways.  I'm as engaged as I've ever been.

post #137 of 192
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I have a legitimate case of ADHD, yet somehow the pacing this season hasn't bothered me in the least. 

 

The J's stated from the start that this is a family drama with espionage as a setting. The focus was never primarily on the spy stuff, rather how a family is affected by it.  We're seeing in this "slow" season how it's all starting to catch up with these people in different ways.  I'm as engaged as I've ever been.

 

That's a great point. It seems as though they're setting it up where the Jennings family, one way or another, is going to get destroyed. Not to sound macabre, but I think of the Jennings kids should die, if only for Phillip and Elizabeth to suffer the same fate and feel the same pain that they've instilled on so many other people.

post #138 of 192

I don't think they have to die.  I think they (Henry more likely, but quite possibly Paige) have to reject them, reject their parenting, reject their love, and (in the case of Elizabeth) reject her beliefs.  Work AGAINST those beliefs.

 

If the Jennings are destroyed next season, it will be by their own hand.  The previous episode was absolutely structured around them facing the equivalence between Pasha's situation and what they might do to their own children.  It all but rubbed it in their faces.  Combine that with Pastor Tim's diary, and his description of what they had done to their own daughter...

 

Tough days in the Jennings bedroom.

post #139 of 192
I liked the scene with Oleg and his father.

I can't see it happening. But it would be something if Phillip and Elizabeth left without Paige and Henry.
post #140 of 192
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Fuck you Tuan! 

 

Pastor Tim actually just brought up the best solution, and I don't think anyone really noticed. "In a few years, it won't be your decision anymore".    If Philip and Elizabeth can hold on until Henry is 18, then they can jet and the kids can decide on their own if they want to stay or go.  At least let Paige turn 18 and Henry go to his boarding school for a few years.

 

Of course, with only one season left and the fact that this is a drama, clearly they won't be doing that.  

 

 

 

I think there's also some ramifications to abandoning your 20 and 18 yr old to their own devices, and the likely fallout to the Jennings just disappearing, or more problematically for Paige and Henry, the FBI/CIA finding out their parents were actually Russian spies. Which would have defeated the entire purpose of the Jennings posing as US citizens and having American kids. 

post #141 of 192

Jesus Christ, that was a tense opener.  You have 2 KGB agents, a Viet Namese agent, a CIA agent and a Soviet defector all working together over a teenager with slit wrists.  Tension be thy name!

post #142 of 192

I quite enjoyed Matthew Rhys' return to Stepfather histrionics when he told Henry that THIS FAMILY STAYS TOGETHER!

post #143 of 192

Pretty sure the same folks who thought this season has been too slow won't have their opinions changed by the finale tonight.  I want a re-watch before making a full judgement, but I liked it.  One thing I loved is that in what should be a major moment of triumph (head of the Soviet Division!!!) feels less like a celebration and more like a funeral.  

 

Philip is never going home.

 

 

What the hell was Paige doing with the car at night?  Did I miss something?

post #144 of 192

Whither Oleg!?  I'm most bummed we didn't get any closure/continuation on this storyline.  I thought for sure we were building up to something big for him this week.

 

 

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What the hell was Paige doing with the car at night?  Did I miss something?

 

Its stuff like that, that has made the season frustrating.  Its the end of a really cool montage, so I'm trying to figure out what's going to happen.  Oh no, those guys walking by in the park are going to follow her, little do they know she's been training...oh no...she's gonna get mugged in the parking lot...oh no, she's going to get in car accident...oh no...she's running away?  Oh...she went home and said the same stuff about Pastor Tim that she's said for the last 3 episodes.

 

The finale was much like the rest of the season. I enjoyed it, but I wanted more spycraft related tension.  That stuff was all secondhand this season, to the point where them having direct contact with a CIA agent was sort of brushed away and dealt with by an offhand piece of dialogue. 

 

This season might've benefited from playing up the Stan/Renee mystery.  Like they should've let the audience figure out something was up.  Instead Phillip just kind of assumes she's a spy.  I guess their scene tonight was the show confirming she's a spy, but it was a weak reveal. Why not do something that makes us think, "no way she's a spy", then end with a scene of her making a dead drop or something.

 

I do think P&E had strong character arcs this season and overall I've enjoyed it.  It just hasn't had the same spark and it feels like its treading water to save all its cool stuff for the final season.

post #145 of 192

Paige spin-off confirmed?  

 

(sorry)

post #146 of 192
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What the hell was Paige doing with the car at night?  Did I miss something?

 

Wasn't that where Elizabeth had killed their attacker? She was probably walking through it at night as a way of getting over the incident.

post #147 of 192
Decent finale, but a disappointing season overall, especially compared to season four. They didn't need to stretch it out to 13 episodes. Could have been 8. Now there's only 10 left, with a lot of ground to cover.

And Stan was a bust this season. He was told that the Russian spies are a couple with two kids. Then he literally does nothing about it. Was it even discussed again? Nice he got to cuddle up to Laurie Holden lots though.
post #148 of 192

So is it pretty much a given now that Laurie Holden IS indeed an agent?  Talking Stan out of quitting clinches it for me... it just doesn't necessarily tell me that it's the RUSSIANS she's working for.

post #149 of 192

I hope she is, because otherwise what was the point of Stan this season? Overall, not a bad season, but considering next year will be the last, I was hoping for a bigger hook than what we got.

post #150 of 192
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So is it pretty much a given now that Laurie Holden IS indeed an agent?  Talking Stan out of quitting clinches it for me... it just doesn't necessarily tell me that it's the RUSSIANS she's working for.


Yeah. And the look on Stan's face when she gives her schpiel about how he should stay read to me like he's realized there's something else going on there, too. I could totally see next season Stan enlisting Philip's help following her (a la Hank getting Walt to help him track Gus in Breaking Bad) because he's already on kind of thin ice at the Bureau and doesn't want to report that he might be compromised without being sure.

 

Also am I crazy or was there Cyrillic writing on that polygraph machine? What's up with that?

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