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post #51 of 192
I know it's the mid-season, but the last few episodes have been a bit too much of a slow burn and low key. Hopefully they will ratchet up the tension soon.
post #52 of 192
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The Oleg stuff better have a grand payoff. Those scenes are a chore now.

post #53 of 192

Yeah, I found things to be going a little too slow this week too. I think it's the best show currently on TV, but this season has tapered off over the duration. Hoping for a strong finish.

post #54 of 192
I definitely think next week is when the screws start tightening. I agree the last 2-3 episodes have been slow burn at best. I love the show tremendously...they've earned plenty of goodwill.
post #55 of 192
Thread Starter 

Something horrible is going to happen to someone(s) by season's end, I'm sure of that. They're gonna set up the last season with a whopper.

post #56 of 192

I'm thinking this is the season that breaks the camel's back for Philip. By season's end, he'll have made up his mind to flip or run.  He's just done with the Center and the life in general. 

 

As for something horrible... my bet is Tuan. Just keep suitcases out of this one, eep!

post #57 of 192
Thread Starter 

For some reason I'm thinking Matt. He's gonna find out something he shouldn't and they're gonna have to snuff him.

post #58 of 192
Nah, it's gotta be Tuan. The poor kid is going to do something awful and Philip is going to kill him for it.
post #59 of 192

My thought is that the bullying that Tuan is going to set up is going to lead to Pasha committing suicide, and Tuan is either going to have a total non-reaction to it, because if Pasha was too weak to put up with a little more bullying then fuck him, which is going to freak out Philip and Elizabeth. OR he's going to be so wracked with guilt that he burns the entire op.

post #60 of 192
He seems closer to finally breaking. But we've been saying that about a Phillip since the first season. Unless it involves having to kill Stan/Matt or him finding out about the center keeping his other son away from him, I can't see him breaking.

The Tuan stuff is tricky, I think he sees them as a real family and no co-workers. But I could also see him playing them either as a double agent or as revenge somehow.

Could they be telegraphing that Oleg isn't his fathers son any harder. That he's the son of some prison guard his mother slept with to survive.
post #61 of 192
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He seems closer to finally breaking. But we've been saying that about a Phillip since the first season. Unless it involves having to kill Stan/Matt or him finding out about the center keeping his other son away from him, I can't see him breaking.

The Tuan stuff is tricky, I think he sees them as a real family and no co-workers. But I could also see him playing them either as a double agent or as revenge somehow.

Could they be telegraphing that Oleg isn't his fathers son any harder. That he's the son of some prison guard his mother slept with to survive.

 

 

I don't know, Oleg seems a smidge too young....maybe not. 

post #62 of 192

The last few eps. have been slow for sure, yet someone I continue to be immersed. I actually think the Oleg scenes are pretty interesting if only to see the shit life that Russians had to endure under a communist regime. As for the payoff..., they already suspect Oleg of something ( searching his room ) so it wouldn't be a stretch to accuse him of outright treason. Poor guy might be headed toward Nina's fate.

 

As for the Phillip, Liz, Tuan troika, he's going to fuck everything up somehow. Maybe he kills the dad for his anti-communist views and wants him to "pay the price for his lack of vision."  

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post #63 of 192

I doubt they'll do with Oleg exactly what they did with Nina.

post #64 of 192
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I don't know, Oleg seems a smidge too young....maybe not. 
I dunno, the age of the characters (save for Paige and Henry) has always puzzled me.
post #65 of 192
Well, the actor who plays Oleg is nearly 40, which would work in the show's timeline if he was sired by a prison guard. It has always seemed to me, though, that Oleg as a character is supposed to be a bit younger.
post #66 of 192
Agreed, he looks the same age as Phillip (roughly) and I figured Phillip to be about 40-45...

...wait...OMG...Oleg is Phillips secret step brother...

But yeah, he appears to play a bit younger but not by much. Maybe closer to 30-35.
post #67 of 192
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Well, the actor who plays Oleg is nearly 40, which would work in the show's timeline if he was sired by a prison guard. It has always seemed to me, though, that Oleg as a character is supposed to be a bit younger.

 Yeah, I pegged Oleg on the fast track because of his dad (though still there because he's fucking hella competent)....so 30 or so. Which would place his birthdate at around 1950. 

Paige is 16, Henry is 14 (?), so I'm assuming Directorate S is not dumb enough to send people waaayyyy too young to the US, so Philip and Elizabeth are pretty close to Rhys/Russel's actual ages - early/mid 40s. So Philip and Elizabeth are people who were born before WW2 and saw pretty much the worst of the USSR. 

post #68 of 192

Martha's pregnant, right? 

post #69 of 192
Wasn't there like a 6 month time jump after she left? I don't think the timing would work on that.
post #70 of 192
Are-are they writing Henry out of the show?
post #71 of 192
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Are-are they writing Henry out of the show?

If they are it's a "mercy killing" they have no idea what to do with him.
post #72 of 192
"Besides, you two should spend more time with Paige."
post #73 of 192

At first I was thrilled to see Martha.  Then we saw Martha. Then I wanted to cry. 

Poor Martha.

 

Re: Henry - Now I'm REALLY starting to think he's being subtly recruited. A school that counts senators and other important/influential people as alumni? That's exactly what the Center wants from their second generation agents.

post #74 of 192
That Baked potato stuffed with bacon was one hell of a snack.
post #75 of 192
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Martha's pregnant, right? 

 

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Wasn't there like a 6 month time jump after she left? I don't think the timing would work on that.

 

Correct, and by now, it's over a year since she was sent back to Russia.

 

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At first I was thrilled to see Martha.  Then we saw Martha. Then I wanted to cry. 

Poor Martha.

 

Re: Henry - Now I'm REALLY starting to think he's being subtly recruited. A school that counts senators and other important/influential people as alumni? That's exactly what the Center wants from their second generation agents.

 

That's a good theory. I thought Philip was going to have a sequel to RESPECT JESUS when he found that out.

post #76 of 192
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Correct, and by now, it's over a year since she was sent back to Russia.


That's a good theory. I thought Philip was going to have a sequel to RESPECT JESUS when he found that out.

It was thought Pastor Tim was recruting Paige as well. I'll eat my hat (its nasty) if its the case, but I dont think so.
post #77 of 192

I know it was a couple of eps. back but I want to know what the hell point of Phillip's son back in Russia was? He miraculously makes it past the Iron Curtain, makes it to NYC and then D.C.  only to get on a plane and fly home. Didn't get that at all. 

 

I wonder what Tuan ordered at IHOP?

 

Are we supposed to recognize the name that Russian Rob Reiner gave to Oleg? Cause Oleg sure seem to know.. 

post #78 of 192
I assume Philip will find out about Mischa's visit somehow. Maybe through the priest? That will be the breaking point.
post #79 of 192
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Are we supposed to recognize the name that Russian Rob Reiner gave to Oleg? Cause Oleg sure seem to know.. 

I don't think we were. But I'm starting to think that the reason the internal security people are giving him such a hard time is more to do with his investigation into the food stuff than the CIA approaching him, so I'm guessing that name is someone in that organization.

post #80 of 192

There seems to be a 2-3 episode stretch each season where I find myself bored to tears. I feel like we got out of that patch with this last episode, specifically with that devastating Gabriel / Martha scene.

 

Poor Martha.

post #81 of 192

The Tuan scene really bothered me.  I'm not even sure I believed his story, but I still felt really bad for that him when the two people he's been begging for parental attention put a gun to his head. 

 

Lots of stuff involving kids this season/episode, even revisiting Kim. 

 

Kim, Tuan, Henry, Matthew, Mischa, Pasha.  Should we start a deadpool?

 

 

post #82 of 192

It's definitely been a weird season.  So far it's been a good watch, but notning stands out.

post #83 of 192
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The Tuan scene really bothered me.  I'm not even sure I believed his story, but I still felt really bad for that him when the two people he's been begging for parental attention put a gun to his head. 

 

Lots of stuff involving kids this season/episode, even revisiting Kim. 

 

Kim, Tuan, Henry, Matthew, Mischa, Pasha.  Should we start a deadpool?

 

 

 

 

The Tuan thing didn't really pay off for me. It felt flat, I was actually hoping  that they would catch him in bed with Pasha's mom. She's already having an affair, after all. 

 

As for which kid might end up biting it. My money's on Pasha. Poor kid is a mess, so it wouldn't be a stretch to see something happen to the poor guy. 

post #84 of 192
I have a suspicion that this season will end particularly big. All these balls being juggled aren't just for this season, but will bleed into the final season. Hence the significant set-up we've been experiencing.
post #85 of 192

Ahh, I didn't realize next season is the last one.  I can see the slow burn thing making sense now.

post #86 of 192

With the slow burn this season has been, I'm expecting the last couple of episodes will bring the thunder.  I wouldn't be in the least bit surprised if the season finale involves Stan finally learning the truth about the Jennings. 

 

I actually really, really hope they pull that trigger soon. It'd be kind of lame if they wait until the series finale for that reveal.... I want a good full season of a Stan that's aware he's been duped, and I want to see how he copes with it.

post #87 of 192
If and when Stan learns the truth about the Jennings, I don't see how it could not be the end of the show. Wouldn't arrests be imminent? Treason and such. Unless of course they go on on the run.
post #88 of 192
Yes, it could be like the final season of THE SHIELD. Although I don't see Phillip pulling a Shane.

He'll flip this season though.
post #89 of 192

While not as defined as Philip's, Stan has exhibited some degree of doubts about his "side".  Not that I think Stan would willingly flip to the Soviets, but I don't think he'd be as gung-ho about taking Philip down as he would have been back in season 1. Especially if Philip can get Stan to identify with him, which isn't out of the realm of feasibility IMHO.  

 

I can easily see a season where Stan is very conflicted and trying to find a way to flip the Jennings rather than destroy them.

post #90 of 192

Remember: Stan spent a long time working undercover with white supremacist shitheads.  In a lot of ways, he's walked in Philip's shoes.

post #91 of 192
Finally saw this week's episode, and it was like one blast from the past after another. Martha, Kimmy, people talking about Gaad and Nina.

I'd figured the stuff with Kimmy was long over, between not seeing or mentioning her for at least a season, and not really seeming to have anywhere to go with that once it was clear that, no, Philip wouldn't sleep with a lonely underage girl, no matter how much she wants it and how important her dad is. But no, they're still hanging out a couple years after they met (which is like a decade in teenager years), having a sad little two-person birthday party. (Poor Kimmy.)

What an odd show, you can never be sure who or what will or won't have long-term importance. ("So long, Nina, they're sending you back to Russia. Oh wait, we're still following your storyline in Russia. Oh wait, now you're dead.")
post #92 of 192
Yeah, I totally forgot about Kimmy too.

I didn't like the Gabriel/Martha scene. The acting was great, it just seemed shoehorned in and awkward. And not the good awkward.

I still don't think Phillip is going to crack. But I could finally see them doing a significant time jump seeing as we have the final season coming up. I want to see them dealing with the collapse.
post #93 of 192

"I don't want Stan to be like Martha."

 

I admit it, that choked me up momentarily.

post #94 of 192
Yeah, damn. Bit of a smackdown on Elizabeth's attitude as well.
post #95 of 192

It's as good an example as anything of the clear difference in how they're each wired. 

 

Aw Pastor Tim, that was some brutal shit in that diary. Sure, Paige shouldn't have been reading it.... but still. Spy's kid. Might wanna ixnay on that shit, dude.

 

Tim may be meeting his buddy Jesus personally sooner rather than later. 

post #96 of 192
Pastor Tim believes in Jesus. Now, he's gonna meet him.
post #97 of 192

Re: Oleg's dinner -  Been there, dude!  That awkward family dinner knows no nationality.

 

Do I sense a "face turn" for Oleg's dad, soon? I'm thinking he takes the hit, metaphorically or otherwise, to keep his son (and wife) safe. 

post #98 of 192

The character work was great as usual, but I did find myself growing impatient this episode.  I haven't minded this season's slower pace, but I'm completely against any tv show making a wedding ceremony last more than 30 seconds*, so maybe that's why it bugged me here. 

 

Though aside from the prolonged wedding, I liked all the P & E stuff this week. I was a little disappointed with Phillip's post run/EST meeting sit-down with Paige. Reminded me of that scene of P & E showing Paige a coping technique.  I thought we were leading up to something major, but instead got a scene I'm positive I've seen Michael Gross do on Family Ties.

 

It'd help if Stan had something more interesting going on.  Him not having Martha or Oleg has sort of left his storyline adrift. Here's hoping Andrea from the Walking Dead is a spy.

 

I can't get excited over the Pastor Tim thing.  I'll get all excited about it, then he'll just get a job offer and leave. 

 

I feel like this has been said the past couple of weeks, but it does seem like things are reaching a breaking point and will hopefully start escalating soon.

 

*unless it involves Bruce Willis singing Good Lovin'

post #99 of 192

It seems awful convenient to me that Tim was writing about how much he like his time in South America within a couple of pages of where he's writing about how he thinks that Philip and Elizabeth lying to Paige to protect her from what they do is worse than sexual abuse. Makes me feel like he planted it because he knows Paige is going through his diary.

 

Though I'm probably wrong, but Tim's plane is going to 'mysteriously' crash on the way to SA, because fuck him.

post #100 of 192
Christ I thought that wedding would never end.

Interesting character work, but pick up the pace guys.
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