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post #101 of 358
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Does this acknowledge (vaguely or otherwise) the classic King Kong story? Does this, other than being set in the 70s, specifically position itself as something that happened after the Kong events from the 30s? Empire State Building and all that? Whether the Fay Wray classic or the Peter Jackson movie...it doesn't matter. I'm just wondering if that's addressed at all?

I don't think so; not even vaguely. This is a rebooted origin story of Kong for the shared continuity with Edwards' Godzilla.
post #102 of 358
There might be a wink or a nod in the production design or something, but beyond that, you could walk into this not knowing what monkeys or islands were, and you'd be pretty much ok.
post #103 of 358
Ok thanks guys. Just something that crossed my mind.

Makes sense too. I figure if a giant ape (but not as giant as the one in this one from what I can tell) wreaked havoc in NY....it wouldn't be 35-40 years before people went back to where said ape came from..
post #104 of 358
I thought at first that the ship that Marlowe pointed out that had wrecked on the island "about a decade before" he got there was the ship from the original, and this was a world where that expedition never made it back.

But the ship in "Skull Island" is called the Wanderer, and the one from the '33 movie was the Venture. Disappointed in myself I had to look it up.
post #105 of 358
The decision to set this in the 70's might have been a nod to Dino De Laurentiis 1976 Kong, with photo satellites as the means by which the island is discovered and the promise of oil or other resources being the winning sales pitch that Monarch uses to secure congressional funding for the expedition.

Speaking of the '33 and '76 versions, do you know why this is the best Kong movie? Because there's no awkward racist moment where the island natives lose their damn minds at the sight of a white woman.
post #106 of 358
To be fair, I'd lose my damn mind at the sight of 1976 Jessica Lange...

But yeah, I figured the period setting was a part homage to that movie as well.
post #107 of 358
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Speaking of the '33 and '76 versions, do you know why this is the best Kong movie? Because there's no awkward racist moment where the island natives lose their damn minds at the sight of a white woman.

 

Did Jackson's version have that?  I remember everything being set off by Jack Black being too aggressive with a chocolate bar.  Although arguably Jackson's obsession with the step printing effect is at least as objectionable.

post #108 of 358
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Did Jackson's version have that?  I remember everything being set off by Jack Black being too aggressive with a chocolate bar.


IIRC, what happens after Black gets bitten by the little girl after trying to give her the chocolate is the natives come out, Watts screams, then Kong roars in response, and it seems like that's what motivates the natives - she's woken Kong, she has to be given to him.

post #109 of 358
Jack Black's presence dates that movie more than any other aspect of it. Every single thing he's in even now looks like something that's sat on the shelf since '04-'06..
post #110 of 358

I quite like Jack Black in KING KONG.  He's got the Orson Welles megalomania thing down pat.

post #111 of 358
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Jack Black's presence dates that movie more than any other aspect of it. Every single thing he's in even now looks like something that's sat on the shelf since '04-'06..

Haaa, Goosebumps.
post #112 of 358
I still prefer the '05 version to this version, but that's mostly because in the '05 version, the hero is a screenwriter.
post #113 of 358
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To be fair, I'd lose my damn mind at the sight of 1976 Jessica Lange...

But yeah, I figured the period setting was a part homage to that movie as well.

 

Brie Larson is looking quite good in this movie. So is Hiddleston.

post #114 of 358
Brie Larson has 55 acting credits on IMDB, but somehow this is the first thing I've seen her in. Just yesterday, I realized that she's the actress who made headlines by refusing to applaud Casey Affleck at the Oscars.

I'm now a fan.
post #115 of 358

I can't figure out a way to meaningfully compare this to Jackson's version because their interests and goals feel very different.

post #116 of 358
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Originally Posted by FatherDude View Post

I can't figure out a way to meaningfully compare this to Jackson's version because their interests and goals feel very different.

That's fair.
post #117 of 358

I think the fairest comparison is economy/effectiveness. PJ's Kong may give us better developed characters but for the most part, it goes nowhere and just eats up screen time. K:SI either just goes for archetypes or doesn't even bother, but also doesn't pretend for the most part that it matters. The movie knows we're there for the giant monkey and delivers in spades.

post #118 of 358
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I can't figure out a way to meaningfully compare this to Jackson's version because their interests and goals feel very different.

Exactly.  They're trying to do radically different things (and both more successfully than not, I'd argue).

 

The '33 version is still the king of them all, though.

post #119 of 358
The '33 version has a brontosaurus that eats a dude. No other movie comes close.
post #120 of 358
Herbivores didn't exist back then.

That really is pretty metal..
post #121 of 358
Driscoll is sexist as hell in the '33 version, though. Not as bad as your typical MRA today, but proto-MRA.
post #122 of 358
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Brie Larson has 55 acting credits on IMDB, but somehow this is the first thing I've seen her in. Just yesterday, I realized that she's the actress who made headlines by refusing to applaud Casey Affleck at the Oscars.

I'm now a fan.


Larson's great (and an outspoken advocate on sexual assault/violence against women issues, so it was pretty obvious throughout the season that having to keep giving prizes to Affleck was gutting her). The first thing I noticed her in was Scott Pilgrim (her Black Sheep number is, IMO, the high point of the movie), but she's building up a terrific resume (in addition to being, y'know, an Oscar winner and Captain Marvel). Short Term 12 is probably her finest performance so far- frankly, she's probably one of the best heroes of 2010s cinema in it. She's got a real Hanksian everyman quality in it.

post #123 of 358

I feel that the movie spends just a little too much time setting the stage, but I wouldn't have cut Richard Jenkins either.

 

Am now interested to read up on the production history. Are the two separated groups actually from two separate scripts?

post #124 of 358

One little nitpick....you mention giant ants but we are denied a giant ant attack? Come on now.

post #125 of 358
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One little nitpick....you mention giant ants but we are denied a giant ant attack? Come on now.

That was a ad lib by Reiley.  

post #126 of 358
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One little nitpick....you mention giant ants but we are denied a giant ant attack? Come on now.

They're being saved for the "Them!" reboot.
post #127 of 358
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That was a ad lib by Reiley.  

 

Awesome ad lib then.

post #128 of 358

It's really cool how they stripped out all of Kong's personality.

post #129 of 358

I thought they got Kong's personality just right. The Jackson version was far too sentimental-- this got back to the force-of-nature feel of the original.

 

I also like that they backed off of making Kong just a giant silverback gorilla. He was always supposed to be kind of something else.

post #130 of 358
Just got out.

Loved it right up until the baddie lizards turned up. And by the time the end of level boss appeared I'd checked out completely.

The cinematography was great but wasted on a movie where I'm wondering exactly what was caught in camera and what was built in a PC.

And Tom Hiddleson is not leading man material. He has amazing cheekbones and looks like he's toned to fuck, but by-crikey he's slight and vaporous.
post #131 of 358
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I thought they got Kong's personality just right. The Jackson version was far too sentimental-- this got back to the force-of-nature feel of the original.

 

I also like that they backed off of making Kong just a giant silverback gorilla. He was always supposed to be kind of something else.

 

That's what makes this film resonate with me is how this Kong feels like the 1933 version but he's also a bit smarter when it comes to fighting other beasts. I loved how he used the chain w/propeller in that final fight with the big Skullcrawler. Oh and that uppercut was too sweet!

 

Been thinking about this movie all day. So fucking good.

post #132 of 358
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And Tom Hiddleson is not leading man material. He has amazing cheekbones and looks like he's toned to fuck, but by-crikey he's slight and vaporous.

 

Watch "The Night Manager" mini-series with him and Hugh Laurie.  If that doesn't change your mind then nothing will.

 

As for the movie, I liked it, but its definitely a "turn off your brain" popcorn flick.  The Chinese scientist lady may as well have been a prop.  Something between this and PJ's Kong would be ideal.  Stronger characters and story, but not bloated to 3 hours.

 

Dat end credits teaser though.  Get hyyyyyyyyype!

post #133 of 358
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Watch "The Night Manager" mini-series with him and Hugh Laurie.  If that doesn't change your mind then nothing will.

Yeah I saw a bit of that and he works in that setting. But dropping him in the middle of a jungle as an ex-SAS guy? Nah.
post #134 of 358
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I thought they got Kong's personality just right. The Jackson version was far too sentimental-- this got back to the force-of-nature feel of the original.

 

He's monkey Batman here, and he's *boring*.  Even the movie isn't all that interested in him.

 

This is the movie everyone who hated GODZILLA wanted, and it just bored me.  It's a not-quite-as-interesting remake of JURASSIC PARK III.

post #135 of 358

I liked GODZILLA 2014 and this movie!

post #136 of 358

I though Kong's personality was all over the place. They establish early on how wild he is, eating and stomping on his enemies, then all of a sudden he's helping water-buffalo and diving to save Brie Larson's nothing of a character.

post #137 of 358
I think Cloverfield is a stealth cultural influence when it comes to movie monsters. The only thing that I could hold against this movie were the creatures based on that monster design that lived underneath the island. Especially the end boss being a bigger version of the sub bosses the humans had to fight. I don't think it will be a problem moving forward as Legendary seems to have the rights to Godzilla's Rogues Gallery.
post #138 of 358
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Originally Posted by MichaelM View Post
 

I liked GODZILLA 2014 and this movie!

I agree.  It is possible!

 

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I though Kong's personality was all over the place. They establish early on how wild he is, eating and stomping on his enemies, then all of a sudden he's helping water-buffalo and diving to save Brie Larson's nothing of a character.

I don't know, I thought they made it pretty clear that he protects the more peaceful species on the island, and would be content just being left alone but goes wild when threatened.  Presumably he helps Brie Larson because he saw her trying to help the water buffalo earlier in the movie.  I got a fair amount of personality and characterization from him.

post #139 of 358
They say straight out that Kong attacks the squadron because he is pissed off over the bombings, in his role of protecting the island and its inhabitants from the more horrible beasties. So those two aspects of his personality are not contradictory at all.

I guess I'd find this notion that "Skull Island"'s Kong has a missing or inconsistent personality more convincing if I thought he had much in the way of one in any King Kong movie that's been made. He's a Giant Monkey. His personality pretty much always falls within Giant Monkey parameters.
post #140 of 358
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I guess I'd find this notion that "Skull Island"'s Kong has a missing or inconsistent personality more convincing if I thought he had much in the way of one in any King Kong movie that's been made. He's a Giant Monkey. His personality pretty much always falls within Giant Monkey parameters.

I would disagree a bit.  He's been shown (at least in the '33, '76, and '05 versions) to have identifiably human emotional states, and displays a degree of intelligence greater than we usually see in giant monsters.  Kong's the thinking man's giant monster, if you will.  I think the Kong of SKULL ISLAND is mostly in line with that, and even adds the angle of being the protector of the island, which is new for the King Kong lore.

post #141 of 358

Guess we needed a 49 minute prologue with Kong parents, teaching him how to monkey climb. Maybe the best part of the giant squid. Have pops tell him with great monkey power comes great monkey responsibility. Then have giant lizard thing kill his parents on the way out of the Aurora Borealis show. I just don't understand where this giant monkey is coming from!

post #142 of 358

Ahahahah the backlash in here. So funny, and so dead wrong. That's right guys your opinions about things are wrong I tells ya!

​Okay, joking but this movie I think will almost certainly be seen by most people who watch it as better in every way to PJ Kong.

PJ Kong is great as an homage, as a film taken for itself it's dated and doesn't hold up well at all, and it's for the same reasons that were the main driving point of the film. Kong isn't an entity in that film he is a character with real feelings!

​I'll get more into it later, but the one thing I actually appreciate about this film more than previous versions of Kong is that for once the natives are portrayed with real humanity to them. They aren't just entities in the movie that kidnap the blond girl that King Kong has a hard on for, here they aren't portrayed as wild savages and for all that PJ Kong was it did romanticize racism in the 1930's and that wasn't actually very cool in a film with so much detail put into bringing the world to life it just ignores that very apparent aspect of the world with no commentary.

​Although on the flip side, what doesn't hold up so well here is the action adventure side of the movie, yes it's all shot very well and the action isn't bad by any means but the film has a really serious tone. And that would have been fine if they embraced that side of it, I mean the trailers really gave the impression that they were amping up the social commentary and Vietnam-with-monsters setting and all that ended up being very slight in the actual film.

​ PJ Kong is overindulgent and far too oversentimental but it's always going for fun. I think this film's flaw is that it never really takes the time to have fun, doesn't even really take time to breath and explore the world it's trying to set up. And mostly it's always trying to be way too serious, which is saying something giving it's short running time.
 


Edited by Itsnotatumor - 3/13/17 at 2:12am
post #143 of 358
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Originally Posted by MichaelM View Post
 

I liked GODZILLA 2014 and this movie!

 

Same here. This movie was made for a specific audience in mind and it succeeded beyond my wildest expectations.

post #144 of 358
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I would disagree a bit.  He's been shown (at least in the '33, '76, and '05 versions) to have identifiably human emotional states, and displays a degree of intelligence greater than we usually see in giant monsters.  Kong's the thinking man's giant monster, if you will.  I think the Kong of SKULL ISLAND is mostly in line with that, and even adds the angle of being the protector of the island, which is new for the King Kong lore.

That's more or less what I was saying. He's generally shown to have the basic run of emotions plus a degree of primate intelligence. Likes the ladies, clearly... I don't see where his portrayal here breaks with any of that either.
post #145 of 358
People who like movies centered on characters without personalities? Movies with fights between mediocre monsters rendered via average-at best FX? Both audiences?
post #146 of 358
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People who like movies centered on characters without personalities? Movies with fights between mediocre monsters rendered via average-at best FX? Both audiences?

 

How else do you explain LOGAN's success? :D

post #147 of 358
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How else do you explain LOGAN's success? :D

 

30+ year old men who are too into superhero bullshit. 

post #148 of 358
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30+ year old men who are too into superhero bullshit. 

 

And a passable Wolverine movie filled with blood and guts so they can say "Finally they got it right! Best movie ever!"

post #149 of 358
Are there a lot of people angry about Logan? I had no idea. Gotta check that thread.

I don't think this can really be meaningfully evaluated on the spectrum of all King Kong movies this very weekend.
post #150 of 358
I enjoyed it as a really pretty monster movie fluff, but I agree that the movie really doesn't breathe

feels really desperate to entertain in some sort of course correction from dullzilla (of which I only had a problem with the dull human characters, not the treatment and teasing of the monster itself)

but hoooooboy! I can see what was meant when they said that dullzilla comes across like it cared about its character development compared to this movie! a'haw!

got to see it in 70mm and it was really nice! added to the superficial period feel! pretty!
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