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post #51 of 358
The moment where Old Crotchety Veteran With Grenades gets swatted across the clearing with his grenades still in his hands was a terrific swerve.

That scene was so damn funny!

post #52 of 358
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Liked this. Good pulpy fun. That helicopter sequence is genuinely great. I'm also a fan of cheap allegory in my sci-fi adventure, and there was plenty of that.

Agree that neither Hiddleston and Larson serve much purpose except looking pretty. They probably could've been combined into one outsider POV character, but you have to give everybody in the audience a little somethin' somethin'.

I liked how they spent their one PG-13 F-bomb on Reilly's throwaway line, "It sounds like a bird, but it's a fuckin' ant" in a movie that has Sam Jackson in it.

Vogt-Roberts did a Q&A after my screening, and he said that entire giant ant thing was a Reilly improv - he was just riffing. Same with when the whole "I'm not gonna stab ya" thing where he was freaking out John Ortiz.

post #53 of 358
It sounded like an ad lib. Glad they kept it-- maybe my biggest laugh.

(My wife's was Jackson's "Bitch, please" to Larson, for some reason.)

Anything else of note from the Q&A?
post #54 of 358
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Well, Vogt-Roberts was joined by Jason Mitchell, who got the job by inviting Vogt-Roberts to the premiere of Straight Outta Compton and, per Mitchell, using that as his "audition piece". Vogt-Roberts got a lot of questions about video games and anime (there was this weird tangent where he kept getting asked about Akira and what he thought would make a good film adaptation of Akira, even though the game adaptation he's currently working on is Metal Gear). Also, he has a real-life wizard beard.

 

Anyways, he talked about not wanting to directly include a lot of the big traditional Kong moments (the romance, the Empire State building, etc.) but to still pay homage to them (hence the moment in the chains in the final fight with the Skullcrawler), and how Jackson's Kong and Jurassic World made him decide not to include living dinos in this, instead trying to get unique monsters. He claimed that if someone took a look at concept design of the monsters and said it reminded them of something else, it was thrown out - so I bit back my question about whether or not the Skullcrawlers were based on the two-legged lizard that briefly menaces Jack Driscoll after the log scene in the original Kong.

 

He also talked about how for a long time there wasn't a post credits scene, they tried a lot of different things for the post-credits scene after having shot the one that ended up in the film during original production, and then it was only added back in the last few weeks of filming. In terms of improv, Reilly did a lot of improv, as did Mitchell and Shea Whigham, and it seems like there were a lot of shots where Vogt-Roberts and Larry Fong were just grabbing everything they could when the light was right - they were really shooting out in the jungles of Vietnam. Vogt-Roberts also kept talking about how weird the film was, and how we should tell everyone that it's weird and not what you'd expect.

post #55 of 358
I liked the meta aspect of the post credits

"You're still out there, sitting in the dark" ... "can we just finish this, I want to go home".
post #56 of 358
I just knew that ant line was improv . . . its the one line of dialogue that's stuck with me so I'm happy to see that confirmed.

Helicopter attack was amazeballs . . . truly amazeballs. Brieddleston was wasted and possibly uncomfortable with Reilly's improvised moments? The Skullcrawlers were awful boss villians . . . whoever said uninspired up thread nailed it. It's like Vogt was impressed with the lizard that chases Naomi Watts through the log in Jackson's Kong and only wanted to try to top that.

It's funny how the first silhouette is precise, and that others are these vague children's drawings. That last one is an end of the world prophecy. Also, terribly unscientific (and thoughtless!) not to label those photos with the location they were taken. I mean, you're only building a cinematic universe, guys.

I'm very much hoping that Godzilla 2 is in reality a stealth Mothra movie. Get weird.
post #57 of 358

Pour one out for Anguirus. How does Rodan get invited to this shit?

post #58 of 358
He headlined his own picture once back in the day. Rumor is he hates the work but cant get anything else (he turned down Colossal), and is a total dick on set.
Edited by Turingmachine75 - 3/11/17 at 8:29pm
post #59 of 358

I had a total blast with this.  All the criticisms leveled at it about the writing of the characters and sluggish midsection are totally valid, but damn is the good stuff really good.  Kong's first big setpiece will surely still be one of my favorite sequences of 2017 at the end of the year.  Loved the huge body count, loved the variety of creatures on display, loved the cinematography and the way Vogt-Roberts stages some of the sequences.  His shot compositions are frequently quite striking, he's clearly a director who knows the value of inserts, and he manages to bring a bit of personality to this that I felt was totally in keeping with the monster mash sensibility.  And even though the characters on the page are nothing special, I did genuinely like all the performers involved.  They make the best of things.


Edited by Belloq87 - 3/11/17 at 9:02pm
post #60 of 358

Bottom line: this was breezy, giant monster fun that's fucking great on the big screen. (The movie itself isn't what I would classify as great but the experience of seeing 100 foot Kong tear the world a new asshole on the big screen - that was great.)

 

Kong is really well done. The effects are top notch, and he's mythic and animalistic while being more than just a giant ape. 

 

Tons of nice touches. The movie's paced quite well, though, as Bradito said, it sags just a little in the middle. Zero monster fights in the rain at night, so it has that going for it.

 

Despite being both being a giant monster movie, it felt very different from 2014's Godzilla. I don't know if I could pick which I prefer; I think it would just depend on my mood. 

post #61 of 358

I was kinda hoping we'd get a giant ant sequence...

post #62 of 358
Yeah, the primary mythic protector status it gave Kong was done well enough I'm interested in seeing him in the Roddy Piper role of George Nada slugging it out with Godzilla as Keith David's Frank Armitage to get him to just put on the fucking glasses.
post #63 of 358

The thinly drawn characters are the obvious (and valid) complaint. I do think another one or two drafts of the script could've fixed that.

 

That said, I kinda loved the new Kong myth shown here. It has all the big elements in place while also weaving something a bit different for this version, and the location shoot (and what I assume were digitally composed landscape shots) helped give this its own feel. I really liked the worldbuilding on display here; it's on par with John Wick in that there's a lot here that's either just thrown at us or introduced visually and left for the viewer to fill in. 

post #64 of 358

Kong chomping down that squid brought a smile to my face.

post #65 of 358
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Kong chomping down that squid brought a smile to my face.

 

It was a very natural character moment that we needed to see that Kong wasn't simply some blind rage-beast.  He takes time to enjoy things (something we also see when he's looking at the aurora).

post #66 of 358

Also him carefully touching his wounds and drinking some water.

 

Pre-ordered the novelization and will be receiving it next week. Hopeful it'll give me some new details.

post #67 of 358
The thinly drawn characters here were a damn sight better than the ones in Godzilla '14. I've never revisited that movie, though I liked it. I could see myself watching this again for sure.

Really more interested than an adult man should be in this Cinematic Kaijuniverse* that they're (re)building here. Surely there's not going to be an all-new standalone Mothra movie? With those tiny twins and everything ("Mosura ay Mosura!")? That would be a trip.


*If I actually just coined that stupid term, I want a nickel every time someone uses it.
post #68 of 358

This is so much better than Dullzilla 14 that it isn't even funny.

 

I am in for a Mothra movie as well.

post #69 of 358
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The thinly drawn characters are the obvious (and valid) complaint. I do think another one or two drafts of the script could've fixed that.

That said, I kinda loved the new Kong myth shown here. It has all the big elements in place while also weaving something a bit different for this version, and the location shoot (and what I assume were digitally composed landscape shots) helped give this its own feel. I really liked the worldbuilding on display here; it's on par with John Wick in that there's a lot here that's either just thrown at us or introduced visually and left for the viewer to fill in. 

I think Jackson and Reilly are given the most complete arcs, to the extent that this movie's characters have them. Jackson's colonel character is clearly meant to be a tribute of sorts to Martin Brando's Kurtz in Apocalypse Now, and Jackson does a good job stepping into that role. I expected to dislike Reilly based on some of the grating comedy in the trailers, but it actually works with context. His relationship with the deceased Japanese pilot is touching, and I was legitimately tearing up when he said "Death before dishonor" in Japanese. That video montage over the credits was damn effective too. There certainly weren't many dry eyes in my theater.

Hiddleston's got charm, but he doesn't come off as well. I can tell you that Conrad is stoic and handsome, but that's about it. Larson's Weaver is more effective because she's at least given a basic relationship with Kong, which hints at the character's past dynamic with Ann Darrow while wising avoiding a repeat of it. Now compare these characters with Jack Black in Peter Jackson's Kong. He spends the movie being a completely unlikable asshole who puts everyone else in danger, but it's a characterization that Black and the film are firmly committed to. He makes a real impression because he spends the film chasing after a specific goal with everything he's got. Hiddleston and Larson are just along for the ride, and the film can never really decide on what their role in this journey is supposed to be. Honestly, one of the characters should have been cut out.
post #70 of 358
I listened to Mark Kermode's review and he likened Hiddleston's character to the type Doug McClure used to play. There to be the square-jawed hero and not much else. That's about right.

Come to think of it, Brie Larson's pretty square-jawed for a girl. Still cute, though.
post #71 of 358
This is better than Jackson's movie.

I remain undecided about how it stacks against the 1976 version.
post #72 of 358
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This is better than Jackson's movie.

Agreed, I found the Jackson one mind meltingly tedious.

Kong upper cutting the big beastie with the propeller knuckle duster was a huge crowd cheering moment. Can't remember anything like that in Jackson's one.
post #73 of 358

For me, nothing in this tops Kong ice skating in Central Park. This is one beautifully shot film, but it's lacking an emotional core beyond some moments with Reilly. Jackson spent his childhood in awe of the original film, and that childlike fascination can be felt throughout his adaptation. It's got some low lows for sure, but also higher highs.

post #74 of 358
I couldn't get through Kong '76 on rewatch. My hot take is that this is the best of them all except for KONG '33 with Kong 2005 very close behind and Kong '76 way behind in fourth place.

I will say that in terms of Kong as a character, KONG '05 might be the best. Serkis did some real magic there.
post #75 of 358
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Agreed, I found the Jackson one mind meltingly tedious.

Kong upper cutting the big beastie with the propeller knuckle duster was a huge crowd cheering moment. Can't remember anything like that in Jackson's one.

The Kong vs Dinosaurs sequence in the center of the film is full of them. It's a really good scene, almost Tintin style action.
post #76 of 358
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This is better than Jackson's movie.

I remain undecided about how it stacks against the 1976 version.

Considering the 76 version is garbage and Jackson's version is at least respectful of the 1933 film, I'm confused.
post #77 of 358
My feeling is that "Skull Island" is closer to the spirit and energy of the original than either remake is capable of being. I find Jackson's awe for the original that Draco mentions stifling in his version. This is much more a work of freewheeling imagination.
post #78 of 358

It's fun seeing the differing perspectives on the various Kong outings!  Here's how I'd rank them if pressed at this moment.

 

1.  KING KONG (1933) - A flat-out masterpiece.

2.  KING KONG (2005) - Reverent in a way that I find appealing, and all the money's up on the screen.  A gorgeous production.

3.  KONG: SKULL ISLAND (2017) - See my thoughts above.

4.  SON OF KONG (1933) - Oddly structured, but has that same Willis O'Brien charm.

5.  KING KONG (1976) - All over the place, but packed with some fine moments and a great score.  I do find Kong's death here truly unpleasant to the point that it hurts the movie.

6.  KING KONG VS. GODZILLA (1962) - Surprisingly dull except when the monsters are on screen.

7.  KING KONG ESCAPES (1967) - Kooky and goofy, but enjoyable.

8.  KING KONG LIVES (1986) - Dreck.  Only partially redeemed by another good score.

post #79 of 358
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The Kong vs Dinosaurs sequence in the center of the film is full of them. It's a really good scene, almost Tintin style action.

Both that and the ice skating sequence did little to nothing for me. The "beauty and the beast" stuff bored me and coloured everything..

Having said that, at Weta Workshop there is a bronze statue of Kong fighting the dinosaurs that is a thing of beauty.
post #80 of 358
Loved it (did not expect to)! Kids loved it! Some amazing cinematography and lots of surprising moments.

"Bitch, please" brought down the house.
post #81 of 358
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I kinda loved the new Kong myth shown here.

Again, yeah . . . and that's a way to get to how you portray a 100' tall ape facing off against a 350' lizard - make him knowledgeable enough to be terrified . . . we need to know that he knows he doesn't have a chance in hell of surviving, let alone steering Godzilla towards any course of action . . . but Kong has a strong case of E.O. Wilson's 'biophilia', and he also knows (apes are cognitive as fuck, yo) that failure means the end of everything he desires to protect. Bonus points if there is a giant telepathic insect screaming that exact thing into his mind the whole time . . . even exposing him to the true size and scope of the world (see how much there is to love and protect!) and the apocalyptic consequences of Ghidorah's arrival.
Edited by Turingmachine75 - 3/12/17 at 12:18am
post #82 of 358
Thread Starter 

Oh, one other thing from the Q&A: the Kong vs. Squid fight was an Oldboy homage. Vogt-Roberts loves South Korean cinema (calls it the best in the world right now), and one of his favorite moments in the course of making this was showing that scene to Park Chan-Wook, and getting his approval.

post #83 of 358
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The post-credits thing didn't get much response at my screening; I think people were confused by what the scrawled silhouettes were meant to represent.

Except that one guy clapping furiously as each one was revealed. That guy was who this was made for.

 

That was probably me. Ha! Pure kaiju fan overload!

 

I loved the sweet hairy bejeezus out of this. Kong does not fuck around when you get on his turf. Holy shit. 

 

Hey, I know LOGAN is good and all but this was the movie I was waiting for and it delivered big time.

 

This and the 1933 original are my favorite KONGs. No slight against PJs at all but honestly? This was a better Kong than his.

post #84 of 358

I think my favorite Kong moment was when he strips a tree-trunk to make a giant spear. Getting his paw swallowed by that one monster and then pulling its guts out was pretty boss too.

 

Was disappointed that the bigger helicopters didn't see more action.


Edited by Hammerhead - 3/12/17 at 3:05am
post #85 of 358
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Again, yeah . . . and that's a way to get to how you portray a 100' tall ape facing off against a 350' lizard - make him knowledgeable enough to be terrified . . . we need to know that he knows he doesn't have a chance in hell of surviving, let alone steering Godzilla towards any course of action . . . but Kong has a strong case of E.O. Wilson's 'biophilia', and he also knows (apes are cognitive as fuck, yo) that failure means the end of everything he desires to protect. Bonus points if there is a giant telepathic insect screaming that exact thing into his mind the whole time . . . even exposing him to the true size and scope of the world (see how much there is to love and protect!) and the apocalyptic consequences of Ghidorah's arrival.

Remember Marlow said he's still growing.

post #86 of 358
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I think my favorite Kong moment was when he strips a tree-trunk to make a giant spear. Getting his paw swallowed by that one monster and then pulling its guts out was pretty boss too.

 

Was disappointed that the bigger helicopters didn't see more action.

I love beginning of the scene when a tree flies right into the helicopter.  And the Nixon bobblehead was great.

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This is better than Jackson's movie.

I remain undecided about how it stacks against the 1976 version.

Considering the 76 version is garbage and Jackson's version is at least respectful of the 1933 film, I'm confused.

 

I'm sure some nostalgia is coloring my view, but I don't think the '76 version is garbage. It's not perfect, either. It's the first movie I ever saw on my own at the theater (at the precious age of 8), it's the first movie I ever followed pre-production buzz about, but over and above that: it actually forged new ground vs. the 1933 version. The original Kong has the titular big guy almost as nothing but more monster, while the '76 version has us on his side, and makes his death a genuine tragedy. I also think the screenplay actively has more going on that just the story, as an active critique of the energy crisis and consumption issues of the 1970s.

 

The two sequences most talked about from PJ's version - the V-Rex fight and the frozen pond lark - are wonderful bits of cinema, but they're unfortunately small nuggets of gold buried deep under layers of suppurating fat.

 

Still thinking about Kong: Skull Island, but at this point, my main complaint is the overuse of pop music (of the time period) cues. I do wish the characters had been drawn more distinctly but the movie is so much fun that I can let that go.

post #88 of 358

Also, another reason to really like this movie: not a single sequence takes place in the rain. And except for one sequence (ALSO NOT IN THE RAIN), every scene with Kong takes place during bright daylight.

 

Take that, Pacific Rim. And even Godzilla 2014, which I still love.

post #89 of 358
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Also, another reason to really like this movie: not a single sequence takes place in the rain. And except for one sequence (ALSO NOT IN THE RAIN), every scene with Kong takes place during bright daylight.

 

Take that, Pacific Rim. And even Godzilla 2014, which I still love.

I like Godzilla 2014 and re-watched it for the first time since 2014 and it really holds up well and is better then I remember.  

 

edit:  Also loved the Scene when Marlow is leaving on the boat and says goodbye to the natives and has a tear in his eye.  Good scene.

post #90 of 358

JCR is really the MVP of K:SI. Sort of a weird production/writing process that resulted in the quirky supporting character being the most fully realized one, but the film's better for his presence and performance.

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JCR is really the MVP of K:SI. Sort of a weird production/writing process that resulted in the quirky supporting character being the most fully realized one, but the film's better for his presence and performance.

Yep.  And the point that his advisory become friends and wouldn't leave the island without each other and uses his sword.  All great touches.

post #92 of 358

We took our kids yesterday. Ages 7, 8, 9. They loved it. My youngest actually got pretty psyched over the final Kong battle with the Skull thing. He was sitting up in his seat throwing punches like he was there, it was hilarious.

 

There's a few scares and creepy moments (hello giant spider thing) that they jumped at, but you should have no problems taking them. If you let them watch the Jurassic Park series, they should be fine. There's more action in this than the last Jurassic film FYI. It's pretty non stop. We had a great time and they were all talking about it after it was done. 

post #93 of 358
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We took our kids yesterday. Ages 7, 8, 9. They loved it. My youngest actually got pretty psyched over the final Kong battle with the Skull thing. He was sitting up in his seat throwing punches like he was there, it was hilarious.

 

There's a few scares and creepy moments (hello giant spider thing) that they jumped at, but you should have no problems taking them. If you let them watch the Jurassic Park series, they should be fine. There's more action in this than the last Jurassic film FYI. It's pretty non stop. We had a great time and they were all talking about it after it was done. 

We took our kids yesterday. Ages 7, 8, 9. They loved it. My youngest actually got pretty psyched over the final Kong battle with the Skull thing. He was sitting up in his seat throwing punches like he was there, it was hilarious.

 

There's a few scares and creepy moments (hello giant spider thing) that they jumped at, but you should have no problems taking them. If you let them watch the Jurassic Park series, they should be fine. There's more action in this than the last Jurassic film FYI. It's pretty non stop. We had a great time and they were all talking about it after it was done. 

post #94 of 358
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Thinking of taking my kids to this.

OK for a 7 and 11 year old?

Edit: the 11 year old has watched 'zilla, Dredd and Terminator so she'll be right.

We took our kids yesterday. Ages 7, 8, 9. They loved it. My youngest actually got pretty psyched over the final Kong battle with the Skull thing. He was sitting up in his seat throwing punches like he was there, it was hilarious.

 

There's a few scares and creepy moments (hello giant spider thing) that they jumped at, but you should have no problems taking them. If you let them watch the Jurassic Park series, they should be fine. There's more action in this than the last Jurassic film FYI. It's pretty non stop. We had a great time and they were all talking about it after it was done. 

post #95 of 358

That's a epic triple post and quoted yourself.  Bravo!

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That's a epic triple post and quoted yourself.  Bravo!

Pretty awesome, if I can say so meself!

 

I messed up my quote reply, messaged mod to delete those. It's been awhile since I've posted here and I had to redo my profile since I don't have my email anymore for my original name. 

post #97 of 358

I'm surprised nobody mentioned Joe Johnston yet.  This basically feels like if JURASSIC PARK III was more pitiless and bloodthirsty.  And yes, that is a huge compliment.

post #98 of 358
Seems like this would be a great one for kids, to be sure. I would have loved it at 8.
post #99 of 358
I just wanna know one thing (cue Bradito coming in here to chew my ass for being in spots release thread without having see the film).

Does this acknowledge (vaguely or otherwise) the classic King Kong story? Does this, other than being set in the 70s, specifically position itself as something that happened after the Kong events from the 30s? Empire State Building and all that? Whether the Fay Wray classic or the Peter Jackson movie...it doesn't matter. I'm just wondering if that's addressed at all?
post #100 of 358

Nope, it's basically an alternate universe where the expedition to the island takes place in the 70s instead of the 30s.

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