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post #101 of 260

I gotta give some love to E.T. for best cinematography in a Spielberg film.

 

In college, I did an entire report on the cinematography, highlighting the use of primarily exterior lighting throughout the film to create tension and mood. I would personally consider it among the genre of dark childrens tales, like the old Brother Grimm tales. It's got a bit of a dark whimsy to it. It's contradictions are what make it such a fascinating film to study for me. The lighting is so dark and mise-en-scene, using a lot of back lighting on the characters, but the story itself is so charming and heart warming and William's score is instantly recognizable. In college, I did an entire report on the cinematography alone, highlighting the use of primarily exterior lighting throughout the film to create tension and mood. I would personally consider it among the genre of dark childrens tales, like the old Brother Grimm tales. It's got a bit of a dark whimsy to it. It's contradictions are what make it such a fascinating film to study for me. The lighting is so dark and mise-en-scene, using a lot of back lighting on the characters, but the story itself is so charming and heart warming and William's score is instantly recognizable.

post #102 of 260

Close Encounters is the best-shot Spielberg film. I mean...

 

 

What he and Zsigmond do with light in this film is beyond words. And until the end, it's basically all done with light. Even in the shots where you can see the ships, the emphasis is on the light obscuring them, keeping them as a mysterious presence. It's gorgeously suggestive and rich work, insinuating, threatening, and alluring all at once.

 

 

 

Anyways, Spielberg has locked final cut on The Post and it's ready to come out this Christmas. The man continues to be the goddamn Road Runner  when it comes to finishing films quickly.

http://www.indiewire.com/2017/11/steven-spielberg-the-post-ready-player-one-ben-mendelsohn-arthur-miller-writer-1201895214/

post #103 of 260

The trailer for this just premiered on Colbert, so I imagine it'll be online shortly. 

 

Liked that Odenkirk seems to have a sizeable role.

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post #105 of 260

Looks like Bridge of Spies 2.0

post #106 of 260
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Originally Posted by Mola Ram View Post
 

Looks like Bridge of Spies 2.0

 

Which also had an "Eeeeehhhh..." trailer. The film itself was great. I have no doubt that will be the case with The Post.

 

But Nolan can rest easy. That Oscar is still his.

post #107 of 260

Spielberg will always (always) have the benefit of the doubt from me...

 

... but I'm not really feeling it!  This could so easily be preachy and self-important if calibrated wrong. 

 

And why the generic trailer music?!  Williams is done with the score, let's hear some of it!

post #108 of 260
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Spielberg will always (always) have the benefit of the doubt from me...

 

... but I'm not really feeling it!  This could so easily be preachy and self-important if calibrated wrong. 

 

And why the generic trailer music?!  Williams is done with the score, let's hear some of it!

 

Said it before and say it again. It's this year's Charlie Wilson's Wars/Dreamgirls. It's too "preordained" for its own good. Everyone just looked at the plot synopsis and who was involved and immediately said "OSCAR!" 

post #109 of 260

I love Bridge of Spies but in some ways this looks like Spielberg is having more "fun." Difficult to explain. Mostly due to the supporting cast which is almost entirely from television. 

 

It's not exactly a great trailer... But I also thought the Lincoln trailer was kind of disjointed... the Bridge of Spies trailers were considerably better, and I loved the second one with the emphasis on "Standing Man"... And Lincoln is a phenomenal film.

 

Bob Odenkirk, Matthew Rhys, Carrie Coon and others appear to be enjoying themselves, too.

post #110 of 260

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post #111 of 260

Totally agree.

 

I doubt this film gets a second trailer. Not enough time. This is more like Munich with the "rushed" element to it. 

 

I think just plastering baby boomers with "Streep + Hanks + Spielberg + timely subject matter" is pretty much where Fox is going to have to concentrate its focus. 

 

Also agree that Christopher Nolan probably has Best Director in the bag for Dunkirk but Best Picture still feels a little bit up-in-the-air to me... 

post #112 of 260
Looks like I’ll like it, but I’d be lying if I said it looked great. Very much a chamber piece. Maybe a bit like Spotlight with approximately 60% more Hollywood veneer.

Already looks like one of those Best Picture nominees that has no real shot.
post #113 of 260

Aside from a few really strong scenes with Liev Schreiber and Michael Keaton, and the always-excellent Stanley Tucci, I didn't care much for Spotlight

 

That said, I do think that that film's recency will hurt this one unless it truly separates itself. Which I think it very well might. Some trailers make films look far better than they end up being (American Gangster instantly comes to mind, a film whose trailer made it look like "the black Godfather with a potent side of Heat to go with it") but some trailers, in going for the broad strokes, tend to miss on the million nuances that make a truly fine film sing, like Lincoln.


Edited by NoirHeaven - 11/7/17 at 11:29pm
post #114 of 260

I have no doubt it had good intentions. But Spotlight was boring and up its own ass. Film is a visual medium - show, don't tell. But all Spotlight did was talk about how important it was instead of us seeing for ourselves or better yet, putting a human face on the victims affected by those priests and the church that protected them. On the other hand that very same year, The Big Short was more topical, had a personality and a seething anger that leaped off the screen. 

post #115 of 260
heheheh big short was awful

the personality it had was a hodgepodge of every 'cool' art film trick in order to hide how insecure it was about the fact that it was a glorified powerpoint presentation

McKay did better with the end credits of THE OTHER GUYS
post #116 of 260

Well... I mean if we're talking about what McKay did better with The Other Guys...

 

post #117 of 260
there goes my hero

much better than steve carrell's awful performance in big short
post #118 of 260
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heheheh big short was awful

the personality it had was a hodgepodge of every 'cool' art film trick in order to hide how insecure it was about the fact that it was a glorified powerpoint presentation

McKay did better with the end credits of THE OTHER GUYS

 

 

The Big Short is a great film with excellent character work by both the screenwriters and the actors. 

post #119 of 260

I wouldn't say it was a mindblowing piece of cinema but I thought Spotlight was pretty solid and at least had a fairly natural feel to it, whereas this seems to be all big names in awkward wigs making speeches about principles.

 

I dunno. Maybe it'll be great, but if the point of making this now was to make a topical statement about the importance of journalistic integrity, I don't know if the best way to do it is by wallowing in a completely different journalistic era, complete with shots of physical papers flying off the presses. I'm sure there are great movies to be made about journalism in the 21st century, I think I'd rather see one of those than another cozy tale of the golden age of 20th century newsrooms.

 

That said, I do kind of like how Spielberg has been quietly building up his own personal history of the US through his period movies, so it makes sense he'd eventually do his take on the Watergate era.

post #120 of 260

They are gonna come out in DROVES for this movie.

 

The senior citizens, that is.

 

Sorry if age-ist, but every time I see Spielberg doing his slick brand of self-important and semi-serious, I can't help but picture all the older people that I end up sitting in the theater with. That and people who look like they listen exclusively to NPR.

 

This looks fairly awful, but certainly the way the trailer was cut and the music chosen did it zero favors.

 

Sidenote: the Ready Player One trailer made me envision a theater full of pre-disgruntled fanboys. I include myself in that one.

post #121 of 260
The trailer looks phoney. I can tell there’s a better production here, but it’s covered in candy coated chocolate for the masses to eat up. I quite like that shot of Nixon’s back facing us as he’s messing about inside the White House window.

But watching this trailer is reminding me of why I can’t stand pretentious fare.
post #122 of 260

I'd imagine the trailer was cut in this way to cater to the very demographic you're describing. The trailer for Bridge of Spies was cut the same way and the movie was quite different in feel and tone. 

post #123 of 260

Yeah, like, I fucking hated the marketing for Bridge of Spies. To me, it looked like the worst of Boomer Americana - ra-ra pap about how we do things right here, and wasn't it a wonderful time when white guys stood up for people? Oh, and maybe Danny Huston and Hanx talk about their fathers, because it's Spielberg? I was gonna give that a hard pass in the theater, until I was unemployed and had MoviePass. 

 

Turns out it was much more nuanced, subtle, and entertaining than the marketing made it look, and I'd say it's one of latter-day Spielberg's best. 

post #124 of 260

As for the actual POST trailer - I think it looks good! Yes, there's one very, very obvious clunker of a line that screams THIS IS ABOUT TRUMP ("If the government wins, The Washington Post will cease to exist."), but I certainly think it's better than the Bridge or even the RPO marketing. I really enjoy Spielberg when he's in "minimalist historical" mode (Bridge, Munich, Lincoln), and Hanks in particular is looking like he's having a ton of fun playing Bradlee. It looks like he's really drawing from his time playing a newspaperman on Broadway for Nora Ephron's last play, and the combination of voice and physicality is fascinating to me - it's the first in a long time that Hanks has looked tall

 

But then, I'm a journalism movie junkie and I'll watch Spotlight for "fun", so I'm on board. 

post #125 of 260

Looks timely and well made.  It also makes me want to watch ALL THE PRESIDENT'S MEN again, and unfortunately, the new film is going to get compared to that older film in every single review, and I predict that it will come up wanting.

post #126 of 260

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post #127 of 260

After watching the Spielberg documentary, I'm fascinated by the idea that one of the Beard's main concerns is "civic order and the rule of law." This manifests in Amadeus, Lincoln and Bridge of Spies, and appears to be on the menu with The Post.

 

The idea of newspapers being the fourth branch of government seems to be something Spielberg wants to remind people about. 

post #128 of 260
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This poster is better than the trailer.  Pretty striking image.

 

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The idea of newspapers being the fourth branch of government seems to be something Spielberg wants to remind people about. 

And if he can do that in an engaging and nuanced way, this material could be a great vehicle for that.  But if he goes too far into easy, self-righteous, finger-wagging mode, that's going to turn a lot of average movie-goers off and have a fairly narrow appeal.  I believe he's smarter than that, though. 

post #129 of 260

I like how that poster is reminiscent both of the lines of type used to print a newspaper page and the redaction lines you see in classified documents.

post #130 of 260
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But if he goes too far into easy, self-righteous, finger-wagging mode, that's going to turn a lot of average movie-goers off and have a fairly narrow appeal. 

 

ala TRUTH.  I don't care who you are or what your political persuasion is, that film is a botch.  

post #131 of 260

I'm hard-pressed to think of any time Spielberg has wagged his fingers at people. Fuck, people got upset that he humanized the Munich terrorists.

post #132 of 260
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ala TRUTH.  I don't care who you are or what your political persuasion is, that film is a botch.  


TRUTH, LIONS FOR LAMBS, RENDITION...  Things of that ilk.

 

But again, this is Steven Spielberg.  He's NEVER made a movie anywhere close to as bad as those.  I refuse to believe he would start now just because a zeitgeisty, "relevant" project came together quickly.

post #133 of 260
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I'm hard-pressed to think of any time Spielberg has wagged his fingers at people.

 

E.T. had it in spades.

post #134 of 260
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E.T. had it in spades.

 

Really? Don't kill tubby little aliens?

 

EDIT: I'm an idiot.


Edited by Jacob Singer - 11/8/17 at 9:21am
post #135 of 260

Well, E.T. himself kind of wagged fingers at people...

 

 

...

 

But yeah, E.T.: THE EXTRA-TERRESTRIAL is not a movie I would ever define as in any way "preachy" or "moralizing" in the most uncharitable definitions of those terms.

post #136 of 260
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After watching the Spielberg documentary, I'm fascinated by the idea that one of the Beard's main concerns is "civic order and the rule of law." This manifests in Amadeus, Lincoln and Bridge of Spies, and appears to be on the menu with The Post.

 

 

 

For a second I was legitimately wondering what role Spielberg had in Milos Forman's Amadeus, and then realized you meant Amistad, haha.

post #137 of 260
This looks like propaganda for the free press.

And it has Meryl Streep in it.

Yuck.
post #138 of 260

Everything about the Streep and Hanks interactions here just rubs me the wrong way. It feels really smug. The trailer as a whole is very "Hi, I'm The Post, and I'm a historical, political Spielberg film, AND I AM IMPORTANT AND TIMELY."

 

I am sure it is much better in context, but yeah, I really don't care for movies where you can feel the writers' writing and you can tell that the whole ensemble thinks they are doing something super great when it's actually something pretty typical and average, fundamentally. not saying The Post is, I don't know, but I definitely get that smarmy vibe of "look at us with our dialogue and our acting and our period clothes and our WIGS!"

post #139 of 260
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This looks like propaganda for the free press.

 

I just can't parse this sentence.

post #140 of 260
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For a second I was legitimately wondering what role Spielberg had in Milos Forman's Amadeus, and then realized you meant Amistad, haha.

You know what, I'm not even going to fix it. I'm owning this typo.

post #141 of 260

I prefer my trailers proclaim their irrelevance and outdatedness.

post #142 of 260
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TRUTH, LIONS FOR LAMBS, RENDITION...  Things of that ilk.

 

But again, this is Steven Spielberg.  He's NEVER made a movie anywhere close to as bad as those.  I refuse to believe he would start now just because a zeitgeisty, "relevant" project came together quickly.

 

Oh sure, those films could have benefited from even Spielberg at his worst. They were definitely missing some Bob Hoskins as Smee.

post #143 of 260
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They were definitely missing some Bob Hoskins as Smee.

It would have made them more entertaining, at the very least.

post #144 of 260
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I prefer my trailers proclaim their irrelevance and outdatedness.

 

What I'm saying is it's making a big deal about itself, but it LOOKS like a really obvious and not especially insightful or original movie.

 

Like I said, that's just impressions from a trailer. Hopefully the film itself strikes a different tone, or actually has the substance to measure up to its pretenses.

post #145 of 260
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It would have made them more entertaining, at the very least.

 

Always maintained Hook should have been made by Terry Gilliam.

post #146 of 260
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Always maintained Hook should have been made by Terry Gilliam.


That would have been interesting, although that would have meant sacrificing John Williams' score, which is one of his absolute best.

post #147 of 260

Returning to the cinematography discussion from before, I have to say, the trailer shots seem pretty different from Janusz' usual work with Spielberg. Can't quite peg it... almost looks like a cross between old-school Spielberg and modern, prestige-picture Spielberg. Or The Terminal and Lincoln. Don't especially love the look. Though that shot mentioned before through the window and a couple shots with the papers being thrown were kind of cool.

post #148 of 260
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I just can't parse this sentence.

 

I'll bite.

 

It seems like a trailer made out of trying to connect it to the press against Trump except in this day and age it's not jeopardizing to go against the President of the United States - it's easy.

 

It does play like propaganda. 

post #149 of 260
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Returning to the cinematography discussion from before, I have to say, the trailer shots seem pretty different from Janusz' usual work with Spielberg. Can't quite peg it... almost looks like a cross between old-school Spielberg and modern, prestige-picture Spielberg. Or The Terminal and Lincoln. Don't especially love the look. Though that shot mentioned before through the window and a couple shots with the papers being thrown were kind of cool.


I think what we've seen of Kaminski's work here looks fine.  Nothing egregiously ill-conceived, but nothing particularly striking.  I was kind of hoping he and Spielberg would either go brighter (like CATCH ME IF YOU CAN) or grittier (like MUNICH), but this looks - visually - to be standard drama fare.

post #150 of 260
What Carnotaur said is what I meant.

This is for-profit-propaganda in my opinion. The timely political subtext is being laid on extremely thick.

We all know what Meryl Streep's opinions on things are, and I'm certain a jewish filmmaker feels one particular way about the current US president, but now the message is being sold in order to make money for a movie studio.

I'm not buying the facade of righteous here. It's totally accepted to speak your mind about Trump right now, for free, via various forums. You don't need to sell your message.

It stinks.
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