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post #451 of 921

Wow. That was 100% better than Vol. 1.

 

It kind of slowed down during the exposition dump on Ego but the rest of it was great.

 

I wasn't keen on the busy busy busy visuals and over-saturated colours of Vol 1 but this time it was just toned down enough to be spot on. The inventiveness of the environments and spaceship designs were brilliant.

 

Kind of wish that character hadn't died - thought he was the MVP of the whole thing.

post #452 of 921
The fact that you liked this warms the cockles of my heart. It really does.
post #453 of 921
Toned down from Vol 1? If anything I thought the visuals were amped up in Vol 2.
post #454 of 921
I think he means how damn chintzy-vibrant the first could get. It seemed like Vol. 2's planet Contraxia had that look. But given that planet's history in the comics it's fits there.
post #455 of 921

I just wish we'd gotten some more of Yondu's double-talk.

post #456 of 921

Something I quite liked about that exchange between Yondu and Peter over Mary Poppins was that Peter was trying to make fun of him but Yondu unwittingly turned the tables on him by asking "Is he cool?" where at which point when Peter actually stopped to think about it, he realised that both yes, Mary Poppins was in fact cool and that he'd just played himself yet again.

post #457 of 921
Anybody spot the Super-Skrull reference?
post #458 of 921
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Anybody spot the Super-Skrull reference?

What?

No.

Where?
post #459 of 921

Maybe I'm reading too much into it, but in the final battle ...

 

 

Quill punching Ego with a rock hand while flying really seemed like an intentional reference to the Super Skrull. Maybe a coincidence ... but still ...

post #460 of 921
I saw Jeff Get Goldblum's character from Thor Ragnarok in the end credits.
post #461 of 921
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Maybe I'm reading too much into it, but in the final battle...

Quill punching Ego with a rock hand while flying really seemed like an intentional reference to the Super Skrull. Maybe a coincidence ... but still ...

I had the exact same thought!
post #462 of 921
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I saw Jeff Get Goldblum's character from Thor Ragnarok in the end credits.
Yeah, that was a wtf moment for me, and a good laugh. Also saw Quill's grandfather in the credits, who I had only seen in the movie for a split second, driving the blue car that was almost overtaken by the Ego Blob on Earth.
Speaking of the scene on Earth, I was hoping to see one of the stores named R.J. MacReady's, since that town looked like it could have been the same one from Slither, plus the additional Russell nod would have been cool.
post #463 of 921
Nova's helmet can also be seen in the pile of skulls.
post #464 of 921
Gunn hates Nova.

I love that when Peter's eyes fill with the swirling cosmos, all he could muster at first was "Eternity".


Edited by Raynis - 5/10/17 at 5:05am
post #465 of 921

Turns out de-aging Kurt Russel was mainly practical....

 

http://screenrant.com/guardians-galaxy-2-kurt-russell-young-deaged-not-cgi/

post #466 of 921
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Yeah, that was a wtf moment for me, and a good laugh. Also saw Quill's grandfather in the credits, who I had only seen in the movie for a split second, driving the blue car that was almost overtaken by the Ego Blob on Earth.
Speaking of the scene on Earth, I was hoping to see one of the stores named R.J. MacReady's, since that town looked like it could have been the same one from Slither, plus the additional Russell nod would have been cool.


I would like to see Peter find his grandfather in Infinity War to let him he is alright.

post #467 of 921
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I would like to see Peter find his grandfather in Infinity War to let him he is alright.


I could see that being filmed but then ending up on the cutting room floor. 

 

But yeah, it'd be a nice scene.  Maybe a mid-credits kinda thing.

post #468 of 921
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Also saw Quill's grandfather in the credits, who I had only seen in the movie for a split second, driving the blue car that was almost overtaken by the Ego Blob on Earth.

I've been scratching my head for days, trying to figure out who that was in the credits.
post #469 of 921
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Maybe I'm reading too much into it, but in the final battle ...




Quill punching Ego with a rock hand while flying really seemed like an intentional reference to the Super Skrull. Maybe a coincidence ... but still ...

All I could think of was Ang Lee's Hulk.
post #470 of 921
While I don't enjoy the Guardians movies as much as most of the MCU, they do grow on me.

I found this very entertaining, and understanding Gunn's comic sensibilities going in (unlike the first) helped with my enjoyment.

And baby Groot doing the slow, sad Charlie Brown walk up to Yondu and Rocket had me howling.
post #471 of 921
I thought of FANTASTIC FOUR: RISE OF THE SILVER SURFER!!!1!!1!111

post #472 of 921

Oh, c'mon guys ...

post #473 of 921

I thought this was pretty bad. And maybe Pratt's worst performance yet.

post #474 of 921
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I thought this was pretty bad. And maybe Pratt's worst performance yet.


 



Worse than the first scene with him and Bryce in Jurassic World??

And have you seen Passengers? That one was like the usual version of Dumb Serious Squinty Pratt, minus the charm and good jokes, pretty much just leaving you with a guy who has an IQ of 60 and is "good with his hands".

The good Pratts are Emmet from Lego Movie and pre-buff Andy Dwyer. Every other Pratt is the same. How bearable other Pratts are for me is determined by how good the movie around him is.
post #475 of 921

Pratt was the lead but he certainly wasn't the star of this movie.

post #476 of 921
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Pratt was the lead but he certainly wasn't the star of this movie.

He and Saldana pretty much killed the fun whenever they were on screen.  

post #477 of 921

Does Pratt even get anything funny to do in this movie? Maybe the line about making weird shit, but that's about it.

post #478 of 921

There's the "If I had a hand down there..." exchange.

 

And the offscreen search for tape.

post #479 of 921
Just got back from seeing this, finally.

I thought it was pretty cool that the Guardians blew up Ego's brain in a sympbolic nod to what Ego did to Peter's mom.

And I love that Quill just fucking blasts the shit out of him when he admits to doing that.

My favourite laugh, as crowd as the joke was, was when Drax referred to his famously large turds.

Oh, and tears welled up for me during those rapid fire flashback cuts.
post #480 of 921
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There's the "If I had a hand down there..." exchange.

And the offscreen search for tape.
He did turn himself into a giant Pac-man. There was also the exchange about practicing mating rituals with the high priestess.

But yeah, for having the plot revolve around him he seemed more like a supporting player while Rocket, Yondu and Groot took the lead.
post #481 of 921
Pratt is great with the more serious material he's given. It's certainly a less showy performance but I wouldn't call it a bad one.
post #482 of 921

I liked Pratt in this. He's got less to do than any other Guardian, which is weird, considering it's kind of centered around his relationship with his Dad, but really, he was just a piece of Yondu's story, which encompassed pretty much everything going on in the film. I'd say Rocket was also more centrally important than Quill.

 

I'm actually quite taken by the structure of this film. Everyone's story kind of overlaps and comes down to them knowing themselves better. It's a really nice change of pace from the go-there-get-this-save-the-world structure of not just Marvel, but like every big popcorn 4 quadrant event picture. I think I'll need to watch it a few more times to know how well it holds up, but I'm optimistic that a rewatch will maybe even deepen those themes. And I'm fairly sure it won't be any kind of chore to revisit. I'm tempted to give it another look in theaters, but the odds are against that at this point in my life.

post #483 of 921
this movie used Pratt exactly the riiiiiight amount!
post #484 of 921
Pratt's damn near perfect in this movie. He nails both the feels and the funny pretty much effortlessly.

He's playing Regular Human Dude surrounded by half a dozen of the biggest, showiest, most exotic, loudest, outrageousest and most colourful alien characters and performances in space opera history. Of COURSE he's not anyone's favourite. He's about 17,000 light years from even being in the same star system as "bad" though.
post #485 of 921
Yondu and Rocket jumping through 700 systems had me in tears.

Damn, wish we could get more of Yondu.
post #486 of 921
I meeeeeeeean, I only just saw the Fuqua Magnificent Seven a few days ago. I know me Not Great Pratt when I see it.
post #487 of 921

That remake is a complete mother Faqua. 

post #488 of 921
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That remake is a complete mother Faqua. 


Remake did a great job of completely missing the central theme of the original with Denzel's horseshit speech at the end.

 

Rest of the movie was mediocre as well. 

post #489 of 921
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Remake did a great job of completely missing the central theme of the original with Denzel's horseshit speech at the end.

 

Rest of the movie was mediocre as well. 

 

The biggest whoosh I've seen for a film versus source/earlier material is the utterly abominable I am Legend.

 

Minority Report probably comes a close second for me, though.

post #490 of 921
Magnificent Seven remake was not... magn... great?
post #491 of 921
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The biggest whoosh I've seen for a film versus source/earlier material is the utterly abominable I am Legend.

No shit. 

post #492 of 921
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No shit. 

 

Those who do not learn from history are condemned to repeat it.

 

NEVER FORGET

post #493 of 921
Well, count me as completely perplexed by this getting less stellar reviews than the first one.

With the sole exception of Baby Groot, I thought this was an improvement in almost every way.

Real emotion brought by real acting and a willingness to actually let the audience feel sadness for more than a millisecond before throwing another explosion/upbeat action scene/joke/whatever in our faces sets this film apart from other studio fare of late. Also ending it on a not insignificant downbeat was earned.

I will say that the mark of a good sequel is using the first film to allow you to go deeper with each character since they're already familiar, and this movie did that. Maybe I've been trained to revise my expectations down for big budget sequels, but if so it worked to my advantage because this was a pleasant surprise.

Other thoughts:

1. We can be done with Father/Son stories for a little while.

2. Seeing the extra scene with TeenGroot made me wish we'd had him for this movie.

3. The idea of Celestial as Boltzmann Brain is fucking bonkers.
post #494 of 921
Have we touched on the crazy fact that the Russell deaging was mostly done practically with makeup?
post #495 of 921
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Have we touched on the crazy fact that the Russell deaging was mostly done practically with makeup?

 

 

This just means that my dream of a Captain Ron Vs. Snake Plissken movie is now technically possible!

post #496 of 921
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Have we touched on the crazy fact that the Russell deaging was mostly done practically with makeup?

I posted an article on that. It's pretty obvious that it was makeup in a few shots (Kurt's face is wider these days) but that just makes it more seamless.
post #497 of 921

Actually got to see this, and had a lot of fun! It's technically a better movie than the first, but does, however, lack the spontaneity and surprise. And for all its attempts at pathos, nothing quite hit me like Quill's speech to the other Guardians and Drax saying, "I will get to see my family again," "We Are Groot," and "Peter, take my hand!"

 

BUT, more of the same is, in this case, a good thing. More and bigger, and boy does it go bigger. To the point that, yeah, even with cutaway gags to undercut the idea of action spectacle, it would still get back to action spectacle that was a bit tired. Too often Gunn relies on some super chargeup move that kills everything all at once. Impressive with Yondu does it once or twice, but when Rocket also does it in the woods and then with the spaceship blasting all the Sovereign at the end, I start wondering what exactly the rules are for this universe...

 

Surprisingly Nebula and Gamora worked the most for me this time around. I didn't really care about either of them in the first, and Saldana has this weird rasp when she yells (and she yells a lot) that does not sound natural. I may only like Saldana as Uhura. But something about Nebula's "JUST TELL ME I WON" really connected with me. Sometimes it's like that. Just goddamn motherfucking say you're wrong!!!

 

Michael Rooker did kind of sound like he was talking through prosthetic teeth throughout the first half, not something I noticed in the first movie. But it evened out. I would have liked him and Quill to have a moment early on, but this is very much of a piece with the first so you just have to go with that. Also, nice subtle retconning allows Yondu to have a redemption arc. Suddenly he was doing the right thing by keeping Quill, suddenly the Ravagers are actually a noble organization that Yondu had drifted away from and now wants to make up for it. Doesn't betray the earlier movie at all (like I've heard happens with Jason Statham's character in Fast 8), and very comic book-y.

 

Here's my new MCU ranking from Facebook!

 

Captain America: The First Avenger

The Avengers

Captain America: The Winter Soldier

Iron Man 3

Guardians of the Galaxy

Ant-Man

The Avengers: Age of Ultron

Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2

Iron Man

Captain America: Civil War

The Incredible Hulk

Thor

Doctor Strange

Iron Man 2

Thor: The Dark World

 

Guardians 2 will probably move up. Doctor Strange has after my second viewing! But I don't want to jump the (James) gun.

post #498 of 921

Also, for anyone that pops up to go blah blah blah Dulltron, the Vision in that movie is SO GOOD that he singlehandedly propels it upward for me. 

post #499 of 921

Ultron is great.  It's Chud that is often weird and wrong. 

post #500 of 921

Yeah, I'm not here to defend Ultron for the millionth time. I'll just say that I like that group of characters so much together that it outweighs the movie's (many) failings. 

 

Whereas Guardians v. 2 is a lot of consistently fun and good, but doesn't have any transcendent moments for me. And sorry, Yondu's death was top Rooker, but Pratt's over-the-top reactions had me borderline guffawing. Sorry, I'm a heartless bastard. 

 

Whereas something like the original Iron Man is still great, and this is totally shallow, but feels quaint and, ironically, obsolete in the wake of just about any other movie featuring Tony. Except Iron Man 2. Every time I think I should watch Iron Man again, I feel more compelled to just watch The Avengers or Iron Man 3. Even Civil War may push it aside eventually, although the first Iron Man's advantage is the genuine chemistry between Tony and Pepper, and the first-act stretch in the cave (especially Tony as blacksmith) has a kind of desperation that goes unmatched in the MCU so far. 

 

After Civil War, though, those last five are almost interchangeable. I really only love The Incredible Hulk for Tim Roth's performance. 

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