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post #201 of 571

Best Buy may have a steelbook, but Target has a bookbook.

 

post #202 of 571
I liked it. I agree there were plenty of worn out tropes of the series used to hit us over the head that its an Alien film (the score, responding to a distress call, being confronted by the alien in the "safety" of the ship after thinking they had escaped danger, etc), but I really dug David and Walter.

The opening scene with David sets it all up well thematically. David questions Weyland about his mortality, which is met with a demand that he serves tea. David made a decision right there, moments after his "birth" that he would not be a servant, even though he obeyed. And I loved the Wagner in the scene as reflected in the finale. Weyland comments that the movement is lesser without the backing orchestral accompaniment, and yet at the end as David walks through the cryo chamber the full orchestra blares. He finally is in command of his own destiny with all of this at his disposal.

An Alien film complete with worn out tropes is built around this idea, and I respect it.

One question that my girlfriend brought up and I hadn't even considered: Where the hell did all the wheat come from? Earth wheat on the Engineer homeworld? Brought up and tossed aside (unless I missed it?).
post #203 of 571
I believe humanity is a creation of the engineers. So David is not just working to end humanity, but their Creators as well.

So I believe that it isn't Earth's wheat on the engineers planet, but rather their wheat on earth.
post #204 of 571
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I believe humanity is a creation of the engineers. So David is not just working to end humanity, but their Creators as well.

So I believe that it isn't Earth's wheat on the engineers planet, but rather their wheat on earth.

That's the assumption I came up with as well, because it is the only one that works. If I start to think too hard about it the whole thing kind of falls apart. It's just that it is brought up by the characters in the film. One of the only observations they speak out loud that isn't directly addressed and is subsequently completely forgotten about.
post #205 of 571
When I tried explaining that to her I could see her eyes glossing over. She wondered about it, but couldn't give a shit about it at the same time.
post #206 of 571
What the fuck did I just watch? Ridley Scott is losing his mind, and it's kind of fun to witness. So many nitpicks! But I pick with a glad heart because the journey was actually fun.

What would help the opening half hour would be some establishment of what the crew's roles are. Daniels is a Terraforming specialist, Tennessee is a pilot/engineer and his lady is a pilot too. Oram's wife is a biologist. The two bros (lovers maybe) with moustaches are soldiers or security. Skinnier black guy is communications and his wife is communications and also a medic. All of this is pieced together throughout the movie, in some cases right up until the final act. I would have cared/remembered more about the crew if I knew their jobs.

Full marks to Danny McBride for pulling off a serious role here. Waterston is good, too. Actually, the whole cast conducts themselves with class despite a script with a great amount of preposterousness baked in. Considering the choices they make, these are definitely Weyland employees!

Finding out how David did by Shaw could have been surprising, but is sloppily placed near the end where we already know he's off his synthetic rocker.

SO MANY SHOTS of Rosenthal's head floating in the sink.

Tenesseee CAN'T CONTROL the heavy lifter (even before they deploy the crane) until he can and then everything's fine.

I can't say it was good but if I said my group wasn't entertained and buzzing with chat about it afterwards I'd be lying.
post #207 of 571
I'll be brief. Overall, I liked it. Fassbender and McBride were easily the standouts to me but Waterston was very good as Ripley-light. It was nice to see McBride not play "Kenny Powers in space".

I hated the ending though, pretty much everything post-return to Covenant. I would have preferred if they had kept it ambiguous about David/Walter. I mean we all know it's David but maybe leave it open enough to put in some doubt.

Shame to see Shaw opened up on the table like that.

Everything between David and Walter was good, especially the fight and Walter explaining why humans thought David was creepy.
post #208 of 571
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Shame to see Shaw opened up on the table like that.

The franchise is almost defined by its need for plucky survivors like Newt and Shaw, and also its need to spit in their faces.
post #209 of 571

I find it odd that so many people (not here, mind you) are focusing on the David/Walter "twist" and are critical of its lack of subtlety and predictability.  If it didn't work for you, fair enough, but it's not meant to be a twist in the traditional sense.  The film isn't even attempting to hide what's going on.  As soon as David gets on the cargo loader, he's quite unsympathetic toward Sgt. Lope when treating his wounds.  There are 3 or 4 scenes with David creepily staring at the xenomoprh back on the Covenant, and a few lengthy pauses before he even answers Daniels.  This is all after the film cuts away from the climax of the Walter/David fight, and after the film shows us David looking back at the citadel before joining the others on the cargo loader.  I don't get the impression Scott is at all attempting to pull one over on us. 

 

And I think the execution of the David reveal is really quite chilling.  The horror on Waterson's face and the sadistic smile on Fassbender's really helps sell that moment for me.  It's a nasty end to a vicious little movie. 

post #210 of 571
Agreed. For all the reasons you point out. Although I heard at least one person gasp during the final scene. Not everyone's quick on the uptake, but the "reveal" does unfold over about 20 minutes.
post #211 of 571

Ha!  I'd like to meet that person, maybe it's their first trip to the cinema?  

 

 

Here's a full-throated defense of the film from Andrew Todd at BMD:

 

http://birthmoviesdeath.com/2017/05/21/alien-is-dead-long-live-covenant

 

 

By the end of the film, it reminded me more than anything of "I Have No Mouth, and I Must Scream" by Ellison. 

post #212 of 571
*Wee little neomorph skulks off into the bushes.*

*Comes back an hour later at 450 lbs.*
post #213 of 571
They grow up so fast!
post #214 of 571
I will say that the one-two punch of David in his sanctum (with Daniels seeing those genuinely twisted design artworks (including Shaw)) followed by his ownership of 2000 colonists is legitimately terrifying and twisted. The David twist was so telegraphed that I couldn't quite settle in to it, though. From the moment he cuts his hair, we spend the next hour just waiting for it.

The movie was a mess, but an intriguing and fucked up mess. They got too much Alien sequel in their Prometheus prequel, unfortunately. BMD has to sell their Alien Mondo magazine, so I'm taking their defense with that in mind.
post #215 of 571
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I will say that the one-two punch of David in his sanctum (with Daniels seeing those genuinely twisted design artworks (including Shaw)) followed by his ownership of 2000 colonists is legitimately terrifying and twisted. The David twist was so telegraphed that I couldn't quite settle in to it, though. From the moment he cuts his hair, we spend the next hour just waiting for it.

The movie was a mess, but an intriguing and fucked up mess. They got too much Alien sequel in their Prometheus prequel, unfortunately. BMD has to sell their Alien Mondo magazine, so I'm taking their defense with that in mind.

 

I agree that the film is certainly messy, but I don't think the Mondo magazine has anything to do with their reaction to Covenant.  That thing sold out weeks ago, long before the film even opened in  U.S. theaters.  It's a polarizing movie and I understand many of the criticisms, but I'm quite high on it, and I have no connection to their magazine.  The people who dig it, like Matt Zoller Seitz at ebert.com and David Sims at The Atlantic, are fully embracing it.  I don't think we need to question their motives. 

post #216 of 571
I bet they were editing and realized no version they had didn't telegraph the David reveal, so they leaned into it. The entire tension of that final fight with the xenomorph on board was all based around when David would betray them, and will that be what kills McBride. Then none of that happens.

The actual reveal is very creepy.
post #217 of 571
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Here's a full-throated defense of the film from Andrew Todd at BMD:

http://birthmoviesdeath.com/2017/05/21/alien-is-dead-long-live-covenant

Fully agree with all of this.

A lot of people have moaned about the new backstory ruining the mystique of the Alien, but really that mystique was spoiled by overexposure long before these new movies. This one doesn't really succeed at making the Aliens interesting in themselves, but IMO they get away with it because they're used more as a means for telling the story of David than as an end in themselves.

The two most effective horror moments in this are the ones where something is left to your imagination - the first when you see David's notes and the results of his experiments on Shaw, and the second when you realize he's now free to continue those experiments with an entire human colony (that I think is more the final twist than the obvious fact he'd switched with Walter).

I'm up for another one from Scott, but part of me wouldn't mind if that's the last we see of David, the ultimate happy ending for that character.
post #218 of 571
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I bet they were editing and realized no version they had didn't telegraph the David reveal, so they leaned into it. The entire tension of that final fight with the xenomorph on board was all based around when David would betray them, and will that be what kills McBride. Then none of that happens.

The actual reveal is very creepy.

Yeah, everyone in my theatre was waiting for "Walter" to start messing with doors and controls the whole time. Fass' poker face watching the screens (plus the moment where he realizes a full grown Xeno scares even him) was a good tension builder.

Somebody asked McBride if he and Waterston would be back. He pointed out that the only cryo pod in history with a good track record is Ripley's.
post #219 of 571

Watched it a second time. This time for what it was, not what I wanted it to be.

 

Maybe it's time to let go of "cosmic horror." I'm cringing more and more every time someone on a forum says it's not Lllllovecrrrraaaafttian enough.

 

Maybe let's focus of the actual horror. Because the film is bleak as fuck. Horrific. Multiple nightmares.

 

Being taken into a cave by a demented robot scientist who has made enormous (they're huge!) eggs under flickering lights. He's luring you in, telling you it's "perfectly safe."

 

What about Shaw's miserable fate. Especially when you think of her directly after Prometheus, nervously patching David back together again, hoping that maybe she can trust him after all, only to end up as his personal ant farm. 

 

Or maybe the scene where Daniels finds David's drawings. Discovering your host has been drawing up hundreds of wild biomechanical sex fusion blueprints. Nightmare fuel. Ash was a twisted, violent menace but at least we never had to see his hentai collection.

 

And especially the end, where David (who happily admits he's out to end humanity) flies off with his new, enormous alien-breeding laboratory. Whatever he does, wherever he lands - everyone is seriously fucked.

 

It's funny, first time I saw it, when the film started and flashed up the info on the 2,000 colonists, without knowing anything except these films are bleak and mean, I thought to myself, "oh no...."


Edited by Ah, Alucard - 5/22/17 at 6:14am
post #220 of 571

The "Cosmic Horror" aspects have basically been gone since Aliens.  After that film we may not have known the origins of the Aliens, but we knew enough about them that they were pretty well demystified.

post #221 of 571

Not saying there isn't actual stupid stuff in these movies, but I'm finding it hard not to find some of the accusations of this film being dumb to themselves be... dumb.

 

I've just been listening to the Half In The Bag review, and they accuse its themes of being surface level while seemingly going out of their way not to think about anything in it for more than two seconds. Here's a direct quote:

 

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The premise of Prometheus was that blue mans all over the galaxy went and populated planets, but for some reason at the end of Prometheus they said "we've got to take all this black goo back to earth and use it again to wipe out the population because we messed up!". And then Shaw wanted to find out why they messed up (what did we do to make them want to kill us, that was the lead in - the whole movie was like a set up for the next movie).
 
We will never find out why they wanted to go back, because David exterminated the entire population.

 

I mean, how hard is it to put two and two together there?

post #222 of 571

The entire Engineer population was located in that one city?

 

Fuck this shit. The Space Jockey wasn't some blue asshole in a spacesuit. Alien one and two are the only movies anyone needs in this franchise.

post #223 of 571
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The entire Engineer population was located in that one city?

 

Fuck this shit. The Space Jockey wasn't some blue asshole in a spacesuit. Alien one and two are the only movies anyone needs in this franchise.


I've seen conflicting accounts:  Some are saying it was really the Engineer homeworld.  Others are saying it was just an Engineer "outpost."

post #224 of 571

It could just as easily be a old colony or a homeworld largely forgotten/abandoned by their spacefaring brethren or whatever. They looked kind of awestruck and overjoyed to see the ship, which would indicate it wasn't exactly a common occurrence. Plus from what we saw of the city, it looked impressive yet ancient and unsophisticated (floaty 'dock' thing apart), certainly nothing like you'd expect for a civilisation that kept pace with those spacecraft designs we know and love.

post #225 of 571
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The entire Engineer population was located in that one city?

 

Fuck this shit. The Space Jockey wasn't some blue asshole in a spacesuit. Alien one and two are the only movies anyone needs in this franchise.

 

 

You think that's bad? Since Earth is clearly not been destroyed by an evil android in the later movies in the timeline, I was wondering just how David is eventually stopped before we get to Alien. Then I realized they don't even have to show that movie next or even occurring next in the timeline. If they wanted, it could easily be said that David is still tinkering away or in cryosleep while the other movies are happening. Basically my nightmare worry is that we might get a Ripley vs David scenario somehow in the future.     

post #226 of 571

I'm still of the mind that David ends up the de-facto head of Weyland-Yutani by the end of this prequel series, thus explaining their endless obsession with acquiring/manipulating the aliens.  It's either that or most of his research/memory ends up in their hands, but regardless...SOMETHING had to spark a generations-long obsession with these things.

 

Bonus points if they include a "deaged" Ian Holm in the inevitable stinger.

post #227 of 571

Ian Holm as the new CEO Mr Yutani. Because Scott hasn't had enough whitewashing controversies!

post #228 of 571
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The entire Engineer population was located in that one city?

 

Fuck this shit. The Space Jockey wasn't some blue asshole in a spacesuit. Alien one and two are the only movies anyone needs in this franchise.

 

Perhaps the Engineers purposely keep their population low, sacrificing their lives to help seed the galaxy with their DNA.  I suspect that this may have been an idea to be explored before Ridley (and Fox) decided 'fuck it, the audience just wants to see aliens'.

post #229 of 571

Also, and I'm sure this has been addressed elsewhere, what superpower needs weird uncontrollable savage supersoldiers? Do they not have drones?

post #230 of 571
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Also, and I'm sure this has been addressed elsewhere, what superpower needs weird uncontrollable savage supersoldiers? Do they not have drones?

 

Weyland-Yutani wouldn't be the first corporation that was shortsighted or stupid. Actually, if Jmacq1's theory that the corporation eventually gains access to all of David's research, it would makes complete sense for them to want to get the creature. They would know that the Alien was made through futuristic genetic engineering. If they can catch the creature and crack that code or some other science shit, WY would have immense power. There is still time to right the ship Ridley!     

post #231 of 571
I figured we only saw one city. David dropped enough black goo to overwhelm the entire planet's fauna.
post #232 of 571
I always thought they wanted the Xenomorph (yeah, I'm using the term) to reverse engineer the sucker.
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post #234 of 571
I liked this movie, warts and all.

I got a real Alien 3 vibe from this entry. Like that film, it's very bleak, mean and cynical, although it stops just short of confounding expectations like Fincher did, for better or worse. The reveal of Shaw's fate seems to mirror those of Hicks and Newt--sudden and unceremonious. I don't know if this was intentional but it seemed like someone had an affection for Alien 3 and managed to put it up there on the screen.

This is kind of a nitpick but I thought they dropped the ball on the first kill with the "backburster" scene. Maybe it's just me but simply reversing the direction of the exit wound, as we've grown accustomed to, doesn't strike me as terribly imaginative--especially given the fact that this is presumably, a different species. Both the original chestburster scene from Alien and the medpod scene from Prometheus are exemplary and they manage to be shocking in a way that this feels like it's trying to but can't.
post #235 of 571
Well, the next one comes out the mouth. Seems like the Neomorph just DGAF how it gets out. Like how Ridley feels about monster modus operandi nowadays.
post #236 of 571
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You think that's bad? Since Earth is clearly not been destroyed by an evil android in the later movies in the timeline, I was wondering just how David is eventually stopped before we get to Alien. Then I realized they don't even have to show that movie next or even occurring next in the timeline. If they wanted, it could easily be said that David is still tinkering away or in cryosleep while the other movies are happening. Basically my nightmare worry is that we might get a Ripley vs David scenario somehow in the future.     

 

Oh crap, that's it isn't it?  The new Ripley, genetically mixed with the Alien, is sent on a mission with a new squad of Colonial Marines to some planet where they find David and his army of science experiments.  Ack.

post #237 of 571
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This is kind of a nitpick but I thought they dropped the ball on the first kill with the "backburster" scene. Maybe it's just me but simply reversing the direction of the exit wound, as we've grown accustomed to, doesn't strike me as terribly imaginative--especially given the fact that this is presumably, a different species. Both the original chestburster scene from Alien and the medpod scene from Prometheus are exemplary and they manage to be shocking in a way that this feels like it's trying to but can't.

 

Well, the idea of bursting through the back is stupid anyways.  Much less resistance to go through the front which is mostly flesh vs dealing with going through a spinal column but hey, it's a good visual.

post #238 of 571
I don't believe David is trying to eliminate human life on Earth, which he views as doomed anyway. I wouldn't put it past him, per se, but what he actually says is that he refuses to allow them the escape of colonization. He's just intent on sabotaging the Covenant, which means everyone in hypersleep is fucked, but that's about as far as David's schemes go.

Although that can just do whatever they want in a sequel. If there isn't one though, this ending certainly isn't elliptical.
post #239 of 571

I really enjoyed this!

 

I really liked it!

 

Just a constant stream of delightful touches!

 

Dark Shape, Paul C, and Arjen putting up the good fight!  Also, that BMD piece is really nice.

 

My response is very likely helped by the fact that I'm a very very casual fan of the series and don't care a lick for its continuity in a series that has generally been pretty loosey goosey about it to begin with.

 

 

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The first xenomorph does jazz hands with David.

 

Fuck this movie.

 

oh man, what a wonderful moment!

 

 

also... I guess with Assassin's Creed and Covenant... it seems that Fassbender really loves to wear hoods in movies involving a Kurzel?  And maybe SHAME?


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post #240 of 571
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I don't believe Ridley is trying to eliminate the Alien franchise, which he views as doomed anyway. I wouldn't put it past him, per se, but what he actually says is that he refuses to allow them the escape of sequels. He's just intent on sabotaging Covenant, which means everyone in the theatre is fucked, but that's about as far as Ridley's schemes go.

Although he can just do whatever he wants in a sequel. If there isn't one though, this ending certainly isn't elliptical.
post #241 of 571
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I really enjoyed this!

 

I really liked it!

 

Just a constant stream of delightful touches!

 

Dark Shape, Paul C, and Arjen putting up the good fight!  Also, that BMD piece is really nice.

 

My response is very likely helped by the fact that I'm a very very casual fan of the series and don't care a lick for its continuity in a series that has generally been pretty loosey goosey about it to begin with.

 

 

oh man, what a wonderful moment!

 

 

also... I guess with Assassin's Creed and Covenant... it seems that Fassbender really loves to wear hoods in movies involving a Kurzel?  And maybe SHAME?

 

Now you're turning me onto seeing this... damn you, nooj!

post #242 of 571

The Dark Shape and I have already spit-balled ideas for what Prometheus 3 could/should be.

 

And we agree on the ending. David "gives birth" to the first Queen Xenomorph. 

post #243 of 571
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And we agree on the ending. David "gives birth" to the first Queen Xenomorph. 

 

 

"I shall dub her... THE SHAWNOMORPH!!!"  (they perform jazzhands in sync)

- from a screenplay by Bradito

 

 

hehehe, Fassbender makes some GREAT faces in this.

 

I love that being stabbed in the neck results in Walter seeming to snap back to a factory-reset crouch posture.

 

ZZCCWOOOOP!!!

post #244 of 571
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"I shall dub her... THE SHAWNOMORPH!!!"  (they perform jazzhands in sync)

- from a screenplay by Bradito

 

 

hehehe, Fassbender makes some GREAT faces in this.

 

I love that being stabbed in the neck results in Walter seeming to snap back to a factory-reset crouch posture.

 

ZZCCWOOOOP!!!

 

post #245 of 571
Okay, just seen this. Thought it was flawed but great, certainly better than Prometheus, but while that film was dragged down by Lindelof's bullshitting and putting emphasis on questions/mystery over answers, this one suffers from the opposite, as its slavishly need for tying itself to the series makes it aim lower and be less misterious; needless to say, it's a Ridley Scott film, so it's gorgeously shot, performances are solid/great, and the action/horror scenes are quite good.

Okay, spoilers time, and I'm going to go personal/bullshit my thoughts here....

Scott is actually doing things right, guys.
Because this whole Alien prequels deal isn't and never was about the Origin of Alien.
It was about its Creation.
And Fassbender is playing Giger.

See, the thing is that Scott is playing on the typical creation versus creator story, but with a different beat; we all know where the Alien came from: from Giger's imagination, talent and his subconscious night terrors and nightmares.
Thus, the Alien has always been a human creation, both in universe and out of it.
We see that the Engineers created humanity, that humanity created artificial life, and that an artificial life form, David, is the creator of the Alien, right?
Wrong.
David is indeed the creator of the Alien, but he is merely copying and improving what already existed, because the Template was already there, inside both Creators (Engineers) and Creation (Humans). David cannot create from nothing.
Remember that mural depicting the Alien life cycle in Prometheus?
It always meant to show that the Engineers already knew about the Alien being the ultimate life form, yet they never pursued it or tried to control it.
David claims he created the Neomorphs and stands as the creator of the Xenomorph, but in reality, he is just following the blueprints and designs both left by the Engineers and inherently present on the Engineer/Human species DNA.
Because David is not a perfect creator; he believes himself a superior being to its creator, but he actually suffers from a massive inferiority problem; his whole interactions with Walter expose him as inferior, flawed and a slave to his own insecurities (Walter calling out David on him being wrong about Ozymandias author shows that David is nowhere near perfect.)
And his Xenomorph creations are just as flawed; they are animals, lacking the intelligence and cunning of the original ones we saw in Alien and its sequels.
Because there is something missing.
The Queen. The hive's mind and controller.
Which leads me to believe that David's final and only original act of creation will be the Alien Queen, and thus the completion of the Alien life cycle, unchained from a creator and free to propagate itself without a controlling hand or an artificial origin.
And that will be David's downfall, because once the Queen comes into equation, the Alien has no need for a creator or an origin; it becomes natural, and it has no need for a flawed, inferior being that has made it come into being.
When Giger created the original Alien, he incorporated a human skull in it, and when questioned about it, he answered "Don't ask me where I got it from".
Wether we wanted or not, now we know...the Alien has always been inside us.
post #246 of 571
re: Walter telling David that people found him creepy.

Makes you wonder what weirdness any of the other Davids got up to that Weyland had to cover up.
post #247 of 571
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re: Walter telling David that people found him creepy.

Makes you wonder what weirdness any of the other Davids got up to that Weyland had to cover up.

I think both movies make it clear David is unique; he was upsetting before, but now that he has a degree of free will with Weyland dead, he has no restraint whatsoever in his creepyness.

Also, Uncanny Valley reference; Bishop in Aliens also mentions that the Ash models were faulty and that he was designed to be more human and less creepy, and later on we see that Call is almost too human.

Interesting opposites there: David creates an inhuman, emotionless and instinctual creation in the Alien, while Humanity advances Androids to be more and more emotional, empathic and humane.

It pretty much exposes David's fatal flaw: He is truly inhuman, despite his ability to create and freeedom, because he lacks empathy and emotions, and thus his creation is monstrous.

Walter pretty much gives him an omen of his downfall: David is flawed, and thus his creations will be flawed, just as he is a flawed being creted by a flawed creator. (The Note/Symphony dialogue)

post #248 of 571

Saw this last night.

 

If I don't think about how it connects to Alien and the massive number of stupid decisions and confusing aspects:  I liked it a lot.  It was a lot of fun, and Fassbender was definitely the highlight.

 

If I do think about how it connects to Alien and the massive number of stupid decisions and confusing aspects:  God, does this movie have problems.

 

I don't know.  I found this to be a lot more enjoyable than Prometheus(some of which I thought was alright) and I left the theater in a pretty good mood, but my mind keeps going to back to a lot of the things people have already pointed out.

 

The whole Engineer population just happened to all be hanging out in the same spot?  I'm guessing the next movie will have the humans team with a rogue Engineer that survived and they will try and stop David.

 

The black "goo" is now an airborne "dust" with independent parts that can work together?  Also, it grows or is it spore/shit of another creature?  I don't know.  Sloppy.

 

Ummm...where the fuck did he get the giant eggs?  David says they are "waiting for Mother"?  Is he implying that a queen already exists, or is he referring to a human host as "mother", as it gives birth to the "alien".  Or is Shaw the mother?  The idea that the queen will be created later kind of shits on the idea from Aliens that the queen is just "something we haven't seen yet".

 

The part when they are leaving the planet.  Reminded me a bit too much of the Millennium Falcon from TFA.  Way too much of a ship bouncing off and smashing into rocks/buildings.  They could have easily cut down on the swinging and rotating and still had a pretty effective sequence.

 

Also, if the alien is smashing the windows of the ship, wouldn't the intense pressure of space pretty much pull apart/shatter the windows once they leave the atmosphere?

 

Shaky cam/editing

 

The life cycle of the alien is waaaaaaayyyy too fast.  Full size alien in less than an hour.  Ummmm...no

 

I was confused about the last Chestburster impregnating Bob the Mexican.  My impression was that the blood, like the black goo/dust, infected him(his wound was getting worse suggesting inflammation), but who the hell knows.

 

What is so much more "perfect" about the black alien?  It isn't light sensitive?  I mean it apparently already has acid for blood as it burns off Walter's hand.  Is it the extra mouth?

 

Another airlock death.

 

How many characters say "I'll be right back" and don't come back?  Personally, I would be shitting my pants and holding onto a gun at all times, but I am not a space explorer.  Maybe they see this stuff all the time. 

 

There are plenty of other things, but those are top of mind at the moment. 

 

Still found it pretty entertaining overall.

post #249 of 571
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Ummm...where the fuck did he get the giant eggs?  David says they are "waiting for Mother"?  Is he implying that a queen already exists, or is he referring to a human host as "mother", as it gives birth to the "alien".  Or is Shaw the mother?  The idea that the queen will be created later kind of shits on the idea from Aliens that the queen is just "something we haven't seen yet".

 

The life cycle of the alien is waaaaaaayyyy too fast.  Full size alien in less than an hour.  Ummmm...no

 

The whole Engineer population just happened to all be hanging out in the same spot?  I'm guessing the next movie will have the humans team with a rogue Engineer that survived and they will try and stop David.

 

 

Regarding this: David isnt actually a perfect creator, as he developed the eggs and chestburster himself, but that was all based on Engineer knowledge and tech; he lacks the creativity and tools/material to perfect the life cycle of the Alien, as it still depends on a creator because there is no Female progenitor ie The Queen.

He was referring to both Shaw/Daniels, as David clearly has not been able to replicate the female part of the reproduction cycle, and thus his creation are imperfect.

The accelerated life cycle is also a flaw; the Aliens here are animalistic and easily trapped/tricked; they are animals, with no greater intelligence or instincts, precisely because they are flawed; they do not have Queen to guide their actions/instincts.

My take is that the Queen will be the wildcard/nature factor in a sequel; once the Queen comes into play, there is no need for the Aliens to have a creator.

 

The whole movie makes a lot more sense when you take into account that David is a flawed creation, and thus he is a flawed creator; just like Weyland, he is unable to look past his hubris and inferiority, and makes the same mistakes.

 

I think that the next movie will have Walter back; he is just as capable as David to figure out Engineer tech, can auto-heal and his duty to Daniels and the crew would motivate him to follow David and the Covenant.

Hell, Im guessing the original Colony planet for the Covenant will be the place were the original Derelict from Alien will end up in, brought in by Walter-

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Regarding this: David isnt actually a perfect creator, as he developed the eggs and chestburster himself.

Yeah, but secreted from what?

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