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post #551 of 574
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Anyway, I talked about this in the Rian Johnson new Star Wars trilogy thread, but I'm getting kind of bothered by this new trend to pillage the theoretical universes of a series of movies that only used that theoretical universe in service of the main story... in the case of SW, it was the Skywalkers. 

 

I appreciate the time that you put into your post, but I think your interpretation is off base. 

 

The problem is the bad movies with no meaningful story to tell, not the fact that they chose to continue stories in a certain milieu or involving certain characters.  

post #552 of 574
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I appreciate the time that you put into your post

Deliciously patronizing!
post #553 of 574
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Originally Posted by Bradito View Post


Deliciously patronizing!

 

Not as delicious as McRibs.  

 

**also, not patronizing.  He clearly put a lot of thought into it and it was interesting to read.  I also believe that they are milking these "film universes," but I think the problem is that they aren't "milking" them with good stories to tell, they just want the built-in audience.  

post #554 of 574
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Originally Posted by Overlord View Post

 

The problem is the bad movies with no meaningful story to tell, not the fact that they chose to continue stories in a certain milieu or involving certain characters.  

 

I think it's both.

post #555 of 574
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I think it's both.

What did you think of Blade Runner 2049?

 

**obviously if you didn't like it, this will be a short discussion.

post #556 of 574
I used to really think I knew what these Alien movies were about and then Scott decided to come back and give me films with themes but no thoughts as to what they mean to him.
post #557 of 574
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I used to really think I knew what these Alien movies were about and then Scott decided to come back and give me films with themes but no thoughts as to what they mean to him.

 

I would so love it if we could get an Aliens movie that just ignores everything after Aliens and gives us a proper continuation of the story of Newt, Hicks, and Ripley.  

post #558 of 574
Bleh. Give me more Scott then haha
post #559 of 574

To put it more succinctly, these original stories work because of the specifics of the plot.  The universe is just there as a kind of generic backdrop, because it's about outer space and outer space is huge.  It keeps the main story from feeling like its operating in a vacuum.

 

But beyond the Skywalkers/Kenobi/Yoda, lightsabers and the force, the Star Wars universe is just as generic as any other sci-fi universe if you really look carefully.  Even lightsabers themselves were not at all unique.

 

Randomly designed ships?  Check.

 

Vaguely different looking blasters?  Check.

 

Fictional money?  Check.

 

Aliens?  Check.

 

Exotic planets?  Check.

 

Lucas' genius was in using certain generic elements to reinforce the story he was telling.  The walkers on Hoth are generic until you realize they're a metaphor for the Empire's brute force tactics.  They are powerful, but big and slow and don't pay attention to detail.  It's why Luke was able to destroy the death star and why he was able to take out the walker.  Taken out of this context, the walker just becomes a generic stomping machine you might find in any other generic sci-fi movie.  In Star Wars, its function services the plot, which itself is already brilliant.  And they were scary because you were already so invested in the characters.  Examples like the walker are just one of the many little things that make the movies exceptional and stand out from the pack.

 

I'm not convinced the new movies have that brilliant spark.  TFA certainly didn't convince anybody of that.  The new trilogy's main attraction is finishing the Skywalker story.  Everything else is basically generic fan fiction.  Rogue One was the perfect example of taking SW iconography and telling a lackluster story.  So when I see Disney carving out a Marvel type business plan, I just roll my eyes.  Marvel has tons of brilliant storylines already mapped out from decades of comics.  Disney is basically just making things up, but as I said, Lucas is what made that universe worth watching at all.  Without him, it's not that interesting.

 

My point is a bit philosophical in nature, so I don't expect people to totally agree with it.  But to me these stories use the universe as a worldbuilding exercise to reinforce the main story and give it scope and metaphorical context (like the walker sequence), not invite more delving into that universe because it seems cool.  It's purely functional.  So using the name Star Wars or Alien becomes virtually pointless to me.  It's not that it's off limits, it's that I don't understand why I'm supposed to be excited about it.  Honestly, I'd like to see Johnson be able to funnel whatever great ideas he has into his own stories, not continue to play second fiddle to the Skywalker story and further Disney-fy the franchise.

post #560 of 574
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What did you think of Blade Runner 2049?

 

**obviously if you didn't like it, this will be a short discussion.

 

I liked it alot.

post #561 of 574

You're getting into something I've pointed out online at various places (maybe here in CHUD, I can't recall), but one of the greatest, most immersive charms of Star Wars is that it just drops you into the story, it's not about the world.  The world unfolds as we're carried along by the story, it isn't burdened down with exposition along the way.

 

While there are certainly great works of scifi/fantasy that take the alternate approach (LOTR, both film and novels, is about as opposite of an approach in terms of explanatory exposition as you can get) there is something truly magical about just being dropped wholesale into a strange adventure and being swept along with a creative viewpoint that everything will be presented as de facto reality.  Star WarsBlade RunnerAlien/Aliens, and more recently, Fury Road, are great examples.  

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I can't help but think Scott's only doing this to see how the opening title reading...

 

 A    L      E    N

 

will look on the screen.

 

 

"Ya' see, it's visionary innit?"

 

 

 

A    L      E    N

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A   M   L   C   R     E   B   N

post #564 of 574
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Bring it on I say! It's obvious that Scott is only interested in the AI and bioengineering circle-of-life aspects of this stuff and only put the Aliens back in there to throw the studio a bone.

My hope is they'll just say "fuck it, we can just reboot it after he dies anyway" and give him the money to fill out his trilogy with a full-on body horror epic about Fassbender's planet of human experiments.
post #565 of 574
GO FOR IT, WIGGLY!!
post #566 of 574

I think the only fitting end to this series is to have a human baby bursting out of an alien's chest...

post #567 of 574

BEAUTIFUL

post #568 of 574

Bring in a young-and-hungry filmmaker to direct, guide them and produce with some distance and it's a deal, Sir Ridley.

post #569 of 574

sir wiggly is younger and hungrier than any foul upstart!

post #570 of 574

It's the cigar that keeps him going.

 

 

 

 

post #571 of 574

that cigar is one of the horcruxfinity rings!!!

post #572 of 574

A perfect little trailer on why these two new Alien movies should be called David, the most interesting new addition to the series.

 

 

post #573 of 574
Should’ve used D A V I D as the opening to Prometheus and highlighted the A I portion.
post #574 of 574
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A perfect little trailer on why these two new Alien movies should be called David, the most interesting new addition to the series.

Fassbinder does a good job in these prequels. He just deserves better films around his character.

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