PIRATES OF THE CARIBBEAN: DEAD MEN TELL NO TALES Post-Release Discussion - Page 3
I caught this yesterday, and enjoyed it (for the most part). The action staging is far more fun than the stuff ON STRANGER TIDES had to offer (mermaid sequence aside), and although Depp leans even heavier on the drunken schtick than before, I still found myself entertained by Jack Sparrow's antics. Bardem's good, playing it far straighter than I was expecting, while Rush is once again a delight as Barbossa... though the screenplay forces that character into a function that feels both totally unearned and completely out-of-step with what we know of Barbossa having spent a lot of time with him in three previous movies. The arc the film gives Barbossa is one of its biggest missteps, but Rush does all he can to sell it.
Kaya Scodelario is easily the more impressive of the two young leads (of course, it doesn't hurt that smart, headstrong brunettes are my type...). No offense to Thwaites, who has an earnest quality to him, but Scodelario brings a lot of energy and personality to an otherwise stock character on paper. As with Rush, though, the screenplay positions Scodelario's character to have an emotional payoff that doesn't really land.
Also, though Geoff Zanelli's score didn't register very much while watching, it's a fun listen on the album. Several strong new themes (including an incredibly catchy, legitimately swashbuckling action motif), and copious usage of classic themes, but - for the most part - these are fresh spins and variations on them rather than straight note-for-note passages from the previous scores.
I'd say it's the best score of the series after AT WORLD'S END.
AT WORLD'S END
always top score!
seriously, the return of the romance theme from AT WORLD'S END helped the prologue have an oomph I don't think it would've had otherwise!
if only I found their actual romance in the movie as compelling as the theme!
Just come back from this. It was so goddamn boring I felt like I had to actively keep myself from dozing off. The freshness and inventiveness of the originals has been replaced by a sense of obligation. Nothing exhibits that better than their approach to the scripts which are always some variation on Jack Sparrow being stuck between a silly cursed villain, the British navy and a sexy couple while searching for a macguffin. It's not worse than On Stranger Tides, which wasn't even competently made, but the race is a lot closer than I expected it to be.
What surprised me most is that the thing I was dreading the most - Paul McCartney's cameo - ended up being the one bit that really made me laugh. He's got some great comic delivery.
Edited by Evi - 5/31/17 at 9:00am
On the box office side, it's looking like this will be following the pattern of ON STRANGER TIDES where it does only okay domestically, but the foreign grosses more than pick up the spare.
Of the $1 billion TIDES pulled in, $200 million was generated in North America, and the other $800 million came from other markets. Based on the opening weekend, the industry projection for the fifth movie's total take is $850 million, which is definitely enough for Disney to consider it a success and more than likely enough for them to think about a sixth installment (for better or worse).
This thing just crossed $600 million worldwide. I am not sanguine about how much fun another sequel can be without Geoffrey Rush, but if they must make Pirates 6, these would be my suggestions:
1) Take the right lesson from the success of this movie and wait a while
2) Double down, hard, on Kevin McNally
I can see Disney churning out one more with another big name as a cursed captain or whatever. After that fails to hit expectations, they'll do one bugfuck / desperately weird sequel where Captain Jack magically travels to modern day and hijacks a modern navy battleship. Actually I'd watch that.
Im actually a bit surprised something like that hasn't happened already.
Well, the post-credits scene sure seemed to indicate Davy Jones is coming back, for what that's worth.
This was such a tedious film. It felt like it had sixteen prologues just to get us up to speed as to who was who so they could get the plot started, and then that plot is a fairly bog-standard "Go get the magical thing" story. Then it blows what would have been a pretty great prologue as a flashback about halfway through, by which point you just don't care. What little goodwill Jack has left is gone; he was always eccentric but competent, but here, he's a total bumbling drunken fool, succeeding more by accident than by his own wits and skill, and therefore even less interesting.
The "keelhaul" bit at least was vintage Jack getting what he wants through deception.
Despite the teaser, bringing back Davy Jones would make no sense. I think it would be more interesting if Will's nightmare portended different consequences of leaving his post. I'll allow that being bound to the Dutchman counts as a curse, but isn't it also necessary to shepherd souls at sea or whatever? What happens to them now?
It's also just as possible they will ignore the teaser altogether, as they did with the fourth movie's.
That keelhaul scene was the one moment Jack felt like Jack.
And I did wonder, if Salazar's men immediately began drowning as soon as the curse was lifted, why Will and the Dutchmen crew didn't immediately drown on board the submerged ship.
Decided to leave this here.
The articles states that the fifth movie "is on course to bring in more than a billion dollars to Disney," which isn't true unless they're factoring in presumptive home video and merchandising revenue. Still, it has a chance of breaking $800 million worldwide, which is impressive for a fifth installment of anything.
I really like Depp as an actor, correspondingly all the movies he plays at are remarkable for me! One more good adventure movie. Watch again-probably not, but for one time with a good company at a cinema goes just great! My girlfriend also liked it. So I guess good for both guys and gals.
Had some elaborate set pieces.