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post #651 of 1108

By the same semantics, you could argue the Punisher isn't a superhero, just Mack Bolan's The Executioner in a comic book universe. 

post #652 of 1108
Whatever works for you, man. I don't care.
post #653 of 1108

Ah, I really dug this movie.  The humanity on display as Diana reacts to the horrors around her was something sorely missing from the DCEU.  Plus, Gadot in general does a great job, alternating between wide-eyed fawn and lithe combatant. 

 

They had a surprising amount for Pine to do, and not just fish-out-of-water comic relief bits with Gadot.  And his death really shook the theater (at least, I presume he's dead).

 

By the time Ares is introduced, they've had Diana experience enough about the horrors of war and the evils of man that his speech actually meant something, rather than the typical villain monologue.  Hell, I'm pretty sure Freeman will kind of agree with Ares, much as he did Mordo from Dr. Strange, Magneto, Dexter, and Trask. 

 

Some really clever/ingenious cinematography and tons of great character moments really made this shine.  I was worried  that they would have Diana be Ares's daughter by Hippolyta (basically merging the story of WW and Thrax from the DC animated film), but thankfully they spared us that Empire Strikes Back plot twist. 

 

Beautifully shot, surprisingly rich emotional heart, at times mesmerizing action ... perhaps a little too pat with Ares's pixel storm defeat at the end, but eh ... I was sold by then. 

 

I find it ironic that Warner appears to have halfway given up on this film pre-release and I was wondering why it was needed at all ... and if it was needed, why the fuck it wasn't released a few years ago before WW shows up in BvS (I wasn't a huge fan of the modern day bookends for the film, especially the completely unnecessary first one, but at least they kept 'em brief). 

post #654 of 1108
Kusama's AEON FLUX???
post #655 of 1108
I think we're really stretching the definition of superhero. For all intents and purposes, Wonder Woman is the first purebred superhero film directed by a woman and certainly w/in this 15 year cycle.
post #656 of 1108
Kusama's JENNIFER'S BODY???

she had powers!!!
post #657 of 1108
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why the fuck it wasn't released a few years ago before WW shows up in BvS 

 

I'm pretty sure we all agree with this, but we also already know the answer(s). First, the entire DCEU has been cobbled together pretty much on the fly, with the only "plan" being MAKE FILMS MAKE BANK. Second, it's woman superhero. Hollywood is very, very slow to change and to learn the right lessons (the DCEU itself being a prime example).

post #658 of 1108

Anyone else think Scarlet Johansson is glowering at Marvel right about now?

post #659 of 1108
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Anyone else think Scarlet Johansson is glowering at Marvel right about now?

Not especially. She and the studio have done quite a job steadily raising the character's profile over the last 6 years, but there's still no world in which Black Widow is the equivalent of Wonder Woman.
post #660 of 1108
Plus she's banking like 20 mill a pic for a supporting role.
post #661 of 1108

Black Widow's the definition of supporting role. If anything, Marvel are kicking themselves for not getting Captain Marvel rolling sooner.

post #662 of 1108

too bad fuh them!!

post #663 of 1108

Is that 20 mil a fact, or just a random number pulled out of a hat?  It seems kinda steep.

post #664 of 1108

Just looked it up.  Hot damn, 20 mil for Dulltron.

post #665 of 1108

That was the reported salary for Age of Ultron, second only to RDJ.

post #666 of 1108

She's movie to movie too, not signed on for a specific set of films. Obviously means Marvel could dump her at any minute, but it gives her a lot of bargaining power as long as her star keeps shining bright.

post #667 of 1108

(at the marble offices on the monday after ghost in the shell opens...)
 

 

FEIGE:  "ehehehehehe... GOTCHA!"

post #668 of 1108

(Feige checks if they've already signed a contract for Infinity War...)

 

FEIGE: Bollocks.

post #669 of 1108

I initially didn't mind when Johansson was cast as Black Widow, but when I saw that they went for a basically toothless version of her with an American accent to boot, I lost interest in seeing her in a solo film. We see her hint at this dark past, but that hasn't managed to make her all that interesting. I always had a soft spot for that character and felt that she was best served as a sort of semi-sociopathic Emma Peel (which is where I think her 1970 redesign came from anyway). I feel like she should have been the character in the Avengers who the other team members were ambivalent about and didn't know if they should trust or be afraid of. As it stands, I guess she's the character who makes cute 80's movie references.   

post #670 of 1108

From Patty Jenkins' twitter:

 

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 My producer just sent me this... ABSOLUTELY INCREDIBLE! This makes every hard day worth it. Thank you to whomever wrote it!!❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️

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post #671 of 1108
Too cutesy. Too much. You're losing me nooj.
post #672 of 1108

I'm not the one who wrote it!

post #673 of 1108
post #674 of 1108

Too bad Marvel couldn't get the X-Men back. Because, Dark Phoenix/Jean Grey is who I wished could get her own film. She's one of the strongest superhero in he MU. Period. Combine her with a righteous Storm/Ororo - you've got two of the most powerful female superheros. 

 

Then a strong Rogue and her epic battles with Captain Marvel? Wow. What could've been. 

post #675 of 1108
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From Patty Jenkins' twitter:

 

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Call me when little girls are dismembering Germans with a sword that belongs on the cover of a power metal band's vinyl. 

post #676 of 1108
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Too bad Marvel couldn't get the X-Men back. Because, Dark Phoenix/Jean Grey is who I wished could get her own film. She's one of the strongest superhero in he MU. Period. Combine her with a righteous Storm/Ororo - you've got two of the most powerful female superheros. 

 

Then a strong Rogue and her epic battles with Captain Marvel? Wow. What could've been. 

what?

 

having Jean just stand around in the background in X3 wasn't GOOD ENOUGH FOR YOU???

 

 

yeah, a character that powerful relative to everyone else around her needs to be the lead of her own film, because she ends up being little more than a narrative plot point when she's not  (hence just standing around until it's time for her to destroy stuff)

post #677 of 1108

If not Black Widow - there's also:

 

Moondragon

 

 

Jocasta:

post #678 of 1108
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Originally Posted by mcnooj82 View Post
 

what?

 

having Jean just stand around in the background in X3 wasn't GOOD ENOUGH FOR YOU???

 

 

yeah, a character that powerful relative to everyone else around her needs to be the lead of her own film, because she ends up being little more than a narrative plot point when she's not  (hence just standing around until it's time for her to destroy stuff)


They made her into a damaged bird in that movie. That outright pissed me off. Thank god my introduction to the X-Men were the Claremont/Byrne/Austin comics because they made the female side of the team, AMAZING. 

post #679 of 1108

 

I'm waiting for a Storm solo film / sidequel where she scours the planet in search of the accent she lost between X-Men and X2. 

post #680 of 1108
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Originally Posted by JacknifeJohnny View Post
 

 

Call me when little girls are dismembering Germans with a sword that belongs on the cover of a power metal band's vinyl. 

look,

 

baby steps

 

the long game

 

 

YOU WANT SOME SHOOGAR????

 

take THIS freema!!

 

http://ew.com/movies/2017/06/05/wonder-woman-little-girls-dressed-up-opening-weekend/

post #681 of 1108

Pure pedantry, but I kind of hated the look of that sword. It looks like it came from Snyder's personal collection of fantasy wall-hangers. I'd have preferred something more akin to a xiphos. 

post #682 of 1108

it did kinda look like something that belonged more in TRANSFORMERS LAST KNIGHT

post #683 of 1108
Now I want a Wonder Woman lunchbox.
post #684 of 1108
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it did kinda look like something that belonged more in TRANSFORMERS LAST KNIGHT

At least it's not Ghostbusters and the movie isn't complete dog shit.  THAT was cringe. 

post #685 of 1108

Kids still use lunch boxes?

post #686 of 1108
I don't think I can overstate just how elated I am that this character has seemingly snatched the reins of the DCEU away from Batman and Superman. I'll skip more of these films than not, but I'd be perfectly comfortable with WW becoming the unexpected flagship character of the DCEU (like Iron Man for the MCU), especially if they can't correct their subpar versions of the other two members of the trinity.
post #687 of 1108
Damn Marvel has horrible female characters outside of X Men.

Marvel has the good black characters though. DC got Cyborg? Mama mia
post #688 of 1108
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Damn Marvel has horrible female characters outside of X Men.

Seems like they are trying.

Jessica Jones, Dawson (blanking on name), and Deborah Woll are all interesting/compelling characters. Hot blue cyborg and Gamora were more engaging and had better dialogue than Pratt. Heck, I even liked Evangeline in Ant-Man.

There just hasn't been an MCU leading lady on the big screen.
post #689 of 1108
DC has John Stewart, a pretty cool member of the Green Lantern Corps.
post #690 of 1108

I didn't bring him up, because he's stepping into the shoes of a character who was white forever.  Panther is different as is Cyborg.  

post #691 of 1108

Mr. Terrific

 

Static

 

Vixen

 

Black Lightening

 

Steel

 

Batwing

 

I dispute that assertion cause all these characters are awesome. 

post #692 of 1108

They, unfortunately, share one other trait outside of their skin color and that's really shitty costumes. 

post #693 of 1108

Allow me to retort!!

 

post #694 of 1108

There is no way that Mr Terrific is awesome. Black Manta is kinda cool though!

post #695 of 1108

Mr. Terrific is great. He was particularly awesome in Johns' Justice Society run. He just hasn't had a dedicated run like Priest's Black Panther volume to really cement him as a solo character. Same with Vixen, though Steve Orlando is doing some interesting stuff with her character in his current JLA run - that's a character with a TON of potential that a great writer/artist could do something really special with a solo run.

post #696 of 1108
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Mr. Terrific

 

Static

 

Vixen

 

Black Lightening

 

Steel

 

Batwing

 

I dispute that assertion cause all these characters are awesome. 


Icon is also part of the main DCU, too.

 

Evan Narcisse did a pretty great piece about Icon a while back

post #697 of 1108

ETA: Nevermind, it's late

post #698 of 1108
Mr. Terrific, Steel and Batwing (while all cool) are legacy characters from white guys.

But Static Shock is cool. I wish DC would do more with him.

But yeah, there's no denying Marvel has the stronger black dudes (see the unbelievable moment in Civil War when THREE black guys occupy the same space during the airport fight) while DC has many more women. Modern Black Canary, for instance, would make a cool movie if they focus on her time in a punk band.
post #699 of 1108
I wonder if Aquaman will have much Black Manta (or his rebellious good-guy son) in it.

ETA: Never mind! Google is my friend. Micheal K Williams! Omar comin' to the ocean.
post #700 of 1108
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Originally Posted by Lightning Slim View Post

I wonder if Aquaman will have much Black Manta (or his rebellious good-guy son) in it.

ETA: Never mind! Google is my friend. Micheal K Williams! Omar comin' to the ocean.
That's not who's playing Black Manta. He lobbied for the part but they gave it to Yahya Abdul-Mateen II. Google is your friend but you needed to scroll down a bit.
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