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post #401 of 1033
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Originally Posted by D.T. View Post
 

 

Well enough. I actually picked the Niners to win this week. We're pretty well fucked anyway, so this season is basically a wash and the disaster before a complete rebuild. We're out of bodies for the offensive line, so we're signing people off other teams' practice squads. Palmer can't stay on his feet because there's literally no talent in front of him -- Veldheer was moved back to his blind side, but he's mentally checked out since the CTE study during the offseason. He's on roller skates every single play, refusing putting himself on the line to get the job done. DJ Humphries is clearly a bust, but no one is willing to say it.

 

Our receiver corps are smaller than the Corners they go against, so they're getting beat all the time and Palmer doesn't have the time or the awareness to put it where it needs to be to give them a fighting chance. Defense was okay, but they can't tackle for shit anymore, and Tyrann Mathieu won't ever be 100% again, physically or mentally. That much is clear.

 

That, coupled with a complete unwillingness to make adjustments or accept that our playbook is shit now, makes for a bad team. Arizona is looking at several years of trying to get the right pieces together to be competitive again, because we lack them in basically every aspect of the squad from the top down.*

 

Next season, we'll likely have a new QB, a slap-dash offensive line, a shitty defensive coordinator who still has a job somehow, an even worse special teams coach who's out of his depth, and no Larry Fitzgerald to anchor everything and keep some sort of fire going. No idea as to whether or not we'll still have Bruce Arians, but Michael Bidwill is a shrewd businessman, and I'm sure he sees the sharp decline in his coaching.

 

*The only silver lining is that the Seahawks look like a mess, too. The NFC West is straight up the Rams' for the taking this year.

 

Seattle is looking biopolar all around.  I mean, Blair Walsh.  What the hell?  Meanwhile Hauschka has been aces for the Bills.  I don't want to say that right there is indicative of some systemic problems with Seattle, but they're hitting that plain of doing so much weird stuff on and off the field.

 

Left tackle Rees Odhiambo is out with a bruised heart from a hit last night.  Good lord.  

post #402 of 1033

Kickers in general are all over the place. I'm surprised at how stuck in their ways they were and how badly the changes to the PAT have fucked them all up.

post #403 of 1033

Oh doctor I wish I could have seen the end of that game in a sportsbook.

post #404 of 1033

You'd have to be the most degenerate gambler alive to complain about a bad beat in Las Vegas tonight.

post #405 of 1033

I would never do that. I'm a Tahoe degenerate.

post #406 of 1033

Titans are going to sign Brandin Weedin to replace Mariota while he's injured. Brandin Weedin.

 

NFL, you're making it really, really fucking hard to keep saying Kaepernick isn't being blacklisted.

post #407 of 1033

What is the point anymore?  I would sign inanimate objects before Brandon Weeden.  I'm as bleeding red, white, and blue as this hippie board will possibly allow, and I'd consider signing an American Flag that is actually ON FIRE as QB over Weeden.

 

Raiders should have signed Kaep the minute Carr's diagnosis was whispered in the halls of Oakland.


Edited by First Class 782 - 10/3/17 at 3:06pm
post #408 of 1033

When it comes to the American flag, no one has disrespected it more than Weeden.

 

 

post #409 of 1033

If Brandon Weeden cared about this great land, he would have stood there and bravely been trampled for liberty.

 

Today on local sports talk radio, the Titans' organization explained that they wanted to get someone who "matched Mariota's skill set." I don't know about you, but when I think of an available quarterback who has skill running the read-option offense and can make it better by utilizing his speed, I think of one man: Brandon Weeden.

post #410 of 1033
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Originally Posted by D.T. View Post
 

Titans are going to sign Brandin Weedin to replace Mariota while he's injured. Brandin Weedin.

 

NFL, you're making it really, really fucking hard to keep saying Kaepernick isn't being blacklisted.

Of course he's blacklisted. I heard a guy from Tennessee on Rich Eisen's show this morning, who sounded very sensible BTW, that even though he may not have a problem if Kaep. was signed, he knows a lot of Titan's fans who would never forgive the owner. I mean really people, you hate him that much. Jesus Christ, he's kneeling not pissing on the flag. 

post #411 of 1033

It's just crazy the lengths these teams will go to to try to win... Throwing money away on players they know are washed up, paying wife-beaters, dog-killers, even killers... But the black guy who silently protests before each game? FUCK THAT. 

 

They'd rather lose.

 

It tells me that this isn't about the protest. It's about how owners view the players; that even a millionaire can be viewed by someone else as "the help".

post #412 of 1033

It's just about losing money.  That's it.  Right-wingers may bitch and moan about other player protests, but those other players haven't become a symbol the way Kaepernick has.  If a team signs him, they'll lose a chunk of their fans overnight.  5%?  10?  I don't know.  But enough to make it worthwhile for the owners to blackball him.  Especially when they can do stuff in the meantime like shift the message from other players protesting to a corporate friendly message of "unity"... whatever the fuck that means when people are being killed in the streets.

post #413 of 1033
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Originally Posted by Bailey View Post
 

It's just about losing money.  That's it.  

 

I don't buy it. 

 

For a couple of these teams, Kaepernick would've kept them a playoff contender. Instead they went with guys who make them bottom-feeders overnight. The loss of revenue from going from competitive to losers has to be enormous. 

 

Plus, it's chicken-and-egg. The controversy around Kaep had pretty much died down, until the owners conspicuously treated him like the plague. They viewed him as the worst possible thing in a league that regularly employs actual violent criminals -before- his protests got thrust back into the spotlight.

 

It makes me think of that Dolphins bullying case a few years back, where the team response was basically, "He's a pussy and not a team player" until public outcry made them pretend to give a damn. There's a mentality in the NFL that kind of mixes the military with servitude. Players are expected to be team-first even over their own safety or principles. And some owners in many sports seem to view their ownership of the team as extending over the team members (like when a star, Lebron for instance, leaves in free agency and their ex-team's owner acts like they had no right to do so).

 

Kaepernick is viewed by the NFL as being anti-NFL, because he thinks his protest is more important than a tiny amount of discomfort for the league. That's enough to make him the enemy in a league that employs numerous violent criminals.

post #414 of 1033

First off, it's debatable if he would turn anyone into a contender.  He'd certainly be better than a lot of the alternatives, but that's not the same thing.

 

Second, you don't have to accept my premise, but I honestly believe any team that signs him loses a ton of fans overnight.  And the right wing media machine would stoke the flames further.  Not because of anything Kaepernick is doing, obviously.  But because hate sells, and their base is looking for a reason to be even angrier than they already are.  You've had dozens of players kneeling and raising their fists and the like, but none of them have been turned into a symbol- so while it pisses many fans off, they can still forget about it when the game starts.  But not Kaepernick.  Even though he continues to give to charity and stays quiet, to them he is everything that is wrong with our country.   No potential playoff run would make up for the kind of shitstorm that would come down on the team that signed him.  And don't get me wrong, I'm not excusing the NFL.  He's absolutely being blackballed, and t'm sure they don't like it when they think players think they're above the team.  But that happens all the time in sports for one reason or another.  Talent still wins out.  But not over their bottom line.

post #415 of 1033

I said "-kept- them a playoff contender". I'm think of a handful of teams where a competent QB/Backup is the difference between that 7-9 to 10-6 record where they're in the hunt until the end, and a 4-12 to 6-10 year where they're out of it by week 6. There are also teams that will go from contender to just missing the playoffs or going out in a road playoff game, because they lost 1-2 games that just a decent QB could've helped them win.

 

And you're talking about the situation -now-, after our Wordsalad-In-Chief poured gasoline on the embers. I'm talking about back in the offseason, when Kaepernick only became a story again after teams kept passing on him for clearly inferior QBs. The blacklist predates the high-profile part of the controversy.

post #416 of 1033
Cam Newton outed himself as a fucking fuckface.

Hello, world. Glad you're finally catching up.
post #417 of 1033

I don't think the two interpretations are even in conflict.  Owners hate when they can't control talent absolutely, both because they're bourgeious plantation types that don't like when the help is uppity, and because when the players are seen as controlling their own destiny, all the implications of that threaten the bottom line.  And they assume their fanbases are to a considerable degree racist, and that also threatens the bottom line when a player "acts out" in a political, rather than criminal, way.

post #418 of 1033
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Cam Newton outed himself as a fucking fuckface.

Hello, world. Glad you're finally catching up.

I had forgotten he was a huge douche. Nice of him to remind me.

post #419 of 1033
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I can't wait for that random greek yogurt company to drop him as a sponsor.
post #420 of 1033
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I can't wait for that random greek yogurt company to drop him as a sponsor.

Good call:

 

Dannon cuts ties with Cam - https://twitter.com/byajperez/status/915969117315899392 

post #421 of 1033

We talked about this on my latest podcast (4thandKrol). Aside from Newton's remarks being sexist and stupid, I just can't see what he was thinking. He's not a dumb man; he must know that there's no way this can end well for him. Especially considering it was just a softball question.

 

It just boggles my mind. 

post #422 of 1033
Browns/Jets on Sunday. Feel the excitement!

*tumble weed floats through living room*
post #423 of 1033

Not true! I think the AFC East is one of the more interesting divisions this year. Especially since we might be approaching "The Emperor Has No Clothes" point with the Patriots.

post #424 of 1033
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We talked about this on my latest podcast (4thandKrol). Aside from Newton's remarks being sexist and stupid, I just can't see what he was thinking. He's not a dumb man; he must know that there's no way this can end well for him. Especially considering it was just a softball question.

 

It just boggles my mind. 

Yeah, the fact that he thought about it a couple of seconds before speaking was quite something.

Remember when he called that reporter "Sweetheart" a few years ago?

post #425 of 1033

If the reporter who asked the question has any yogurt endorsement deals she's also likely to lose them fairly soon.

post #426 of 1033

BOth SIdezz!!!1!!

post #427 of 1033
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If the reporter who asked the question has any yogurt endorsement deals she's also likely to lose them fairly soon.

This could be the basis for a fantastic romantic comedy.

 

"HE was a sexist quarterback! SHE was a racist reporter! Together they're learning to be less shitty one day at a time. Michael B. Jordan and Emma Stone star in 'Carolina on my Mind'! Directed by Nancy Meyers."

post #428 of 1033

Featuring Dean Cain as Ron Rivera.

post #429 of 1033
I'd like a reporter to ask Cam something along the lines of, "I find it a little funny, that a man your size pouts like a 4 year old when he loses."

Love to hear his response.
post #430 of 1033

It's weird that Cam would smugly scoff at "the weaker sex" when he gingerly sidestepped recovering a game-deciding fumble in the Super Bowl because he didn't want to get hurt.

post #431 of 1033
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Originally Posted by Devildoubt View Post
 

We talked about this on my latest podcast (4thandKrol).

 

Link that shit, dude.

post #432 of 1033
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Originally Posted by Moltisanti View Post

If the reporter who asked the question has any yogurt endorsement deals she's also likely to lose them fairly soon.

Oh shit! Apparently the reporter sent out some racists tweets a while back.

I didn't know that. I thought this was Moltisanti being snarky about Both Sides people.

I should stop shooting off my mouth!
post #433 of 1033
Got any links to those nasty tweets,,,
post #434 of 1033
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Got any links to those nasty tweets,,,

No, I saw a screenshot of the article talking about them on Jemelle Hill's twitter account.
post #435 of 1033

One of the tweets she said she was driving with her dad who she called super racist, and apparently he was cracking racist jokes the whole ride and she found that hilarious.  Something like that.  The other she called a NASCAR driver the N-word.  Which is just weird.

 

Anyway her being an idiot on social media when she was in college doesn't absolve Cam of the dismissive, almost creepy way he addressed her.  It's not really about her- she just happened to be the target this time.

post #436 of 1033

We got a video.

 

We got picks.

 

You got the eyeballs. Let's put them together.

post #437 of 1033
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Originally Posted by Devildoubt View Post

I didn't know that. I thought this was Moltisanti being snarky about Both Sides people.

I should stop shooting off my mouth!

 

Oh don't worry, I didn't even realize you were taking me to task. It's all good. Don't give it a second thought. I'm glad this is behind us.

 

Who's the mod I contact now to get him banned?

post #438 of 1033

"Mr. Limbaugh told millions of listeners that conservatives should cheer because the decision by players to politicize the sport is backfiring."

 

Yeah, where have I seen politicizing the sport backfire before...

Rush Limbaugh 2003 ESPN Comments on Donovan McNabb ... 

post #439 of 1033
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Oh don't worry, I didn't even realize you were taking me to task. It's all good. Don't give it a second thought. I'm glad this is behind us.

Who's the mod I contact now to get him banned?

Me getting banned from CHUD is the new black. frown.gif
post #440 of 1033
So apparently all you need to do to get open against the Bucs is to make a cut.

Then just wait for us to miss all our field goals and you're golden.
post #441 of 1033
Niners and Rams is the best TNF game we're ever going to get.

What a fucking shit, nothing game.
post #442 of 1033

C'mon, it wasn't bad. I thought it was pretty good, it's always entertaining to see kickers miss kicks they're supposedly to easily make (Sorry Richard). Plus Tony Romo's enthusiasm is always welcome. 

post #443 of 1033
Folk should've been cut before the clock ran out. Have his stuff in a Hefty when he gets back to his locker.
post #444 of 1033

Tampa dropped a TD and missed 3 FGs and the Pats still only won by 5. Brady didn't look sharp and had two turnovers. Is that him or is that the offense's identity right now? And I don't think the defense improved that much--Winston was high on most of his first half passes, and there were some crucial drops. Someone on Twitter joked that Koetter needed to make Winston run the ball--when he came out and was "off" in college, Jimbo would make him run the read option and after he got popped once or twice, he suddenly couldn't miss on his passes.

post #445 of 1033

The Patriots didn't look very good at all. I've never seen a Belichick team make so many stupid penalties.

 

Folk lost that game.

post #446 of 1033
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Originally Posted by Martianman View Post

Tampa dropped a TD and missed 3 FGs and the Pats still only won by 5. Brady didn't look sharp and had two turnovers. Is that him or is that the offense's identity right now? And I don't think the defense improved that much--Winston was high on most of his first half passes, and there were some crucial drops. Someone on Twitter joked that Koetter needed to make Winston run the ball--when he came out and was "off" in college, Jimbo would make him run the read option and after he got popped once or twice, he suddenly couldn't miss on his passes.
He has a shit offensive line and doesn't have at least 3 weapons. Plus when your defense is terrible any mistake by the offense is magnified
post #447 of 1033
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The Patriots didn't look very good at all. I've never seen a Belichick team finally get rightfully called on so many stupid penalties.

 

 

FTFY.

 

<bitter>

post #448 of 1033
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Brady didn't look sharp and had two turnovers. Is that him or is that the offense's identity right now?

 

I think Gronk has become that entire team's security blanket. And the way Belichick manages the team - cheap, serviceable players will do with a strong playbook - is I think starting to finally bite him in the ass. Only after five Super Bowls, though.

 

Cutting LeGarrette Blount (again) after the man scored 18 touchdowns last season made no sense to me. Trading away Chandler Jones because he didn't want to pay the man's first non-rookie contract made no sense to me. If Brady or Gronk asked for a restructure and more money, I honestly bet they'd be gone, too.

post #449 of 1033

The Pats should be 1-4.  But they're 3-2 because... well, I dunno.  Is it Brady and Belichick?  Is it luck?  Is it that we are living in the darkest time line?  All I know is that they're 3-2 instead of 1-4 because of course they are.

post #450 of 1033
It is an interesting question what the Pats wil do with Brady once his contract is up (I don't know the specifics) and he possibly asks for more money. I can certainly see him going to another team for a year or 2 to try and win another SB before he retires. Which begs the question......If Brady joined your team to try and win a SB would you put away all your hatred of him now that he's wearing the jersey of the team you cheer for. ?
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