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Confirmed for November 2, 2018. Simon Kinberg is directing (and making his directorial debut with the film, because that will clearly end well), and Lawrence, Fassbender, McAvoy, Turner, Shipp, McPhee, Hoult, and Sheridan are all returning. Jessica Chastain is in talks to play Lilandra (who THR describes as the "villain").

 

http://www.cbr.com/x-men-dark-phoenix-director-returning-cast-confirmed/?utm_source=CBR-TW&utm_medium=Social-Distribution&utm_campaign=CBR-TW&view=list

 

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/x-men-dark-phoenix-villain-jessica-chastain-talks-role-1013462

post #2 of 56
Is it set in the '90s? That's all that matters!
post #3 of 56

As long as they don't make Magneto the villain (especially after his conclusion in Apocalypse), fine.

 

Shocked they were able to get Lawrence back though.

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I thought that both Lawrence and Fassbender were done done DONE with this shit.  Must be some nice paydays for 'em.

post #5 of 56
I can't wait to see how bored they are in a different time period!
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Also, sounds like they may be reworking the Lilandra character.  In the comics, she's the queen(?) of the Shi'Ar empire.  She wants to neutralize Dark Phoenix after DP devours a star and wipes out an entire civilization.  She's not a bad guy at all, merely someone doing what needs to be done.

post #7 of 56

X-Men movies ended with LOGAN and nothing you can tell me will sway me. 

 

post #8 of 56
Codename, there's a new X-Men movie coming soon to a theater near you!



I think I convinced him.
post #9 of 56
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Also, sounds like they may be reworking the Lilandra character.  In the comics, she's the queen(?) of the Shi'Ar empire.  She wants to neutralize Dark Phoenix after DP devours a star and wipes out an entire civilization.  She's not a bad guy at all, merely someone doing what needs to be done.


Yeah, that struck me too - Lilandra is an antagonist in the original arc, but she's a well-meaning one who's trying to see if there's a way out without killing Jean, but also recognizes that DP is too dangerous to be left unchecked.

 

Watch as somehow it becomes all about Mystique and Magneto, though.

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Watch as somehow it becomes all about Mystique and Magneto, though.

 

Considering how much Fass and Lawrence are probably getting paid, yeah.  They won't be in minor roles.

post #11 of 56
I really thought APOCALYPSE should have been the finale to Singer's whole X-Men run, with LOGAN being a special epilogue. I didn't expect most of the FIRST CLASS to actually return.
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I really thought APOCALYPSE should have been the finale to Singer's whole X-Men run, with LOGAN being a special epilogue. I didn't expect most of the FIRST CLASS to actually return.

 

Just curious...what's Kinberg's reputation?  Is he supposed to be a nice guy?  If so, then I bet he was able to get Fass and Lawrence to return as a favor; help out a friend with his directorial debut to ensure it's successful.  If THAT is the case, then maybe they won't have big roles after all.

post #13 of 56
Maybe they'll get bumped off in the opening scene.
post #14 of 56

Will they finally put some of the actors into older age makeup?

 

Because yeah.

post #15 of 56
I'd love it even more if they didn't. Just like, fuck it, they're mutants. They age like wine.
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Also, sounds like they may be reworking the Lilandra character.  In the comics, she's the queen(?) of the Shi'Ar empire.  She wants to neutralize Dark Phoenix after DP devours a star and wipes out an entire civilization.  She's not a bad guy at all, merely someone doing what needs to be done.

 

Chastain has gone on record saying she wanted to do a superhero movie, but not to be a girlfriend or some other supporting good girl (like IM3, which she was going to do). She said she wants a juicy villain role. Perhaps that has something to do with it.

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Chastain has gone on record saying she wanted to do a superhero movie, but not to be a girlfriend or some other supporting good girl (like IM3, which she was going to do). She said she wants a juicy villain role. Perhaps that has something to do with it.

She would make a great Cameron Chase if DC/WB ever goes that way.

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I really thought APOCALYPSE should have been the finale to Singer's whole X-Men run, with LOGAN being a special epilogue. I didn't expect most of the FIRST CLASS to actually return.

 

Apocalypse and Logan were intended to wrap up the Singerverse. Everything after that was supposed to be looser (if that's even possible) with continuity. Bring on a slate of more experiential films. 

 

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Just curious...what's Kinberg's reputation?  Is he supposed to be a nice guy?  If so, then I bet he was able to get Fass and Lawrence to return as a favor; help out a friend with his directorial debut to ensure it's successful.  If THAT is the case, then maybe they won't have big roles after all.

 

A nice guy with a mixed CV and let's be fair here nothing to his name to suggest he should be directing this. He and Singer butted heads on Apocalypse apparently. 

 

It's kind of an act of God that they managed to get Lawrence back (Fassbender too, but his price-tag isn't in the same galaxy as her's). One can easily imagine this will have a budget to rival Days of Future Past with all the free agents coming back with bigger checks.


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A nice guy with a mixed CV and let's be fair here nothing to his name to suggest he should be directing this. He and Singer butted heads on Apocalypse apparently. 

 

How the hell does a guy jump from having zero directing credits straight to directing a massive tentpole? It's preposterous. They're probably hoping for a Shane Black situation where he magically turns out to be uber-talented at something he's never done in his life.

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How the hell does a guy jump from having zero directing credits straight to directing a massive tentpole? It's preposterous. They're probably hoping for a Shane Black situation where he magically turns out to be uber-talented at something he's never done in his life.

After the critical slaughter and so-so BO of The Mummy, Im not holding out my breath on writers turned directors out of the blue

post #21 of 56
Lawrence doesn't have much going on any more. She peaked early, and frankly, I never understood the hype.

Fassbender tried to have success with another franchise and we all know how that turned out.

They can still do their smaller movies, but the bills have to get paid somehow.

Blame Logan's financial and critical success for this.
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How the hell does a guy jump from having zero directing credits straight to directing a massive tentpole? It's preposterous. They're probably hoping for a Shane Black situation where he magically turns out to be uber-talented at something he's never done in his life.

 

Don't forget that Shane did KISS KISS, BANG BANG before he did IRON MAN 3.  He proved he could get it done and make a good movie in the process.

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Lawrence doesn't have much going on any more. She peaked early, and frankly, I never understood the hype.
 

 

WINTER'S BONE is amazing.  She was a legit talent right from day 1.  She may have gone into 'phone it in' mode recently, but the talent is there.

post #24 of 56
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Lawrence has "mother!" from Aronofsky out later this year, at least.

post #25 of 56
Lawrence is a good actor and she'll be fine, but in terms of box office power in something not tied to a pre-existing IP / franchise, both she and Pratt took a hit with Passengers.
post #26 of 56

Not so much Pratt. That was his first career dent since exploding and it was sandwiched between the mega-hits to his name plus the Magnificent Seven redo which did well.

 

Lawrence was coming off several under-performers before Passengers (Mockingjay Part II, Joy and Apocalypse). That just added another one to the slate plus the perceived backlash to her "Awww shucks, she just speaks her mind!" persona in the press.

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WINTER'S BONE is amazing.  She was a legit talent right from day 1.  She may have gone into 'phone it in' mode recently, but the talent is there.

Also, American Hustle, Joy, Silver Linings Playbook and so on.

I think she clearly phones it in/doesnt put much effort when it comes to blockbusters...then again, after 3 movies being butt naked and painted blue, anyone would feel the same.*

 

*Except Ron Perlman.

post #28 of 56
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Confirmed for November 2, 2018. Simon Kinberg is directing (and making his directorial debut with the film, because that will clearly end well), and Lawrence, Fassbender, McAvoy, Turner, Shipp, McPhee, Hoult, and Sheridan are all returning. Jessica Chastain is in talks to play Lilandra (who THR describes as the "villain").

 

http://www.cbr.com/x-men-dark-phoenix-director-returning-cast-confirmed/?utm_source=CBR-TW&utm_medium=Social-Distribution&utm_campaign=CBR-TW&view=list

 

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/x-men-dark-phoenix-villain-jessica-chastain-talks-role-1013462

Where's Evan Peters?!  His Quicksilver is one of the few characters who actually seems to have any fun.

 

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It's kind of an act of God that they managed to get Lawrence back.

I'm legitimately stunned.  Her indifference was blasting off the screen in APOCALYPSE.

post #29 of 56

More like X-MEN: FUCK YOU DISNEY WE'LL CHURN THIS SHIT OUT BECAUSE WE'RE FUCKING IDIOTS.

 

This will be terrible.

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Where's Evan Peters?!  His Quicksilver is one of the few characters who actually seems to have any fun.

 

Word is American Horror Story's schedule got in the way. That's filming now and Dark Phoenix starts lensing in two weeks.

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Word is American Horror Story's schedule got in the way. That's filming now and Dark Phoenix starts lensing in two weeks.


That's too bad.  Guess we're not going to get a payoff to that botched Magneto relationship!

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I'm legitimately stunned.  Her indifference was blasting off the screen in APOCALYPSE.

In the Apocalypse commentary Singer claimed that she would tell him that she was totally down to come back if they could sort the make-up out. He also posited that Fassbender and Lawrence liked doing them because they're ostensibly ensemble films so they can relax a bit.

 

I'd bet that one of the conditions on their return is reducing the prominence of their roles.

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In the Apocalypse commentary Singer claimed that she would tell him that she was totally down to come back if they could sort the make-up out. He also posited that Fassbender and Lawrence liked doing them because they're ostensibly ensemble films so they can relax a bit.

 

I'd bet that one of the conditions on their return is reducing the prominence of their roles.


Maybe, but I wouldn't think Fox would want to spend the money unless they're going to be of major importance.  I guess we'll see.

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How the hell does a guy jump from having zero directing credits straight to directing a massive tentpole? It's preposterous. They're probably hoping for a Shane Black situation where he magically turns out to be uber-talented at something he's never done in his life.

 

I've understood that there really is a limited amount of guys and gals who can handle directing projects this size, and usually they are very expensive and fully booked. That's why the studios try their luck with indie people (Vogt-Roberts, Edwards, Trevrworoworw) and it sometimes pays off. Though usually that requires giving said indie filmmaker enough time to adapt and surrounding him/her with a well-oiled production machine. I guess another, faster way is to hire someone who at least has some knowledge and experience with blockbuster filmmaking. Though in this case there's a very, very big gap between theory and practice.

post #35 of 56

Poor James McAvoy. I'll continue to pray that you release yourself from this seemingly unending torment and return to us in the light. 

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I've understood that there really is a limited amount of guys and gals who can handle directing projects this size, and usually they are very expensive and fully booked. That's why the studios try their luck with indie people (Vogt-Roberts, Edwards, Trevrworoworw) and it sometimes pays off. Though usually that requires giving said indie filmmaker enough time to adapt and surrounding him/her with a well-oiled production machine. I guess another, faster way is to hire someone who at least has some knowledge and experience with blockbuster filmmaking. Though in this case there's a very, very big gap between theory and practice.

 

Hiring indie directors has proved itself to be a Russian roulette situation - and these are guys who have already shown they can produce a decent film. Now imagine hiring a dude who has literally never directed a thing. Doesn't matter if he's watched other directors work, that's like assuming a guy who's been looking over Picasso's shoulder all his life can go ahead and paint a masterpiece on first try.

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Is that a baby driver?

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post #40 of 56

They must be thanking their lucky stars that Singer isn't directing this. 

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"Cut it out, Storm."

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"Sophie Turner topless and on fire, come see our comic book movie" is like the marketing equivalent of Jeb Bush's "please clap."
post #43 of 56

They should have just said "Naked Pictures Of Sophie Turner Inside!" and watched the issues fly off the shelves. I mean, they wouldn't technically be lying. 

post #44 of 56

Boy I wish I cared about these movies anymore.

post #45 of 56

It looks like the 90's cartoon in the flesh and "coincidentally" takes place in '92.

 

But I have no confidence in Kinberg.

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Have they ever bothered to establish how these characters still look so young?  I mean, it doesn't look like they've bothered to age Fassbender at all, and Magneto's only about a decade away from where we saw him as McKellen in the first X-MEN.  Is it "canonical" that all mutants age slowly?

 

In any event, the basic premise as reported in EW does sound like it has a bit of promise.  The idea of the X-Men as national, beloved heroes and Xavier being a little arrogant about that could be an interesting avenue to mine.

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Have they ever bothered to establish how these characters still look so young?  I mean, it doesn't look like they've bothered to age Fassbender at all, and Magneto's only about a decade away from where we saw him as McKellen in the first X-MEN.  Is it "canonical" that all mutants age slowly?

 

At some point in Apocalypse, that was going to be addressed with that explanation if I remember correctly. Then it got dropped. 

post #48 of 56

Sophie is marginally better than Gal Gadot, but no matter...I don't see her having the range to pull off what this role probably requires.  I certainly don't have any sort of faith in a first time director being able to 'get a performance' out of a middling actor.

post #49 of 56
What's important is that there's another movie you guys can all have serious doubts about.
post #50 of 56
Waiting for the MCU reboot thank you very much.
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