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post #101 of 211

It is a musical up until the climax, when Baby gets spoilered. At that point I guess Wright decided he couldn't justify a music track but it does create a stylistic gap for the film.

post #102 of 211
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I posted a quick review over at my new digs, before the window for such things closes. I'm mostly trying to get a feel for balancing my own voice with trying to make SEO happy. I'm worried it's a little too sterile (I wrote and wrote, then pared down after the fact for optimization), so any feedback would be appreciated.

Nice read until it ended too abruptly for me. Felt like it was really getting good as you started talking specific details like the yanked out earbud thing.
post #103 of 211
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I posted a quick review over at my new digs, before the window for such things closes. I'm mostly trying to get a feel for balancing my own voice with trying to make SEO happy. I'm worried it's a little too sterile (I wrote and wrote, then pared down after the fact for optimization), so any feedback would be appreciated.

Anyway, I kind of think this film is a musical. Literally every major event in Baby's arc happens set entirely to music and every physical action is orchestrated to it. It's like a Disney film except there's gunfire, vulgar language and people getting fucking impaled and blown up.

Dig the new digs DT, I'll be frequenting.
post #104 of 211

Random thoughts:

 

--Liked it more than I thought I would, but not as much as I had hoped.  

 

--I loved the idea of Baby being externally silent, but internally bursting with creativity/movement/energy.  At least, that's how I interpreted the character.  But, how does this mesh with his coffee errand in the beginning of the film?  That scene would have made sense AFTER he's paid off his debt ... or maybe as something he's doing when he thinks he's out of public eye.  I actually loved it at first, but then as the movie progressed I began wondering what to make of it. 

 

--Did they put Baby in a Han Solo jacket to mock the fact that he obviously (for height alone, if nothing else) would have been a better casting choice than Ehrenmidget?

 

--I LOVE the trope subversion.  The guy obviously being set up as the relentless antagonist is offed unexpectedly.  Hamm, who is set up to be the "happier," perhaps somewhat poseurish robber, ends up taking that slot.  Gal gives a scary monologue about not messing with her boyfriend, Foxx starts laughing and calls her on it perfectly.  We find out Baby's name at the end, when everyone expected it to be a mystery throughout.  They get caught.  Etc.  

 

--There comes a point, however, when trope subversion can become problematic when it leads to inconsistent or implausible character motivations.  The final 25% of the film is my least favorite, and a big part of that is the mishandling of Spacey's character.  "I was in love once."  WTF?  I bought absolutely nothing about his final scene.  Similarly, I thought it was interesting that Wright didn't have the two main characters sleep together.  However, that just adds to the implausibility of her waiting five years for him based on a kiss.  I mean, it's going to kind of suck if she finally picks him up and instead of that hot, bad boy action she's been dreaming about they end up having no physical chemistry at all.

 

--The worst part of this film is arguably the final garage fight.  It isn't shot in a particularly creative fashion, it's cliched, and I was kind of disappointed.  I thought it was interesting that we had a foot chase instead of a car chase after the post office heist, but when Hamm was put behind the wheel of a cop car and baby behind the wheel of a sports car I really thought we were going to get an interesting vehicular pursuit sequence.  Instead, we get the stupid use of his girlfriend as a decoy and a boring send-off.   For a movie that was so goddamned alive with awesome direction and great action sequences, I expected more.  Maybe they ran out of budget?  

 

--Great performances from many of the side roles.  Thought they'd be throwaways, but Cinderalla, Hamm, Foxx, and hotter-version-of-Michelle-Rodriguez were great.  Lily James did more with her role than I thought she would.  

 

--Heat mashed with The Town mashed with True Romance.  

 

--It wouldn't be a multi million dollar Hollywood blockbuster without screw-ups in the portrayal of the use of firearms.  One glaring example: Hamm's character sees his girlfriend get shot, so he fumbles putting in a magazine (okay, it didn't look cool, but whatever, he's emotional), moves his weapon into position, and then sweeps out to begin killing cops.  He didn't chamber a round.  Ugh.  


Edited by Overlord - 7/3/17 at 10:59pm
post #105 of 211
I thought this was okay. It's fun for the first half hour or so but then just drops the whimsy altogether and becomes a bunch of scenes of criminals repeatedly distrusting Baby because he listens to an iPod.
post #106 of 211
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I thought this was okay. It's fun for the first half hour or so but then just drops the whimsy altogether and becomes a bunch of scenes of criminals repeatedly distrusting Baby because he listens to an iPod.

Wouldn't you though?  What's he listening to?

post #107 of 211
The love story was pretty "eh" in this, too. What's-her-name literally should've just been named "Love Interest." She's gorgeous, single, emotionally available, has a dead-end job she's willing to leave at a moment's notice. She's idealized to the point where Baby's fancy driving seems more realistic by comparison.
post #108 of 211

Well, it's based on movies and not reality.  Or something?

post #109 of 211
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I thought this was okay. It's fun for the first half hour or so but then just drops the whimsy altogether and becomes a bunch of scenes of criminals repeatedly distrusting Baby because he listens to an iPod.

 

BLADE 3?

 

not a favorite of any of the criminals in this movie

 

except maybe spacey's character

post #110 of 211

Seeing this tomorrow for cheap Tuesday, cause I'm a thrifty bum.  

post #111 of 211

I still rock the Ipod Classic (now out of production), so I'm considered a shifty character by most.

post #112 of 211

You see what I mean?!  Ipod classic?!  What's he up to?!

post #113 of 211
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I still rock the Ipod Classic (now out of production), so I'm considered a shifty character by most.

did you also get it during the 70s like Baby did???

post #114 of 211

The packaging from the flashback looked like early 2000s era Ipod. Those were the days when Steve Jobs promised to put a thousand songs in our pocket, in glorious 128kb/s AAC encoded sound.

post #115 of 211
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I still rock the Ipod Classic (now out of production), so I'm considered a shifty character by most.


I still use a CD Walkman when I go to Planet Fitness. I guess I'm the 21st century version of people who prefer vinyl to digital.

post #116 of 211

Nothing wrong with CD walkman. The headphone amp sound quality on mine is superior to the Ipods and Sandisk players I've tried. I used to carry stacks of CDs with me on the bus until I got the Ipod in 2010.

post #117 of 211

I have to echo Bradito's take. This is certainly a cut above your average Hollywood caper: it has a solid cast (with Foxx the highlight), fun soundtrack that is instrumental to the movie, and some good ideas (most of them tied into the character of Baby, a few into Bats, and there is some mild interest/tension in the dynamic between Bats & Buddy/Darling). Wright directs it well. But yeah, narratively, it devolves HARD about half way through.

 

I could have forgiven a lot of the contrivances and bad storytelling decisions if they were setting up one final, incredible, climactic drive sequence but instead we get... a shoot-'em-up? When characters started spouting bad one-liners before they killed people, like they were in an Arnold movie or something, I was just like, man, what happened to this flick? And yes, Lily James' character was total window dressing, other than that she, like every other character in the movie, seemed to share the same encyclopedic music knowledge. I get that the movie is playing with tropes but it really does feel like it forgets to keep subverting or playing with them and just totally caves to them by the last half hour. Which is disappointing because if it could have taken its set-up then streamlined the plot a bit and then just kept building on that set-up (more moments like when Baby makes them wait for him to restart his song, please!), it might have been a great movie. As it is, I personally found it just okay.

 

For a purported crowd-pleaser, my crowd seemed pretty non-plussed by the back-end of the film, as well. It's just largely uninspired and sloppy (though Wright still dots it with a lot of good moments), which kind of stands out more in stark contrast to the first hour of the movie, so makes it more bothersome in that context than if you were watching, I dunno, a Jason Statham movie.

 

There were times, too, when I couldn't believe how obviously and awkwardly the dialogue was providing info-dumps. But then it was kind of nice how Wright turned that into a joke with Spacey at the chalkboard.

 

I'm just glad that Baby's dancing antics seemed to annoy deaf Joe as much as they annoyed me.


Edited by wasp - 7/4/17 at 8:00pm
post #118 of 211
The couple sitting next to me walked out about a third of the way through.

I just feel like this is one of those movies that people get ridiculously excited about, but it doesn't really live up to the Film Twitter hype.

Anyway, Peyton Reed should've directed this.
post #119 of 211
Man I was looking forward to seeing this, but based on this threads reaction maybe I should really adjust my expectations.
post #120 of 211
I love this movie. Go see it and just enjoy the hell out of it.
post #121 of 211
I liked how Jon Bernthal and Jamie Foxx played the same character.
post #122 of 211
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I liked how Jon Bernthal and Jamie Foxx played the same character.

And I liked how Jon Bernthal announced his impending death, and you don't realize it till the credits roll.
post #123 of 211
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I just feel like this is one of those movies that people get ridiculously excited about, but it doesn't really live up to the Film Twitter hype.
 

 

Some people just really love to watch a decent movie made by someone who clearly loves the same things they love.

 

That's not really my bag, though, while I can still have a decent time watching a decent flick like that.

 

Anthony Bourdain tweeted "Fuck BABY DRIVER" and you would've thought he'd posted a picture of him punching a real live baby, such was the Internet wrath that came upon him.

post #124 of 211
I saw that tweet!

I love that he just left it like that!
post #125 of 211

It's because Baby kept coming to the diner and not ordering anything, right?

post #126 of 211

It's totally a good movie. I just wouldn't call it great. You could certainly do a lot worse.

post #127 of 211

It's more than worth seeing.  Good film. 


Edited by Overlord - 7/4/17 at 9:35pm
post #128 of 211

I guess Anthony Bourdain's taste is all in his mouth.

post #129 of 211

Everything that I wanted to say has been said so I'll just say this.

 

Jon Hamm is the most sympathetic dude in this movie.  Fuck stupid Baby and his "problems."  Jon Hamm's motivations for going ape shit were totally acceptable.  Did you SEE his wife?

 

 

Are you freaking KIDDING me?!

post #130 of 211
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Everything that I wanted to say has been said so I'll just say this.

 

Jon Hamm is the most sympathetic dude in this movie.  Fuck stupid Baby and his "problems."  Jon Hamm's motivations for going ape shit were totally acceptable.  Did you SEE his wife?

 

 

Are you freaking KIDDING me?!


Hotter-version-of-Michelle-Rodriguez brought a shit-ton of plot to his movie.  Just ... so much plot. 

post #131 of 211

The his&hers neck tattoos were a great touch.

post #132 of 211
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The his&hers neck tattoos were a great touch.


I wish I had thought of that first.

post #133 of 211

When she went down I screamed in pain in the theater.  People laughed.  They thought I was joking.  Stupid assholes.  

post #134 of 211
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When she went down I screamed in pain in the theater.  People laughed.  They thought I was joking.  Stupid assholes.  

 

Jon Hamm's character could not possibly garnered any more sympathy than he achieved in that moment.  I felt his loss like an ice pick into my abdomen. 

post #135 of 211
I generally love Wright movies and I had enough fun with Baby Driver to go back for a second viewing. But the Internet hype on this one is a little bit crazy.

Vern has a good point on Wright-mania:

"I have this problem. Wright seems like a really cool guy with great taste in movies and he’s made several very enjoyable comedies. I’ve liked almost all of them, but they are held in such high regard by others that I can’t discuss them without turning into the wet blanket parade-pisser representing the “well, I wouldn’t go that far” viewpoint. There’s a vocal internet contingent that feel every time he makes a movie he completely reinvents cinema, starting with when SHAUN OF THE DEAD changed the very definition of horror so that you’re allowed to put a funny comedy with zombie movie homages on the lists of the best actual horror or zombie movies."

http://outlawvern.com/2017/07/03/baby-driver/
post #136 of 211

That there is apparently a backlash against internet hype for this film makes me glad that I was not exposed to any of said hype.  My relative abstinence from pop culture blogs and Twitter protects me again!

post #137 of 211
yeah! don't touch the hype!

disappointment is built on hype!
post #138 of 211
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I saw that tweet!

I love that he just left it like that!

Yes, seeing that randomly made me laugh out loud.

 

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I generally love Wright movies and I had enough fun with Baby Driver to go back for a second viewing. But the Internet hype on this one is a little bit crazy.

Vern has a good point on Wright-mania:

"I have this problem. Wright seems like a really cool guy with great taste in movies and he’s made several very enjoyable comedies. I’ve liked almost all of them, but they are held in such high regard by others that I can’t discuss them without turning into the wet blanket parade-pisser representing the “well, I wouldn’t go that far” viewpoint. There’s a vocal internet contingent that feel every time he makes a movie he completely reinvents cinema, starting with when SHAUN OF THE DEAD changed the very definition of horror so that you’re allowed to put a funny comedy with zombie movie homages on the lists of the best actual horror or zombie movies."

http://outlawvern.com/2017/07/03/baby-driver/

There's a "vocal internet contingent" for furry porn. Maybe it's okay to ignore "vocal internet contingents."

post #139 of 211

Finally, got around to it. Have nothing new to share. Loved the first act, liked the second act, was often bored and annoyed with a lot of the third act. And I hate to be that "squirrel!" guy, but I could have really gone for one more proper car chase -- especially in the end. Ok flick, but not as great as I hoped. I could watch that first act a dozen times though.

 

ETA: Oh, and some psychopath woman brought her kids with her to see this. I would guess they were about 5 and 7? Needless to say the movie was interrupted about 30 minutes with the howls of one of them crying. What a loon.


Edited by wd40 - 7/5/17 at 10:01am
post #140 of 211

I deliberately skipped the hype, which might play into why I like it so much.

 

I actually thought it was being released a couple of days later than it was, so seeing it on opening night was a surprise to be sure, but a welcome one.

post #141 of 211
Maybe I just don't grok the idea of "backlash" when it comes to this stuff. Is it that people allow the hype surrounding a movie affect their enjoyment or appraisal of the movie itself? Like: "Normally I'd give this pretty good movie three stars, but I don't like the way the director is hailed as the Second Coming in some quarters so I'm knocking off a star to balance things out"? If so, that seems silly.

Vern, it should be said, seems to have the right attitude (which also happens to be mine):

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I can’t hang with some of these claims of groundbreaking filmatistic prowess, but I can’t let that shit bother me either.
post #142 of 211
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Man I was looking forward to seeing this, but based on this threads reaction maybe I should really adjust my expectations.

 

Tempered expectations is a good thing for a movie like this. It's fine and enjoyable, just not nearly everything it could have been given the premise and the people involved.

 

Other than the first couple car chases, it's not really a movie that begs to be seen on the big screen. For that first hour or so, though, I would say it's worth a matinee or Tuesday price.

 

The first chase is really quite wonderful and you watch it and think, "Oh man, if this is it how starts, what are they gonna build up to?!" Unfortunately, the movie commits the cardinal Casino Royale sin of front-loading with what is, far and away, the best action sequence in the film, with each sequence after progressively worse... until you end up with a clichéd show-down in a garage.

post #143 of 211

Don't get me wrong, though, the second car chase is great, too. If the film could have delivered a third sequence on par with those first two, or moved the budget around to give us a great car chase at the end if not in the middle, I think I would have felt a bit more satisfied leaving the theater--on an action-lover level, if nothing else.

post #144 of 211
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Man I was looking forward to seeing this, but based on this threads reaction maybe I should really adjust my expectations.

 

Did you like Edgar Wright's other movies? Do you like car chases? Do you like awesome soundtracks? Do you avoid a movie because some random guy on the internet, who routinely announces to the online world how bored he is with modern movies, tells you that he was bored with this example of modern movies?

 

If you answered "yes" three times, go see Baby Driver.

post #145 of 211
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Did you like Edgar Wright's other movies? Do you like car chases? Do you like awesome soundtracks? Do you avoid a movie because some random guy on the internet, who routinely announces to the online world how bored he is with modern movies, tells you that he was bored with this example of modern movies?

 

If you answered "yes" three times, go see Baby Driver.

 

Wait, am I the "random guy"? Guy who said it was a decent flick and worth a matinee?

 

And I like a ton of modern movies. I love enough of them to have 10 just from the decade so far in my Top 100 of all-time.

post #146 of 211
Here's a brand new piece of weird movie trivia for you: Wright and Jon Ronson are conversing on Twitter about how this and Okja, which came out on the same day, both include the line "everything but the squeal".
post #147 of 211

I always feel weird about the comment "not worth full price viewing" coupled with "needed a bigger budget for third act". I've been seeing it all over in regards to this movie. I saw similar about the first John Wick movie. I practically had to drag my mates to that movie, and pay I may add, to see it. If we would want his movies to have a bigger budget, wouldn't it mean we have to all go and pay full price? Which would mean his next movie would have a bigger budget etc etc. It's really not a chicken and egg situation. One is very dependent on the other. 

 

I agree Edgar Wright is certainly not the be all and end all of movie making but I think he did a great job here that lacked a little in the final implementation, maybe because he lacked the courage of his convictions, studio messing or budget constraints. For a medium to low budget flick which I'm sure had some shooting issues due to the rhythm of the soundtrack, some of which could have been tuned in post I'm sure, I had a great time. It was a refreshing watch. 

post #148 of 211

I think I'd be more forgiving of a weak third act or budget issues if the movie was 15-20 minutes shorter. It felt like Return-of-the-King-itis; it just never seemed to want to end.

post #149 of 211

That's how it goes with budget sometimes, all filler and no thriller. I think it could have been trimmed a bit more, but for the life of me I can't think where. What I would trim would be the bits were Baby is running around listening to his iPod being all moody, but that's nearly the entire premise of the movie. That's why I'm not a film maker. 

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I always feel weird about the comment "not worth full price viewing" coupled with "needed a bigger budget for third act". I've been seeing it all over in regards to this movie. I saw similar about the first John Wick movie. I practically had to drag my mates to that movie, and pay I may add, to see it. If we would want his movies to have a bigger budget, wouldn't it mean we have to all go and pay full price? Which would mean his next movie would have a bigger budget etc etc. It's really not a chicken and egg situation. One is very dependent on the other. 

 

I agree Edgar Wright is certainly not the be all and end all of movie making but I think he did a great job here that lacked a little in the final implementation, maybe because he lacked the courage of his convictions, studio messing or budget constraints. For a medium to low budget flick which I'm sure had some shooting issues due to the rhythm of the soundtrack, some of which could have been tuned in post I'm sure, I had a great time. It was a refreshing watch. 

 

I get what you're saying. I have three young kids and a budget, so a matinee is still a solid recommendation from my perspective, ha.

 

For my part I understand there were budgetary constraints, I guess I just wish the budget had been utilized differently so that we could have a dope car chase at the end of the movie. Cut out some of the gun-fighting, maybe skim from the second car chase, make that one small or something. I don't know that we needed that whole showdown scene with the arms dealers, either. I'd have to watch the movie again, it felt like there were a fair number of action beats in the middle that happened just to, like, inject an action beat of some sort, and that the film could have easily been plotted differently, perhaps more simply, and that would have paved the way for a more satisfying conclusion. But that is just my opinion, and clearly not the film that Edgar Wright chose to make.

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