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post #51 of 277
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Originally Posted by Boone Daniels View Post

 

And I think an approach similar to what Roth articulates above could work, focusing on the emotional facts and feelings of what the Manson murders were and what they did to our psyche as Americans. And I think that's an approach Tarantino could achieve, and it would really be something. I can also see him, so interested in shifting timelines and the past colliding with the present, riffing on this idea from Joan Didion's essay The White Album, about how the Manson murders became this story we tell ourselves, this folklore that lacks clarity:

 

 

Now that I think about it, an approach similar to James Cox's WONDERLAND, where Val Kilmer plays John Holmes and tells the story of the Wonderland Murders, but through a variety of differing perspectives, with the actors taking on different approaches depending on who's telling the story. (REVERSAL OF FORTUNE and ALPHA DOG both do this as well.) 

And, of course, Didion brings up the other great quote from that essay that's in Tarantino's wheelhouse, too: 

 

 

Hunter S. Thompon's Wave Speech comes to my mind reading what you've posted here.

post #52 of 277
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Originally Posted by Fraid uh noman View Post

Best case scenario....this'll be Tarantino's Summer of Sam..

 

Oh, man. This would be good, especially since Manson allows you to do a broad canvas stretching from 1967 or '68 all the way to '70-'71. 

post #53 of 277
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Ahhh, so you think it's going to be a commentary on Trump vis-a-vis the cult of personality of the Manson Family?

Exactly...

 

... not.

 

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Best case scenario....this'll be Tarantino's Summer of Sam..

Or Tarantino's ZODIAC.

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I honestly don't think Tarantino has the sublety or self-control to give us his ZODIAC. 

 

An INHERENT VICE by way of the Manson murders, though, that's a thing he could do. 

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Just want to echo Boone's shout-out to the "Manson in Hollywood" season of You Must Remember This. Longworth's take and rundown of everything that led into the murders and what happened after is a masterpiece of historical storytelling.

post #56 of 277
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Originally Posted by Boone Daniels View Post
 

I honestly don't think Tarantino has the sublety or self-control to give us his ZODIAC. 

 

An INHERENT VICE by way of the Manson murders, though, that's a thing he could do. 

Perhaps not, but I think he could pull off the "examination of paranoia and obsession against the backdrop of a very specific period of time" kind of thing.

 

You're right that he could probably do an INHERENT VICE-ish sort of thing, but as one of the few who don't "get" INHERENT VICE, I'd hope for something a little different.  Or at least more conventionally satisfying.

post #57 of 277
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Originally Posted by Dent6084 View Post
 

Just want to echo Boone's shout-out to the "Manson in Hollywood" season of You Must Remember This. Longworth's take and rundown of everything that led into the murders and what happened after is a masterpiece of historical storytelling.

 

http://www.youmustrememberthispodcast.com/search?q=manson

 

This discussion got me to pull down Jeff Guinn's Manson book from a few years back off the shelf. I've been working my way through his Jonestown book, so I might go back to this. 

post #58 of 277
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Originally Posted by Belloq87 View Post
 

Perhaps not, but I think he could pull off the "examination of paranoia and obsession against the backdrop of a very specific period of time" kind of thing.

 

Oh, I absolutely agree with this, and one angle I can definitely see him doing, and doing well, is how Manson, before and after, filtered out and affected the whole Hollywood/Los Angeles community.

 

The Guinn book opens with Dennis Wilson and his buddies hanging out at one of the clubs on the Sunset Strip, and how that was just the state of things in the late 60s among the young music and Hollywood community - they were just, like, regular people, man.

 

Snap forward to Steve McQueen packing heat at Sharon Tate's funeral. 

post #59 of 277
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Originally Posted by Carnotaur3 View Post

I'm with fraid. Manson and his story is too dark, dusturbed and deep for someone like Tarantino to futz around with as some crazy mix of genres.

 

Yeah. this makes no sense.  If he can make a movie about slavery work, he can make a movie about this sunject work.   This is way more in his wheelhouse.

post #60 of 277
You can only go up from Hateful 8.

I don't get the pre outrage. There is no way this will be enjoyably violent.
post #61 of 277
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Originally Posted by Bailey View Post

Yeah. this makes no sense.  If he can make a movie about slavery work, he can make a movie about this sunject work.   This is way more in his wheelhouse.
I totally acknowledge that a movie that works in ways I could have never anticipated could result from this. It may come out and be great and nobody has any issues with it. I just can't picture that movie. And if I were a filmmaker, I wouldn't touch this story with a ten foot pole..
post #62 of 277

To me one of the keys to appreciating Tarantino is finding the moral stakes in all his movies.  People who look at his movies as a collection of exploitative, violent scenes do him a disservice.  He's always saying something.  Whether you agree or disagree with it is another thing altogether.  I see no reason he won't find an interesting angle to pick at here.

post #63 of 277
If there's a difference here from his usual topics is he's that playing with real people this time. It's the story of the murder of a pregnant woman within living memory for a lot of people. You know Tarantino's not going to be coy in his treatment of it, not to mention the high probability of QT's Manson ending up as a quotable, charismatic anti-hero. Spare a thought for poor Roman Polanski!

All that aside it's a great topic for Tarantino. It'll probably be like I Spit On Your Grave goes to Woodstock.
post #64 of 277
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Originally Posted by Paul C View Post

If there's a difference here from his usual topics is he's playing with real people this time. It's the story of the murder of a pregnant woman within living memory for a lot of people. You know Tarantino's not going to be coy in his treatment of it, not to mention the high probability of QT's Manson being a quotable, charismatic anti-hero. Spare a thought for poor Roman Polanski!

Well, he DID kill Hitler. And Goebbels. And Goering.

 

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To me one of the keys to appreciating Tarantino is finding the moral stakes in all his movies.  People who look at his movies as a collection of exploitative, violent scenes do him a disservice.  He's always saying something.  Whether you agree or disagree with it is another thing altogether.  I see no reason he won't find an interesting angle to pick at here.

I think there's more than meets the eye, but I thought the subtext of Django and Hateful Eight were both so jumbled and contradictory that I'm not sure they said what they were trying to say. (I speak as someone who likes both movies.)

post #65 of 277
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Originally Posted by Paul C View Post

 You know Tarantino's not going to be coy in his treatment of it, not to mention the high probability of QT's Manson ending up as a quotable, charismatic anti-hero. 

 

Manson was a greasy, racist, angry sexual predator and murderer. My biggest fear is that this is not just a probability, but all but guaranteed.

post #66 of 277
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I think there's more than meets the eye, but I thought the subtext of Django and Hateful Eight were both so jumbled and contradictory that I'm not sure they said what they were trying to say. (I speak as someone who likes both movies.)

 

I can see that with H8, which was a deeply misanthropic screed.  Less so with Django Unchained, which I think portrayed slavery as an absolute evil.

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post #68 of 277
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Originally Posted by Boone Daniels View Post
 

 

Manson was a greasy, racist, angry sexual predator and murderer. My biggest fear is that this is not just a probability, but all but guaranteed.

 

Kurt Russell was a "cool" stuntman who ended up being a sad, pathetic, dork who got the shit beaten out of him in Death Proof.   Just sayin'.

post #69 of 277
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Originally Posted by Fraid uh noman View Post

Best case scenario....this'll be Tarantino's Summer of Sam..
Jokes on you, because Summer of Sam fucking rules!
post #70 of 277
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Jokes on you, because Summer of Sam fucking rules!
I did say BEST case scenario!
post #71 of 277

Bailey, you made two great points with your last two responses, so I'm going to just respond to them together, because I think you've hit at what I'm getting at. Yes, you could argue that the author or creator of a project ultimately has a responsibility to himself and we should always consider the underlying work  - but I also look at the memefication of Hans Landa and I'm seeing how easily that could be applied to Manson (who, let it be said, is already kind of a meme). I think you make a good argument about Death Proof - and also Leo in Django, who really does walk that line between charismatic and absolutely repulsive. 

 

But I think my concern ultimately comes down to - this is strange to say - Tarantino's skill as a filmmaker. His filmmaking draws attention to itself in ways that are often brilliant - I'll never forget sitting down for Inglorious, unsure of what to really expect, and then being amazed at that first scene just going on and on and just enraptured at the balls that this was what his war movie was going to be - but I feel like, personally, any approach to the Manson murders needs to know when to be flashy - it was a flashy time - and when to be unobtrusive. In Jackie Brown, he understands that. 

 

I don't really know if he remembers how to hit that balance between flash and unobtrusiveness anymore. 

 

But I'm happy to be wrong. I want any movie to be good, and I really do like him as a filmmaker. 

post #72 of 277
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Originally Posted by Belloq87 View Post

Perhaps not, but I think he could pull off the "examination of paranoia and obsession against the backdrop of a very specific period of time" kind of thing.

I'm not saying it's great or anything, but that was sort the point of the David Duchovny led period cop show Aquarius. While it only lasted two seasons, but its this exact time period, and built up to and around this very event.
post #73 of 277
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I'm not saying it's great or anything, but that was sort the point of the David Duchovny led period cop show Aquarius. While it only lasted two seasons, but its this exact time period, and built up to and around this very event.


Couldn't get into that one and I stuck with it for like four or five episodes.

post #74 of 277

I just so happen to be Facebook friends with Paul Schrader, and he had this nugget to share from Tarantino himself: "My script isn't about the Manson family, but it's about Hollywood in 1969 and they are in it."

post #75 of 277

Next time you get Schrader on the horn ask him what was up with DOG EAT DOG. Like what the hell, man. What was that?

 

In those words.

post #76 of 277
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Next time you get Schrader on the horn ask him what was up with DOG EAT DOG. Like what the hell, man. What was that?

 

In those words.

I remember thinking the opening scene was pretty cool and then the rest of the movie happened. 

post #77 of 277

The guy he cast to play "Diesel." I mean maybe he really brought it during the audition. It did not translate on film.

post #78 of 277

I just think Barry humblebragging about who he's Facebook friends with is hilarious, regardless of the news.

post #79 of 277

I'll be honest, if I was fishing buddies with the writer of THE YAKUZA I'd be dropping that name all over these boards. It'd be "Paul and I" this and "Paul and I" that all the live long day.

post #80 of 277
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I just think Barry humblebragging about who he's Facebook friends with is hilarious, regardless of the news.
Samus is a woman. He's Kathleen Kennedy under that helmet..
post #81 of 277

ONCE UPON A TIME IN HOLLYWOOD

post #82 of 277
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Originally Posted by Barry Woodward View Post
 

ONCE UPON A TIME IN HOLLYWOOD

 

jesus fucking christ

post #83 of 277
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Originally Posted by Mangy View Post

Well, he DID kill Hitler. And Goebbels. And Goering.

I think there's more than meets the eye, but I thought the subtext of Django and Hateful Eight were both so jumbled and contradictory that I'm not sure they said what they were trying to say. (I speak as someone who likes both movies.)

But that's sort of the point: Unchained is the Lincoln letter that Samuel L. Jackson carries around, the lie that we've totally gotten over slavery and racism. Hateful8 proves we haven't--at all.

Bailey's right, Keep Calm and trust the Tarantino.
post #84 of 277

If Manson and company are indeed just background players in a story about Hollywood, I'll be relieved. Otherwise, I feel absolutely no obligation to "trust the Tarantino" when it comes to a real-world semi-recent tragedy.

post #85 of 277
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Originally Posted by Jacob Singer View Post
 

If Manson and company are indeed just background players in a story about Hollywood, I'll be relieved. Otherwise, I feel absolutely no obligation to "trust the Tarantino" when it comes to a real-world semi-recent tragedy.

 

And I'm out of rep. 

post #86 of 277
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Originally Posted by Boone Daniels View Post
 

 

And I'm out of rep. 

 

Did it for you.

 

I just can't fathom this movie. Tarantino would have to completely transform into another side of himself if he wants to execute this right. The probability of that is so slim. 

post #87 of 277
I'm telling you guys....my worst case scenario that's in my head is so gross I dare not even post about but I'm gonna give a bit out there in case I turn out to be right, I want it documented. Actually...no, I'm just gonna leave it right where it's at. In the darkest corners of my psyche..
post #88 of 277
Yeah...some of you guys really do need to chill.
post #89 of 277

Daniel Bruhl as Polanski.

post #90 of 277
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Originally Posted by Barry Woodward View Post
 

ONCE UPON A TIME IN HOLLYWOOD...

Barry walked down Hollywood Boulevard, got his picture taken in front of Grauman's with a homeless man dressed like Jack Sparrow and then he had lunch at a lovely deli.

 

He also likes to friend celebrities on Facebook.

post #91 of 277
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Originally Posted by Mike J View Post
 

Barry walked down Hollywood Boulevard, got his picture taken in front of Grauman's with a homeless man dressed like Jack Sparrow and then he had lunch at a lovely deli.

 

He also likes to friend celebrities on Facebook.


I'm sure the Mike J edition is equally exciting.

post #92 of 277
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Originally Posted by Malmordo View Post
 


I'm sure the Mike J edition is equally exciting.


It's pretty good. Napoleon Dynamite is set to play me in the movie adaptation. 

post #93 of 277
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Originally Posted by FilmNerdJamie View Post
 

Daniel Bruhl as Polanski.

 

This is the only good casting suggestion to ever come out of any of these threads.

post #94 of 277

What? While Mathieu Amalric is right there?

post #95 of 277

 After H8, I thought a giallo would be a good idea for QT.  A movie with colorful characters and lots of violence is right up his alley. He is also an fan of slasher movies as well. My first thought when I heard that he was making a movie about Manson was, that is kinda in the same ballpark as a giallo. One of the appeals of QT is that his movies have a twisted sense of fun: seeing Hilter eat lead and Django blowing up Candyland for instance. There is nothing fun about Manson; so I hope that this movie is about LA in the late 60s with a Manson subplot.

post #96 of 277

Casting Morgot seems like it's not about a Manson subplot... but actually the plot. I can see her as one of Manson's manic girls. 

post #97 of 277

I just don't get the premature hand-wringing when you have no idea what the movie is going to be like.  If you've lost faith in him as a filmmaker, that's another matter entirely.  But he's 8 for 8, in my opinion.

post #98 of 277

I can't understand how slavery and the Holocaust are okay subjects for Tarantino, but a serial killer in the sixties is just too raw. 

post #99 of 277

Maybe it'll be a wacky comedy, starring Bob Odenkirk

 

Just felt the thread needed this clip sooner or later.

post #100 of 277

I think it's a good bet this is going to be an anthology film. PULP FICTION '69, if you will.


Edited by Barry Woodward - 7/14/17 at 12:20am
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