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post #51 of 73
IT MAKES NO SENSE
post #52 of 73

I somewhat agree with the Randian accusations on Tomorrowland but I think the structure exacerbates that problem, because the film becomes so confused narratively there's no chance for its themes to be presented in a way that might have been more understandable or clarified.

post #53 of 73
Man, you guys are making Tomorrowland out to be way more complicated than it is.

The key to the Big Orb Machine is that it is also a transmitter, we see this as Clooney is able to pick up its signal from his house on Earth. So the problem is that Tomorrowland built a machine to predict the future but the machine then also put the bad vibes it picked up and sent them back into the air. It was a negativity feedback loop, so mankind's pessimism just fed on itself(thus the Doomsday Machine's prediction becoming more and more certain).

Casey is only special in that she is an optimist when everyone else is not.

And, come on, the Galt's Gulch and "Randian" read are kind of ridiculous when Tomorrowland is completely altruistic.
post #54 of 73

Not completely ridiculous because the film does imply a certain hierarchy of the best minds and people and so on. I agree with your counter to that argument, but the problem is that film is such a mess that it doesn't really take time to balance out its interesting premises and develop them in thoughtful ways, it's so busy playing Twister with its plot.

post #55 of 73
That's the part I don't get about the machine.

Was it just sending out bad vibes? Or sending actual visions of the future out to people on earth? As nightmares when they were sleeping?

I mean, how did Dr House expect humanity to respond to either of those without context??? He's an idiot if he thought people would collectively act positively based on negative visions! Especially if they were just BAD VIBES.

IT MAKES NO SENSE

it's a potentially compelling thematic concept that is rendered into abstract nonsense when it becomes part of the logic in a villain's big scheme monologue before a generic action finale
post #56 of 73
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Originally Posted by mcnooj82 View Post

That's the part I don't get about the machine.

Was it just sending out bad vibes? Or sending actual visions of the future out to people on earth? As nightmares when they were sleeping?

I mean, how did Dr House expect humanity to respond to either of those without context??? He's an idiot if he thought people would collectively act positively based on negative visions! Especially if they were just BAD VIBES.

IT MAKES NO SENSE

it's a potentially compelling thematic concept that is rendered into abstract nonsense when it becomes part of the logic in a villain's big scheme monologue before a generic action finale


I always saw it as just a subliminal bad vibes machine, not one sending specific visions.  And yes, the plan - while backed by an intriguing motivation - doesn't make much sense... mostly because the film crams it all into the last 20 minutes instead of letting a full running time explore the concept.

post #57 of 73
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Not completely ridiculous because the film does imply a certain hierarchy of the best minds and people and so on. I agree with your counter to that argument, but the problem is that film is such a mess that it doesn't really take time to balance out its interesting premises and develop them in thoughtful ways, it's so busy playing Twister with its plot.

I definitely agree that the film is a bit of a mess and just way too busy for its own good. I mean they hop in a teleporter just to get to Paris in order to rocket to Tomorrowland, literally a 10 minute sequence or so of using one fantastic form of travel to get to another fantastic form of travel. And the film would've been greatly improved by not only getting to Tomorrowland sooner but also getting to see more of it as a place with people in it, as presented we get everything mostly through dialogue with one guy(Hugh Laurie)

 

As for the Objectivist angle I guess I just don't see the idea of 'our best and brightest' as a bad thing really. Though considering the film goes out of its way to egalitarian-ize the concept of 'our best and brightest' to include less scientific/academic types like farmers and game wardens(not to mention a busking musician) it seems the filmmakers were probably aware of how it would come off, so there must be something to it.

 

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That's the part I don't get about the machine.

Was it just sending out bad vibes? Or sending actual visions of the future out to people on earth? As nightmares when they were sleeping?

I mean, how did Dr House expect humanity to respond to either of those without context??? He's an idiot if he thought people would collectively act positively based on negative visions! Especially if they were just BAD VIBES.

IT MAKES NO SENSE

it's a potentially compelling thematic concept that is rendered into abstract nonsense when it becomes part of the logic in a villain's big scheme monologue before a generic action finale

The bad vibes it was putting out was an accident, no one realized that that was happening until the end.

 

Hugh Laurie's character actually ends up not having a much of a scheme at all, he and the rest of dystopia-Tomorrowland are pulling the closest thing to a Galt's Gulch, leaving the Earth to its fate.

The movie is certainly a mess and I would say the vast majority of its problems stem from the fact that they arrive at Tomorrowland so, so late in the film.

 

I still kind of love it and it'll be interesting to see if this and Tron Legacy, The Lone Ranger, John Carter, and presumably A Wrinkle in Time end up in a 'flawed but well liked' grouping like the "Dark Disney" stuff from the later 70s, early 80s(The Black Hole, Somethign Wicked This Way Comes, etc). And I would never say something involving a grown and jaded man using a jetpack he invented as a kid to fly the robot girl he is in love with to blow up a doomsday machine was generic.

post #58 of 73
Thread Starter 

Look, man, I just like the look of Tomorrowland and I love the whole Plus Ultra stuff. If I was redoing Future World at Epcot I'd make it more in that vein. 

post #59 of 73

Tomorrowland was better in Midnight Special.

post #60 of 73
Thread Starter 

didn't see it

post #61 of 73
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Look, man, I just like the look of Tomorrowland and I love the whole Plus Ultra stuff. If I was redoing Future World at Epcot I'd make it more in that vein. 

Remember that whole sinister viral marketing push that made Plus Ultra sound like something that was actually important to the plot?

This was so intriguing!  And barely part of the movie at all.

 

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The movie is certainly a mess and I would say the vast majority of its problems stem from the fact that they arrive at Tomorrowland so, so late in the film.

Correct.

post #62 of 73
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didn't see it

It's really good! Aren't you a huge Michael Shannon fan?

post #63 of 73
Thread Starter 

Yeah, I have to imagine the script got really muddled. Drew wrote a review/preview of the project just as it was beginning shooting that made it seem like they were going to directly connect Plus Ultra to Walt and Tomorrowland. 

 

Whatever, I own that pin and it's dope. 

post #64 of 73
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It's really good! Aren't you a huge Michael Shannon fan?


I am a huge fan of America's Greatest Living Actor, but I realized today that there are big gaps in my filmography of him. He works so much! 

post #65 of 73

+ Midnight Special

- Salt and Fire

 

Sorry, Werner! 

post #66 of 73
even I saw Midnight Special!!!
post #67 of 73

Shannon's fucking great in Midnight Special.

post #68 of 73

"I like worrying about you."  :'(

post #69 of 73

I so wish I hadn't seen Tomorrowland before Midnight Special! Midnight Special is a very good movie where, at the very end, all I could think was, "This is a lot like Tomorrowland right here!"

post #70 of 73
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I so wish I hadn't seen Tomorrowland before Midnight Special! 

so does Jeff Nichols!!!

post #71 of 73

I love the books, they were like a gateway drug to science fiction and fantasy when I was a child. I really hope this film does the book justice. I am holding out hope despite the trailer, I love the source material and I like Pine. 

post #72 of 73
So are the future people or whatever they are like that in the book too? Having never read the book, and not even knowing it was a book, I was just kind of getting Bill & Ted future vibes off them, but are they actually like that in the book?
post #73 of 73

They are otherly, eccentric creatures. This was always going to be a place that it would be easy for the film to stumble. I don't think the casting is doing them favors. Oprah is all wrong. I think lesser known actors would have been preferable. The make-up and all that, no, I didn't envision them like that when I read the book.

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