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post #501 of 556

Speaking of big time famous writers, this has to be one of the most ambitious projects in recent memory: 

 

http://hogarthshakespeare.com/

post #502 of 556
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convenient

I'm a hypocrite! 

post #503 of 556
that's not an escape hatch!

you'll pay
post #504 of 556

How about Columbus, eh?

 

Pretty good, amirite?

post #505 of 556
not yet
post #506 of 556
On the list ranking my favorite cities in Ohio, it's definitely a city in Ohio.
post #507 of 556

Indiana in this case. I'm just teasing Nooj about not watching a really great John Cho movie about architecture, even though he has Hulu but is using it to instead watch Three Ninjas.

 

Anyways, if other people don't read fan fiction because they're sexist then fuck them. But I don't read it (and when I say fan fiction, I mean stuff put online by unpublished authors) because it tends to be bad. 

 

Also I tend to have a policy of not liking sequels in general. That counts for "official" and "unofficial."

 

If you haven't noticed, I keep halfheartedly boycotting new Star Wars until I end up watching them for free. 

post #508 of 556
the three ninjas on Hulu is the more violent cut!!!
post #509 of 556

How about Surf Ninjas, eh?

 

Pretty good, amirite?

post #510 of 556
Surf Ninjas meets Surf Nazis Must Die. Now there's a crossover fanfic waiting to happen.
post #511 of 556

you know... aside from the trailer for Surf Ninjas that was on my Secret of the Ooze VHS, I've never actually seen it!

post #512 of 556

No need to bother. 3 Ninjas is the superior film. 

post #513 of 556

You know, I'm not gonna say I've always been a cuck libtard virture-signalling SJW, but I fucking loved Keno when I was a kid. He was the best part of Secret of the Ooze, and was so cool to adolescent Bart. And he didn't need to be a white guy or anything!

 

I watched Surf Ninjas for him, but stayed for the Rob Schneider. 

post #514 of 556
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Anyway, Kayleigh Donaldson gets it: 

 


http://www.pajiba.com/film_reviews/ready-player-one-is-everything-wrong-with-geek-culture.php

 

I could argue that the bolded portion is part of the fanfiction discussion we're having! 

From that review:

 

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 This is the Family Guy of books, only with a way higher degree of smugness at the heart of it.

That pretty much seems to sum up why I have zero interest in this movie and its source material.

I honestly cant believe Armada is a worse book.

post #515 of 556

Armada is more blatantly misogynistic and sexist than RP1. 

post #516 of 556
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Armada is more blatantly misogynistic and sexist than RP1. 

Holy fuck. Really?

post #517 of 556
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Holy fuck. Really?

 

I'm not kidding when I say the passage I shared is the description of the only other female character in the book. She's the love interest, and the only other female character of note is our narrator's hot mom. 

 

There's a lot written about how the mom is hot. 

post #518 of 556
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I'm not kidding when I say the passage I shared is the description of the only other female character in the book. She's the love interest, and the only other female character of note is our narrator's hot mom. 

 

There's a lot written about how the mom is hot. 

Well, at least it seems Cline knows how to write for a target audience.

post #519 of 556

This review of the book is pretty spot on, and hits on the awfulness without making you read the book. 

http://www.slate.com/articles/arts/books/2015/07/armada_by_ernest_cline_follow_up_to_ready_player_one_reviewed.html 

 

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Zack’s mom is one of the very few women in the book who get any airtime at all, as is his love interest, a fellow gamer recruit named Lex. You might wonder: What is Lex about? What motivates her? It doesn't matter. What's important about her is that she's a hot girl from Austin who gets his jokes, has “alabaster skin,” sports a seminude Tank Girl tattoo, and wants to make out with our hero after hearing that he's one of the best Armada players in the world:

“My Terra Firma ranking is too abysmal to say out loud,” I said, laying on the false modesty with a trowel. “But in the Armada rankings I'm currently sixth.”
Her eyes widened, and she swiveled her head around to stare at me.
“Sixth place?” she repeated. “In the world? No bullshit?”
I crossed my heart, but did not hope to die.
“That's some serious bill-paying skillage,” she said. “Color me impressed, Zack-Zack Lightman.”
“Color me flattered, Miss Larkin,” I replied.

It's a cringingly terrible and transparent bit of self-indulgence, one of many in the book that walks so close to the line of video game fan fiction that it becomes nearly indistinguishable.

post #520 of 556
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You know, I'm not gonna say I've always been a cuck libtard virture-signalling SJW, but I fucking loved Keno when I was a kid. He was the best part of Secret of the Ooze, and was so cool to adolescent Bart. And he didn't need to be a white guy or anything!

 

I watched Surf Ninjas for him, but stayed for the Rob Schneider. 

 

Put me down for Ernie Reyes Jr. as well... and now he has a national martial arts chain across the country. 

post #521 of 556

it was great seeing him beating up on the rock and seann william scott in the rundown

post #522 of 556

He was in that?  I had no idea. 

post #523 of 556

was he ever

 

post #524 of 556

Intense

post #525 of 556

As if we needed more proof Cline has one gear, and one bag of tricks: 

https://www.theverge.com/2017/12/10/16758732/ernie-cline-ready-player-one-book-sequel

post #526 of 556

ARMADA is proof enough of that. He's not a very good writer but throw in a ton of nostalgia and pop culture and people will lose their minds over it.

post #527 of 556
Hey, publishers, I'll write you the exact same thing better for half as much! Call me!
post #528 of 556

I can't be the only person who's noticed "geek culture" is now basically the epicenter of popular entertainment, and the term doesn't really mean anything anymore.

 

If we're being honest, "geek culture" today consists of fanfic writers, furries, and toon erotica illustrators.

post #529 of 556

True. Once Hollywood made geek culture its' bitch it definitely lost all heart and meaning to those who were around when being a nerd wasn't trendy.

post #530 of 556
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If we're being honest, "geek culture" today consists of fanfic writers, furries, and toon erotica illustrators.
Our day will come.
post #531 of 556
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I can't be the only person who's noticed "geek culture" is now basically the epicenter of popular entertainment, and the term doesn't really mean anything anymore.

If we're being honest, "geek culture" today consists of fanfic writers, furries, and toon erotica illustrators.

Jupiter Ascending had a shot at elevating furries, but they defurried Channing Tatum’s space wolf-boi and ruined it
post #532 of 556

 In the case for good fan fiction, one could say that Kim Newman's Anno Dracula series is fan fiction. The books are filled with fictional and historical figures. Newman does put a spin on them. His James Bond stand in, the vampire Hamish Bond, is Newman's way of saying he believes Bond is a dick. He did turn Kate Reed, who was a character that Stroker created, but didn't use in Dracula, into a major character. For the most part the action in the books are driven by original characters. 

post #533 of 556

Planetary, by Warren Ellis, is another good example of "change one thing" that Bort was talking about. 

post #534 of 556
And there is Alan Moore’s League of Extraordinary Gentlemen.

But all the works we mentioned have their own beat and narrative, while Cline’s narrative IS the references and nostalgia.
Translate RPO or Armada to the language of someone whose never encountered or knows any of its pop culture background, and they wouldn’t understand any of it, nor would the books make any sense whatsoever.
It’s pretty damn hollow and mediocre all things considered
post #535 of 556
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Planetary, by Warren Ellis, is another good example of "change one thing" that Bort was talking about. 

Yeah, there’s a reason when they literally meet Batman is my least favorite Planetary story. Much prefer, say, the funeral for “Constantine.”
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Yeah, there’s a reason when they literally meet Batman is my least favorite Planetary story. Much prefer, say, the funeral for “Constantine.”

Seriously? It’s one of the best Batman takes in modern comics.
The moment with the future Batman and the broken man who is causing the reality shifts it’s right there with Valerie’s letter from V for Vendetta for me.
It tears me up every time I read it, and I love that Elllis uses Planetary to write his definite take on Batman and how the character works across mediums and eras.
And Cassaday’s art alone makes that book a treasure.
post #537 of 556

Ugh, Bart's right. That Batman comic is the worst. I don't even pretend it's part of the run.

 

The way Ellis frames the election and PMship of Thatcher as the inciting incident for all that British comic craziness in the funeral issue is some of my favorite writing from him.

post #538 of 556
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Ugh, Bart's right. That Batman comic is the worst. I don't even pretend it's part of the run.

The way Ellis frames the election and PMship of Thatcher as the inciting incident for all that British comic craziness in the funeral issue is some of my favorite writing from him.

Try reading the version with the script included; Ellis explaining his takes on Batman and each iteration of him is fantastic.
And I actually kinda dislike that whole Vertigo episode of Planetary; the shift of that Constantine expy to Spider Jerusalem always seemed to me to be a bit crass from Ellis.
And while I get the whole Thatcher as the catalyst for the whole British 80s comic book movement, I still think brits blame Thatcher for a lot of things that were already present in their society and culture, and that she just brought to the surface...like Trump does now.
Alan Moore at least was fair and objective in V for Vendetta, making sure both fascism and socialism/communism got their turn on the roasting pit (V’s TV speech); it’s the reason I fucking hate the movie so much...it traded Moore’s timeless critique of extremism and populism for a Dubya dig that dated and diminish the whole theme of the story.
post #539 of 556

One point in regards to the gross fetishism in Cline books. Is it not just another aspect of it being, in essence, fanfic? And while it might be of no use to me, as is true of the vast majority of fanfic, would that not mean its serving its purpose as is the maligned vampire sex novels? Or to use the reference I use as a go-to when discussing fanfic, the romantic erotica featuring Harry and Mary from the Home Alone movies?

 

Can't slam one without slamming the other, it seems to me. Even allowing for RP1's much larger audience. It's trafficking in much more popular kink!

post #540 of 556

True. Again, this us Hollywood milking the geeks like they did the women with the sparkly vampire films.

 

Someone pointed out on Twitter that this is essentially Ethics in Gaming Journalism: The Movie and that's an incredibly apt description.

post #541 of 556
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Seriously? It’s one of the best Batman takes in modern comics.
The moment with the future Batman and the broken man who is causing the reality shifts it’s right there with Valerie’s letter from V for Vendetta for me.
It tears me up every time I read it, and I love that Elllis uses Planetary to write his definite take on Batman and how the character works across mediums and eras.
And Cassaday’s art alone makes that book a treasure.

I respect where you're coming from, but the actual execution is just rote. Batman in an alley turning into other Batmen. Didn't feel organic at all. 

post #542 of 556
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I respect where you're coming from, but the actual execution is just rote. Batman in an alley turning into other Batmen. Didn't feel organic at all. 

 

I expect Boone to have dumb opinions, but you Bart? YOU?!?!

 

What's more organic than The Planetary Team, in a seamless meshing of their "Snowflake Multiverse" with the DC Multiverse, meeting ALL iterations of The Batman, in the very Alley in which he was born?

 

Batman's monologue to the "crimminal" he'd been trying to capture is heart breaking. Adam West Batman showing up is hilarious yet also tear jerking! Batman brandishing a gun: chilling! 

 

Nope: you are wrong on this one Bart, wrong as wrong can be. 

post #543 of 556
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I expect Boone to have dumb opinions, but you Bart? YOU?!?!

 

What's more organic than The Planetary Team, in a seamless meshing of their "Snowflake Multiverse" with the DC Multiverse, meeting ALL iterations of The Batman, in the very Alley in which he was born?

 

Batman's monologue to the "crimminal" he'd been trying to capture is heart breaking. Adam West Batman showing up is hilarious yet also tear jerking! Batman brandishing a gun: chilling! 

 

Nope: you are wrong on this one Bart, wrong as wrong can be. 

In the script, Ellis esentially makes it clear he sees the gun toting, vigilante original Batman as an unevolved version of the icon he will become, the traditional Batman as a superhero, Miller's TDKR as a vigilante, West's Batman as a comedic cheesecake take and Adam's Batman as the definitive version, with the Future Batman as an encapsulation of everything that makes the character an icon and complex figure.

Ellis even hammers down the point when he describes Definitive Batman's speech as "the reason why he does what he does", and what makes him an icon, not a lawman, vigilante or antihero as he's been wrongly interpreted.

Batman isnt looking for vengeance, catharsis or thrill on his war on crime; he simply wants to prevent anyone to suffer as he suffered, to make people safe and give them hope even in the dark.

That's why Snow says he cant tell what he is...because Ellis's Definitive Batman isnt a cop or a vigilante.

He is a true Superhero, something that doesnt exist in the dark, flawed and cruel Wildstorm universe Planetary is set in.

The whole book is Ellis using Planetary and its characters as a way to present his vision of what Batman is and represents.

post #544 of 556

Intent is great, but in terms of execution it falls flat. It's Ellis's walking, talking dissertation, and isn't dramatized in any sort of compelling way.

 

Sorry gents.

post #545 of 556
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In the script, Ellis esentially makes it clear he sees the gun toting, vigilante original Batman as an unevolved version of the icon he will become, the traditional Batman as a superhero, Miller's TDKR as a vigilante, West's Batman as a comedic cheesecake take and Adam's Batman as the definitive version, with the Future Batman as an encapsulation of everything that makes the character an icon and complex figure.

Ellis even hammers down the point when he describes Definitive Batman's speech as "the reason why he does what he does", and what makes him an icon, not a lawman, vigilante or antihero as he's been wrongly interpreted.

Batman isnt looking for vengeance, catharsis or thrill on his war on crime; he simply wants to prevent anyone to suffer as he suffered, to make people safe and give them hope even in the dark.

That's why Snow says he cant tell what he is...because Ellis's Definitive Batman isnt a cop or a vigilante.

He is a true Superhero, something that doesnt exist in the dark, flawed and cruel Wildstorm universe Planetary is set in.

The whole book is Ellis using Planetary and its characters as a way to present his vision of what Batman is and represents.

 

Out of rep, but I will take some issue with Ellis's comment that:

 

Batman isnt looking for vengeance, catharsis or thrill on his war on crime; he simply wants to prevent anyone to suffer as he suffered, to make people safe and give them hope even in the dark.

 

I think Batman can be looking for all of these things; all but the last bit. Batman might bring about "hope in the dark" by default (meaning people are alive to feel hope because Batman takes crooks off the street) but he himself can't be a symbol of hope. 

 

Hope is what Superman brings, even if it's misplaced, because we could in theory be like Batman, but we'll never be like Superman. Which is the theme of Brian Azzarelo's excellent Lex Luthor: Man of Steel. 


ETA: to flesh things out a bit: The Denny O'Neil Batman clearly enjoys being Batman, is really into being a Detective, also has a James Bond vibe going when it comes to the action and traveling to exotic places, etc. Miller's Batman is all about the vengence. 

post #546 of 556
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Intent is great, but in terms of execution it falls flat. It's Ellis's walking, talking dissertation, and isn't dramatized in any sort of compelling way.

 

Sorry gents.

 

No YOU fall flat!

post #547 of 556

I totally dig the argument you guys are making. But the comic itself doesn't work.

 

I guess this is how other people view me when I'm ranting about BvS or Into Darkness. 

post #548 of 556

no bart's right

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post #550 of 556
Uhhh...I enjoyed the book and it seems like the trailer managed to capture that "other world" vibe.
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