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post #1 of 133
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Looking forward to seeing it this weekend. So i thought i'll open the post release thread ahead for all of us. 

 

Todd VanDerWerff's review is a delight to read.

https://www.vox.com/culture/2017/7/19/15986916/valerian-and-the-city-of-a-thousand-planets-review

post #2 of 133

It started off enjoyable, but I thought it got flatter and less fun as time went by.

 

Really pretty though!

post #3 of 133

An object lesson in how casting can absolutely kill a film.  Two leads with just no chemistry AT ALL.  And we start off with bright sunshine and blue skies and vivid colors, and then the film just gets flat and dark and just can't recover.

post #4 of 133
Yep. The first third was better than I expected, even with the atrocious leads, but after that, it just grinds to a halt.
post #5 of 133
Disappointing but not surprising.
post #6 of 133
Imagine the Jabba sequence from Jedi, except with characters we've just met and don't like. That's our introduction to Valerian and Laureline.
post #7 of 133
And it's sad, because the "history of human first contact" set to "Space Oddity" over the credits is WONDERFUL.
post #8 of 133
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Visually it looks fantastic. Hands above THE FIFTH ELEMENT.

 

But the casting of the leads is just bad. DeHaan especially. He and Cara don't have half the charisma Bruce Willis and Milla Jovovich had.

 

Still i appreciate what Besson was trying to achieve here. I think the future will be kind to this film in home video and rentals.

post #9 of 133

And as briefly as she's in it, you really needed a better actress than Rihanna to make that part work.

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And it's sad, because the "history of human first contact" set to "Space Oddity" over the credits is WONDERFUL.

 

Yeah, Movie Bob (and, yes, I know we all dislike him) said the first five minutes of this movie are probably the best thing Besson has ever done, and that the rest of the movie never lives up to it.

post #11 of 133
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One nice shoutout. One of the Alien Species we meet in the opening are the Mondoshawans from The Fifth Element.

 

post #12 of 133
OH HOW I LOVED THIS SO!!!

ONGH ONGH YES YES!!!

LOVE THE WEIRD LEADS CAST

AND NONE OF YOU WILL STOP ME!!!
post #13 of 133
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Nooj is love.

post #14 of 133
Agentsands tells me to relay a message:

"if you like this any less than any of the disneywars, you're GARBAGE!!!"
post #15 of 133
anyone catch the TAKEN reference?
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You may as well just marry Dane DeHaan at this point, Nooj.

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anyone catch the TAKEN reference?

 

I think i missed that.

post #18 of 133
when John Goodman's character is talking to Valerian on the phone...

"Agent Valerian, I'm going to find you and kill you..."

and we hear Valerian on the other end of the line... "good luck..."
post #19 of 133
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You may as well just marry Dane DeHaan at this point, Nooj.

MAYBE I WILL!!!

It's such an odd pair to cast for a movie like this! A more conventional/sensible pair to cast for this would be the one from PASSENGERS... Lawrence and Pratt. But I'm SO glad that didn't happen.

The screenplay for the movie gives Valerian and Laureline some really rote will-they-or-won't-they banter. None of it particularly witty and stuff we haven't heard before. And had it come from someone like Pratt and Lawrence, it would've been awful.

Coming from oddball casting choices like DEHAAN and Delevigne, who come off more like creepy siblings than a romantic pair, those perfunctory lines come off kooky.

I didn't find them engaging as characters, but I did enjoy watching them a whole bunch. And eventually, it all just came off sweet.

I also don't think the movie fails to live up to its amazing prologue and fantastic market chase sequence. It just goes into different kinds of adventures and I enjoyed them all. Seeing Ethan Hawks was a hoot. Loved Rihanna's character. Loved the Oddworld society. I dug the heavy handed commentary involving the people of Mül and the optimistism that drives its people to adapt, forgive, and move on.
post #20 of 133
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That Pearl Beach was just breathtaking.

 

Still that scene which introduces Valerian and Laureline is just cringe worthy. So flat and lifeless. It goes into hilariously bad territory.

post #21 of 133
DELIGHTFUL SIBLING WRESTLING!!!

QUIET FELIX!!!!
post #22 of 133
"belts!"

(spreads arms in BRADITO HUG formation)
post #23 of 133
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MAYBE I WILL!!!

It's such an odd pair to cast for a movie like this! A more conventional/sensible pair to cast for this would be the one from PASSENGERS... Lawrence and Pratt. But I'm SO glad that didn't happen.

The screenplay for the movie gives Valerian and Laureline some really rote will-they-or-won't-they banter. None of it particularly witty and stuff we haven't heard before. And had it come from someone like Pratt and Lawrence, it would've been awful.

Coming from oddball casting choices like DEHAAN and Delevigne, who come off more like creepy siblings than a romantic pair, those perfunctory lines come off kooky.

I didn't find them engaging as characters, but I did enjoy watching them a whole bunch. And eventually, it all just came off sweet.

This is a reasonable defense of the "romance" at the heart of this movie that doesn't work at all (the romance, not the defense): it's weird, and it's better with these actors than it would be with a more conventional pairing. It's still bad though! I guess, for me, the eccentricity wasn't enough to make me like these actors reading this kind of bad Star Wars banter. And it was bad, not particularly inspired Star Wars banter.

 

I liked the Avatar-y aliens. I liked Rihanna (even though her death didn't make a lick of sense, and it took out an interesting character so we could get more scenes of space officers.) I do think nooj is on to something with the odd casting of Cara and DeHaan, but then other key roles were not oddly cast, like Good Military Guy and Bad Military Guy (that was Clive Owen? didn't recognize him at all) who are both just sort of there. We needed more oddball casting to make this thing weirdly interesting the whole way through. Instead it was only half weirdly interesting, and the other half is space shootouts that look like other space shootouts. We needed more Bob the pirates.

 

It was okay. It wasn't cynical at least, and Besson was trying to do genuine space opera. Wish it was more "interesting mess" than "dull mess."

post #24 of 133
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I can't help but compare it to JUPITER ASCENDING. Both have leads that don't work but have great visuals and costume designs.

post #25 of 133
oh man, Jupiter did NOT work for me and I LIKE Tatum and Kunis. they were a more conventional bit of star casting

but their presence didn't help the movie much in the end. mostly, they came off overwhelmed by everything else

so go weird with the casting why not??? I agree that I would've appreciated more cuckoo casting like the random Ethan Hawke appearance

I actually really enjoyed Clive Owen being an utter asshole

This really is what I'd hoped Jupiter would be.
Edited by mcnooj82 - 7/24/17 at 11:23pm
post #26 of 133

Haven't seen this yet, but saw a great twitter review to the effect of "if you liked the part of Jupiter Ascending where Mila Kunis has to fill out a bunch of paperwork to become the Queen of Space, you'll like Valerian"

post #27 of 133

I DID!

 

I DID like that part!

 

It's the only part of the movie I kinda remember!

post #28 of 133
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Also wasn't Sean Bean some kind of Bee Alien?

post #29 of 133

This movie will look great in .gif form once Tubmlr get a hold of it.

 

I wish I had nooj's enthusiasm for it, instead of being appreciative of what it's trying to do but disappointed it didn't do it better.

post #30 of 133

give me ALL the creepy DEHAAN smiles!

creepy lothario space adventureman DEHAAN

 

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Edited by mcnooj82 - 7/24/17 at 11:22pm
post #31 of 133
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Also wasn't Sean Bean some kind of Bee Alien?

wasn't he some kind of bee queen???

 

I think one of the problems with Jupiter Ascending was that the primary leads came off like they were lost in all the design work.  They didn't seem to be having fun at all.  I think Redmayne was the only one who seemed to be enjoying himself.

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Originally Posted by mcnooj82 View Post

 

 

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Good glavin.  He's a genetic cross of DiCaprio and Richard E. Grant and more nutzoid-looking than any CGi creature Luc Besson came up with.

 

Really dug VALERIAN, myself.  It's flawed but at least it's interesting and fun flawed.  


Edited by Engineer - 7/26/17 at 7:18pm
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Good glavin.  He's a genetic cross of DiCaprio and Richard E. Grant and more nutzoid-looking than any CGi creature Luc Besson came up with.

 

WONDERFUL

post #34 of 133
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What this movie needed is a Gods of Egypt Gerard Butler.

 

GOE is actually on right now. It's bad film. The CGI looks like cut scenes from an early 2000 game. And the whitewashing is really offensive.

 

But i've got this stupid grin watching this and its because of Butler. He just so compelling as a Scottish Egyptian God of Evil.

 

Valerian badly needs a charismatic lead like this. Someone that we can't take our eyes off. I dare say it would be a whole grade higher if they replaced DeHann and Cara. 

post #35 of 133

Yeah, I was watching Movie Math earlier and they said something along the lines of: With two different leads (preferably two that at least had some success on even the small screen) but the same script and director; this movie could have had a chance of doing infinitely better. People saw Nooj's future husband and Delevigne, and stayed well away. 

post #36 of 133
NO!!!!
post #37 of 133
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That Pearl Beach was just breathtaking.

Still that scene which introduces Valerian and Laureline is just cringe worthy. So flat and lifeless. It goes into hilariously bad territory.

That's the exact point the movie began to lose me. The credit sequence and the beach scene had me SO on board, and then the leads came along and just pulled the rug out.
post #38 of 133
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post #39 of 133
funny how the piece tries to criticize the LOVE stuff in Valerian by using Besson's own Fifth Element... but I never really bought it in that movie either

Willis and Jovovich were more appealing screen personas to be sure, but that movie didn't really handle that much better beyond the casting choice.
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Dumb THE FIFTH ELEMENT thing I'm still able to forgive: How unnecessary Zorg (Gary Oldman) is as a character.  Sure, Oldman's fun to watch and he's clearly having a great time.  But Zorg basically exists only to choke for a minute, tell underlings to "get me the stones" and later plant a timebomb on the Phloston Paradise cruise ship.  He never even has a face to face with Korben and I think he makes eye contact with Leeloo for all of maybe (?) two seconds.  They probably could've combined the character of Zorg with the Lead Mangalore, played by Oldman.  

 

The writer in me gets pissed about the non-economy of it, while the viewer in me still enjoys Oldman's goofiness.  Still really enjoy the movie.

post #42 of 133
I totally forgive the uselessness of Zorg too because it's so clearly intentional for the sake of it. Korben is nothing to Zorg. Just one of the many nobodies Zorg laid off with a single order.

Zorg's main adversary as an ambassador of Evil is Vito Cornelius. And they have their fun goofy confrontation.

It's not as if the rest of the film is some airtight narrative.

It's just loosey goosey episodic silliness done with a lot of panache.
post #43 of 133

A moment ago, I put on the scene in which Leeloo is escaping onto the ledge and we get our first real look at the towering building, flying-car New York world of the film...  Man, that stuff still gets me.   I could watch those shots all day on repeat and slow-mo and still wish I were there right this moment.  The music, the sunlight, so damn perfect.  Just like the first ten minutes of VALERIAN.  The Space Oddity and Beach Planet sequences are so damn good.

 

post #44 of 133

Serra's score in that sequence is so good!

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A moment ago, I put on the scene in which Leeloo is escaping onto the ledge and we get our first real look at the towering building, flying-car New York world of the film...  Man, that stuff still gets me.   I could watch those shots all day on repeat and slow-mo and still wish I were there right this moment.  The music, the sunlight, so damn perfect.  Just like the first ten minutes of VALERIAN.  The Space Oddity and Beach Planet sequences are so damn good.

 

 

That whole sequence is one of the few instances where TFE works for me.  Milla sells the hell out this scene, and her sense of awe truly does mirror the audience's.

post #46 of 133

Putting on at work right now, actually.  Serra nailed this film.

 

post #47 of 133

SO WISE

Valerian is the ultimate argument in favor of CGI

Old-school practical effects are getting all the praise lately, but ambitious worlds like Besson’s require the new technology

 

https://www.theverge.com/2017/7/26/16037556/valerian-luc-besson-special-effects-computer-generated-cgi

post #48 of 133
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Zorg's main adversary as an ambassador of Evil is Vito Cornelius. And they have their fun goofy confrontation.
 

And some nice philosophyin' too!

post #49 of 133

deathdestruction&chaaaaaos!

 

Oh by the way....

 

I'm thinking about seeing VALERIAN tonight in 4DX.  HAHAHAHAHAHA

 

I'm supposed to go to a screening of DETROIT tonight, but that movie will come out eventually... whereas this is pretty much my last chance to throw money away on a GOOFY 4DX showing of Valerian!

 

nobody will stop me...

post #50 of 133
The only person who I have heard praise this as much as Nooj is Jeff Cannata. That is basically all that needs to be said.
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