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post #1 of 80
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Sally Hawkins! Doug Jones! Michael Stuhlbarg! America's greatest living actor and national treasure Michael Shannon! Del Toro! 

post #2 of 80

Also Richard Jenkins! And Octavia Spencer!

Crimson Peak left me cold, but this is reminiscent of Devil's Backbone/Pan's Labyrinth Del Toro. 

post #3 of 80
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I was not a fan of Pac Rim, but I loved Crimson Peak - it was in my top ten of the year. 

 

And yes, the cast for this is stacked

post #4 of 80
I was interested in this when I heard the premise/director/cast. But I have seen the trailer twice in theaters and it left me cold both times.
post #5 of 80
Spoiler: it has two hydrogen atoms bonded to a single oxygen atom.
post #6 of 80
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Originally Posted by Boone Daniels View Post
 

I was not a fan of Pac Rim, but I loved Crimson Peak - it was in my top ten of the year. 

 

And yes, the cast for this is stacked

I'm the guy who loves Pacific Rim even though I know the two leads stink.

 

I like a lot about Crimson Peak (it's like a cross between Wuthering Heights and Kill, Baby, Kill) yet a rewatch made me like it a lot less, for whatever reason.

post #7 of 80
Crimson Peak pissed me off because it promised me a creepy ghost story and all I got was a gross incest story with the occasional spectral Slim Goodbody skulking around affecting nothing. Bullshit, Guillermo.
post #8 of 80

You had me up until "Del Toro".

post #9 of 80

I had to watch it without sound.

 

Without sound it looks great!

 

A return to Cronos/Devil's Backbone/Pan's Labyrinth-type storytelling would be very, very welcome.

 

I pretty much hated Pacific Rim, minus the action.

 

Can't seem to bring myself to watch Crimson Peak, for whatever reason.

post #10 of 80

Looks gorgeous.  I'm in for sure and now I have a hankering to play some Bioshock.

post #11 of 80

Honestly? Looks pretty boring and potentially embarrassing. Del Toro couldn't have cast Michael Shannon as a sympathetic character instead of the angry government scientist who wants to run bad tests on ET? 

 

Alan Moore will love it, though.

post #12 of 80

Try watching the trailer without sound! :-)

post #13 of 80

I love Sally Hawkins so I'm rooting for this one, even if it does basically look like Splash/ET/Super8/a hundred other movies.

 

Crimson Peak was a weird one. It was a ghost story that would have been entirely the same movie if there were no ghosts in it all.

post #14 of 80

Del Toro has yet to dissapoint me (Yes, I love Pacific Rim; its dumb, loud and big, but its exactly what Del toro wanted it to be), and this looks like a return to roots to him.

All in.

post #15 of 80

My initial snarky thought was we really should have gotten the Creature from the Black Lagoon reboot BEFORE the Creature Walks Among us reboot.

 

I sort of got an early Tim Burton vibe from this.  Edward Webbedhands, if you will.


Edited by Richard Dickson - 7/19/17 at 12:04pm
post #16 of 80

I am into that! 

post #17 of 80

So, Son of Abe Sapien?  Or some unauthorized riff on the character.  Basically, wondering if Guillermo's going to pull a Split-like twist here.

post #18 of 80

Looks pretty good, and I gotta support my boi Michael Stuhlbarg! 

post #19 of 80
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Looks pretty good, and I gotta support my boi Michael Stuhlbarg! 

 

He's the front runner for Best Supporting Actor this year! (Not for this.)

post #20 of 80

Tell me more, Mr Boone. 

post #21 of 80
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Tell me more, Mr Boone. 

 

He plays the professor father of a young gay man in Sundance hit CALL ME BY YOUR NAME, and is apparently fantastic, particularly in a scene near the end where he has a big monologue: 

http://awardswatch.com/2017/07/06/2018-oscar-predictions-supporting-actor-july-dafoe-boyega-rocket-up-poulter-shannon-debut/

post #22 of 80

Oh man, that's really great to know! I've been a fan of his since Boardwalk Empire but only realized his range in this year's Fargo (where he played a character who was the complete reverse of his character In Boardwalk). I'll have to keep that movie on my radar!

post #23 of 80

Yeah, my early blind bet is it's Stuhlbarg for Call Me By Your Name versus Willem Dafoe for The Florida Project. Both well-respected vets, both apparently fantastic, both with strong studios behind them.

 

This looks good! Be interesting to see if the tone of the actual film is equivalent to this (the trailer hinted at some darker, bloodier moments).

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I'm on record as saying that Men in Black 3 is the true Men in Black sequel and being a fan of it - but Stuhlbarg is lovely there as well. 

 

I'm also a big fan of his "50s biopic duology," playing Lew Wasserman in HITCHCOCK and Edward G. Robinson in TRUMBO. Neither of which are good, but he's great in them. 

 

...is it too early to start an oscars 2018 thread?

post #25 of 80

We had a 2020 elections thread the same day that Trump became President, so I don't see why not!

post #26 of 80
Is this an Abe Sapien prequel or what? There's a lot about the film that strikes me as weird. A fish/ human romance? Not much in the way of action scenes? Exactly who is the target audience for this?
post #27 of 80
Del Toro?

Ehhhhhhhhh
post #28 of 80


From James Jean
post #29 of 80
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Originally Posted by ScottieFerguson View Post
 

So, Son of Abe Sapien?  Or some unauthorized riff on the character.  Basically, wondering if Guillermo's going to pull a Split-like twist here.


I considered that for a hot second, but Del Toro and Mike Mignola don't seem to be on very good terms anymore, so it's more likely he's just stealing his own designs.

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I considered that for a hot second, but Del Toro and Mike Mignola don't seem to be on very good terms anymore, so it's more likely he's just stealing his own designs.

What went down between the two?
post #31 of 80

Watched the trailer with sound and it's even better!

 

What's wrong with you dudes? Got burned by Crimson Peak? Not enough kaiju?

 

Anyways, this definitely looks like my kind of GdT flick. It's a Lovecraftian retro-sci-fi romance movie...I mean, c'mon, y'all. No, I don't know how that's supposed to make any money, but I guess it had a relatively small budget.

post #32 of 80
First thing that popped in my head after watching the trailer:

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post #33 of 80
For no particular reason, I find it amusing that ASL is subtitled with the same color and typeface as the backwards talk in Twin Peaks.
post #34 of 80
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What went down between the two?


Inference from the Hellboy reboot thing. I think Evi might be overstating, but until del Toro weighs in there's no way to know for sure (though he was completely silent about it on Twitter when it was announced, which doesn't look good). The way Mignola tells it originally he and Andrew Cosby were writing it to stay in continuity with Hellboy 1&2, but del Toro didn't want to tell their story so dropped out, and Perlman didn't want to do it without del Toro (presumably this all happened at the dinner meeting after which del Toro tweeted that there would never be a Hellboy 3), at which point they decided to just reboot it.

post #35 of 80

So I guess he just remade the Creature from the Black Lagoon as a romantic arthouse film. 

post #36 of 80
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So I guess he just remade the Creature from the Black Lagoon as a romantic arthouse film. 

 

Exactly why this looks dope to me!

post #37 of 80

I can work with that because it's better than anything that Universal was going to do with the Gill-Man in its now certainly dead shared universe. I love Creature from the Black Lagoon, I'm just surprised at how blatant it is. Not that he would ever cop to this in public, but I do wonder if The Shape of Water was rather directly born out of Del Toro's brief time on developing a straight remake of CFTBL for Universal however many years ago. I feel like it must have been. 

post #38 of 80

Seems pretty similar... :eek:

 

post #39 of 80

First 8 reviews on Metacritic and it has an average of 97.

 

http://www.metacritic.com/movie/the-shape-of-water

 

So yeah, this'll probably be good.

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post #41 of 80

oh no!

 

don't get me excited for a del Toro film!

 

but I'm glad to hear this is getting good word!

post #42 of 80

A good English language Del Toro film? I'll believe it when I see it.

post #43 of 80
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Crimson Peak is fucking great

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Crimson Peak is fucking great.
...if you like gross incest stories!
post #45 of 80
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Crimson Peak is fucking great

post #46 of 80
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Yes. 

post #47 of 80
It's layers of atmosphere wrapped around a turd. It's a ghost story where if the ghosts were excised it would change literally not one goddamn thing. Feh.
post #48 of 80
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That's why it's great! 

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It's layers of atmosphere wrapped around a turd. It's a ghost story where if the ghosts were excised it would change literally not one goddamn thing. Feh.


Yup. Jim Beaver's death was unsettling. And the rest of the movie being such an inert snoozefest was equally unsettling.

post #50 of 80
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Crimson Peak?

 

So good. 

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