Sally Hawkins! Doug Jones! Michael Stuhlbarg! America's greatest living actor and national treasure Michael Shannon! Del Toro!
THE SHAPE OF WATER Discussion
I'm the guy who loves Pacific Rim even though I know the two leads stink.
I like a lot about Crimson Peak (it's like a cross between Wuthering Heights and Kill, Baby, Kill) yet a rewatch made me like it a lot less, for whatever reason.
I had to watch it without sound.
Without sound it looks great!
A return to Cronos/Devil's Backbone/Pan's Labyrinth-type storytelling would be very, very welcome.
I pretty much hated Pacific Rim, minus the action.
Can't seem to bring myself to watch Crimson Peak, for whatever reason.
Honestly? Looks pretty boring and potentially embarrassing. Del Toro couldn't have cast Michael Shannon as a sympathetic character instead of the angry government scientist who wants to run bad tests on ET?
Alan Moore will love it, though.
I love Sally Hawkins so I'm rooting for this one, even if it does basically look like Splash/ET/Super8/a hundred other movies.
Crimson Peak was a weird one. It was a ghost story that would have been entirely the same movie if there were no ghosts in it all.
My initial snarky thought was we really should have gotten the Creature from the Black Lagoon reboot BEFORE the Creature Walks Among us reboot.
I sort of got an early Tim Burton vibe from this. Edward Webbedhands, if you will.
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He plays the professor father of a young gay man in Sundance hit CALL ME BY YOUR NAME, and is apparently fantastic, particularly in a scene near the end where he has a big monologue:
Oh man, that's really great to know! I've been a fan of his since Boardwalk Empire but only realized his range in this year's Fargo (where he played a character who was the complete reverse of his character In Boardwalk). I'll have to keep that movie on my radar!
Yeah, my early blind bet is it's Stuhlbarg for Call Me By Your Name versus Willem Dafoe for The Florida Project. Both well-respected vets, both apparently fantastic, both with strong studios behind them.
This looks good! Be interesting to see if the tone of the actual film is equivalent to this (the trailer hinted at some darker, bloodier moments).
I'm on record as saying that Men in Black 3 is the true Men in Black sequel and being a fan of it - but Stuhlbarg is lovely there as well.
I'm also a big fan of his "50s biopic duology," playing Lew Wasserman in HITCHCOCK and Edward G. Robinson in TRUMBO. Neither of which are good, but he's great in them.
...is it too early to start an oscars 2018 thread?
I considered that for a hot second, but Del Toro and Mike Mignola don't seem to be on very good terms anymore, so it's more likely he's just stealing his own designs.
What went down between the two?
Watched the trailer with sound and it's even better!
What's wrong with you dudes? Got burned by Crimson Peak? Not enough kaiju?
Anyways, this definitely looks like my kind of GdT flick. It's a Lovecraftian retro-sci-fi romance movie...I mean, c'mon, y'all. No, I don't know how that's supposed to make any money, but I guess it had a relatively small budget.
Inference from the Hellboy reboot thing. I think Evi might be overstating, but until del Toro weighs in there's no way to know for sure (though he was completely silent about it on Twitter when it was announced, which doesn't look good). The way Mignola tells it originally he and Andrew Cosby were writing it to stay in continuity with Hellboy 1&2, but del Toro didn't want to tell their story so dropped out, and Perlman didn't want to do it without del Toro (presumably this all happened at the dinner meeting after which del Toro tweeted that there would never be a Hellboy 3), at which point they decided to just reboot it.
I can work with that because it's better than anything that Universal was going to do with the Gill-Man in its now certainly dead shared universe. I love Creature from the Black Lagoon, I'm just surprised at how blatant it is. Not that he would ever cop to this in public, but I do wonder if The Shape of Water was rather directly born out of Del Toro's brief time on developing a straight remake of CFTBL for Universal however many years ago. I feel like it must have been.
First 8 reviews on Metacritic and it has an average of 97.
So yeah, this'll probably be good.
Yup. Jim Beaver's death was unsettling. And the rest of the movie being such an inert snoozefest was equally unsettling.