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Awwwwwwww yeah. I'm so in.
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I think Drago might work better as a wisened, regretful old trainer, rather than a fighter. But in Sly we trust.
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I think Drago might work better as a wisened, regretful old trainer, rather than a fighter. But in Sly we trust.

The chance to further humanize Drago is too juicy not to pursue. And the possibilities of Adonis meeting and coming to terms with Drago are endless.

Creed was my happiest movie surprise of the year when it came out, and I can't wait to see the next chapter.
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I'm a massive fan of the entire series, but I'm a little worried about Ryan Cooler seems to have been completely shut out of this writing process. Anyone know if he's still attached as director. I really thought his energy brought a lot to "Creed".

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CREED is one of my favorite sequels of all time, but I just can't get interested in this without knowing Ryan Coogler's involvement.  Especially since it seems to be another "Rocky (Adonis) fights OMG unbeatable opponent!" movie.

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Sly's just about had a comeback every decade since his mega-star days (Cliffhanger in the 90's, the three-way KO of Rocky Balboa, John Rambo and The Expendables in the 00's and Creed this decade). Each time pulling himself out of a (self-inflicted) rut with a genuinely good movie... wherein he immediately gives into his worst instincts and delivers a string of hot garbage - the exact same crap that took him straight to the bottom. Lather, rinse, repeat.

 

If any Creed sequel lacks Coogler, then I'm out. He was why it worked with respect to Sly (who certainly didn't "need" to come back after Rocky Balboa beautifully closed out the franchise and character). Bringing in Drago just shows Sly yet again hasn't learned from his past failures and taking the wrong lessons from his returns-to-glory.

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You guys could be right. After 40 years and seven films it's quite clear that Sylvester Stallone has no sense of what audiences want from this franchise.

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Sly's just about had a comeback every decade since his mega-star days (Cliffhanger in the 90's, the three-way KO of Rocky Balboa, John Rambo and The Expendables in the 00's and Creed this decade). Each time pulling himself out of a (self-inflicted) rut with a genuinely good movie... wherein he immediately gives into his worst instincts and delivers a string of hot garbage - the exact same crap that took him straight to the bottom. Lather, rinse, repeat.

 

If any Creed sequel lacks Coogler, then I'm out. He was why it worked with respect to Sly (who certainly didn't "need" to come back after Rocky Balboa beautifully closed out the franchise and character). Bringing in Drago just shows Sly yet again hasn't learned from his past failures and taking the wrong lessons from his returns-to-glory.

 

Coogler did a serviceable job as a director and writer but is not needed in either capacity to make this project work.

 

You think people will show up to a CREED sequel for their Ryan Coogler fix? Fuck no. They want to see Sly.

 

And that recent "string of hot garbage" from Stallone's CV includes BULLET TO THE HEAD and ESCAPE PLAN, both of which are respectable action thrillers.

post #11 of 71
Rocky Bolboa is still a great Rocky. I go back and forth with Creed and Bolboa for my favorite after the first Rocky. In the end it's another Rocky and I'm happy.

I'll bring my Kleenex.
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You guys could be right. After 40 years and seven films it's quite clear that Sylvester Stallone has no sense of what audiences want from this franchise.


I don't care what audiences want from the franchise, I care about whether it's a good movie or not.  And I'll trust the guy behind CREED and FRUITVALE STATION over the guy behind ROCKY II-IV, thanks.

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I'm not hot on this. I'm sure it won't be worthless, but as much joy as Rocky IV brings me, it's not because I think it's a genuinely good movie. It's fun because Stallone's ego is full bloom, the villain is ridiculous, and it's a perfect snapshot of the 1980's. It's totally fun, it's a lark, but I'd like to think that a sequel to Creed would have the chance to be more than that. It's going to be kind of hard to do that when you actively remind people that Rocky once fought a juiced-up commie Superman (something Creed actively avoided being specific about).

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I'm not hot on this. I'm sure it won't be worthless, but as much joy as Rocky IV brings me, it's not because I think it's a genuinely good movie. It's fun because Stallone's ego is full bloom, the villain is ridiculous, and it's a perfect snapshot of the 1980's. It's totally fun, it's a lark, but I'd like to think that a sequel to Creed would have the chance to be more than that. It's going to be kind of hard to do that when you actively remind people that Rocky once fought a juiced-up commie Superman (something Creed actively avoided being specific about).

Sure, but if Drago is repentant and Adonis wants to take him apart, Sly is pushing for peace and Adonis wants war... that could be a good film.

The pieces are there for a good story, is my point. Whether it comes together as one may largely depend on the director, so I'm hoping to hell Coogler gets to keep this.
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I'm both so excited and so dreading this!
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Adonis Creed is the protagonist and shouldn't be weighted down by Rocky's mythology. Yes, Drago killed his father, but Adonis didn't know his father, so his connection to him is his Apollo's legacy. That was completely and satisfactorily dealt with in Creed. Bringing Drago back feels like it's more about Rocky than Adonis.

I can meet halfway on this: It's fine if Drago appears, but only as an extended cameo of sorts in a subplot. As the son of this universe's Muhammad Ali, Adonis would certainly attract a lot of sports and entertainment media attention and at some point, someone would track down Drago to get an interview on what happened that day and for his thoughts on Creed's son. That makes sense. However, beyond a poignant moment where Adonis and Drago meet, and Drago maybe offers up his perspective on the dark side of the sport, I don't give a shit.

Have Adonis be a big enough man to grant a perhaps haunted Drago just that one moment, away from press and cameras, and I can maybe work with that.
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with stallone's tendency towards melodrama...

oh no...
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I love all the Rocky's (even V) so this has my ass in a seat no matter what. If nothing else, I think this might be the one where Rocky actually dies (ala Mickey in III and Adonis completely takes over).

And it's always nice seeing Dolph get work. Even if it's an Imagine Dragons music video.
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Drago becomes the new Paulie!

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Can only imagine the off-screen death Sly will conjure up for Ludmilla.

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Butt-cancer, of course.

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Drago becomes the new Paulie!

This seems all too plausible! All Rocky's enemies stick around in this series long enough to become allies. Spider Rico works in his kitchen! 

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That should've been the after credits scene for Creed.
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So the plot would be Adonis getting into the ring with an old Drago? I guess Dolph is still in pretty great shape.

I assume Ryan Coogler isn't coming back being tied up with Black Panther. Would Stallone direct?

While he's at it, bring back ex-wife Brigitte!
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Adonis needs his own Clubber Lang, not old Drago.
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But Russia is all the rage right now.
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I'm going to be so happy if Stallone is creating all this terrible CREED 2 artwork on his Instagram himself.

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According to some of Sly's posts ("sins of the fathers" and lately "the son is rising" with a Drago artwork), it sounds more like Drago's son will play a big part in this... Anyway Dolph is supposed to go back filming AQUAMAN first (and then direct his new movie MALEVOLENCE). Plus with Sly the script can still change 180° right before shooting so we'll see...

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We all assumed it but Sly just confirmed he's directing Creed 2.

 

https://twitter.com/TheSlyStallone/status/917555207067897856

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On one hand, Sly knows this character better than anybody. On the other, his directing style is so traditional,  I can't help but think it'll be a bit of a come down from the creative energy that Coogler brought. For example, I can't imagine Stallone even attempting something like the "unbroken take" fight for Creed's first big match.

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Will Paulie's Robot return?

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Local boxing promoter tweeted yesterday that a major Hollywood studio is looking for a boxer or possibly an MMA fighter from Scandinavia or Finland. The fighter should be a 20-25 year old male who's at least 190 cm (6ft 2) tall, and he should "look like a viking". The rehearsals kick off in November, and the shoot early next year in the US.

 

ETA:the promoter didn't specifically name the film Creed 2, but mentioned they want the fighter to resemble Dolph Lundgren. 


Edited by Virtanen - 10/10/17 at 6:54am
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On the one hand I can totally see some boxing promoter arranging a match between the sons of Creed and Drago.

 

On the other, this is kind of silly as hell, guys.

 

I wonder, where does Donnie go from here? He already rejected the comfortable rich life, so you can't go down that road like Rocky in his third movie. 

 

And since Stallone often styles his Rocky movies off real-life matches, it'd be cool to base this on the recent Mayweather versus McGregor fight. I don't know a ton about boxing or MMA, but the idea of them being pitted against each other could be ripe for some commentary on both sports, the way Rocky Balboa was Stallone arguing that boxing has lost a lot of heart. 

 

Finally, Creed was very much a young black man's story. The loss of Coogler isn't just a great director, because Stallone does have chops, it's the loss of that perspective. I wouldn't want Creed 2 to be a sub-Rocky sequel rather than a spin-off. 

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Yeah, losing Coogler this early on for the Creed franchise does seem too soon. It feels if after the first Rocky Stallone went straight to Rocky IV.
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Local boxing promoter tweeted yesterday that a major Hollywood studio is looking for a boxer or possibly an MMA fighter from Scandinavia or Finland. The fighter should be a 20-25 year old male who's at least 190 cm (6ft 2) tall, and he should "look like a viking". The rehearsals kick off in November, and the shoot early next year in the US.

 

ETA:the promoter didn't specifically name the film Creed 2, but mentioned they want the fighter to resemble Dolph Lundgren. 

Interesting. Friend of a friend pretty much confirming that the studio and Stallone are looking at a January start date for production. 

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Thanksgiving (November 21st) 2018!

 

https://screenrant.com/creed-2-release-date/

 

I love all Rocky movies so my ass is there. Let's hope Stallone is not tempting fate here though returning as director.

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Cool. 

 

Hope it's more Creed, less... whatever it could otherwise be...?

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Just putting this out there but... how about Grace Jones?

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I'm not hot on this. I'm sure it won't be worthless, but as much joy as Rocky IV brings me, it's not because I think it's a genuinely good movie. It's fun because Stallone's ego is full bloom, the villain is ridiculous, and it's a perfect snapshot of the 1980's. It's totally fun, it's a lark, but I'd like to think that a sequel to Creed would have the chance to be more than that. It's going to be kind of hard to do that when you actively remind people that Rocky once fought a juiced-up commie Superman (something Creed actively avoided being specific about).

It was also very weird that Creed actively avoided it too. Having Ivan Drago their also means this might actually have a good or at least memorable antagonist, which was also something Creed seemed to actively avoid too.
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On the one hand I can totally see some boxing promoter arranging a match between the sons of Creed and Drago.

On the other, this is kind of silly as hell, guys.

I wonder, where does Donnie go from here? He already rejected the comfortable rich life, so you can't go down that road like Rocky in his third movie. 

And since Stallone often styles his Rocky movies off real-life matches, it'd be cool to base this on the recent Mayweather versus McGregor fight. I don't know a ton about boxing or MMA, but the idea of them being pitted against each other could be ripe for some commentary on both sports, the way Rocky Balboa was Stallone arguing that boxing has lost a lot of heart. 

Finally, Creed was very much a young black man's story. The loss of Coogler isn't just a great director, because Stallone does have chops, it's the loss of that perspective. I wouldn't want Creed 2 to be a sub-Rocky sequel rather than a spin-off. 

They already made the Mayweather Vs McGregor movie in '96, it's called The Great White Hype.

I can't really see the loss of Coogler as anything big. Then again I don't find him to be a very impressive director, and he seems an even less impressive write. Seems like a fairly average talent that's made some good movies and was hyped up into something way bigger than he was. Was more impressed with Maryse Alberti (and whoever was doing production design) in Creed than Coogler. Coogler seemed to be going for some stylistic things, but they always seemed just slightly off the mark enough to not be as effective as intended.
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Any bets on what on-the-nose name Stallone will give the character? Vladamir? Raskolnikov?

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Stallone always manages to slip political commentary, however ham-fisted, into his movies (Rambo is basically a call for the United States to intervene in Burma), so I'm really hoping Creed 2 is just all about the current climate in relation to Russia, Putin and the 2016 election.

 

I don't know how he'll do it, but he'll find a way.

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Any bets on what on-the-nose name Stallone will give the character? Vladamir? Raskolnikov?

Ilya maybe? Ilya Starinov being the grandfather of the Russian Special Purpose Forces. Name has some meanting that'd work will when going up against someone named Adonis. Also just a cool sounding name.

Although maybe not quite on-the-nose.
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I just saw a photo of the young man who also played Chewy in forwakens!

 

CAST HIM AS DRAGOSON!!!

 

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And spend a minimum of six months getting him into boxing shape.  Yeesh.

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