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With the response the 'Attack on Titan' thread seemed to be getting, as well as some expert enabling from Judas, I thought it might be a good idea to talk about some of the great anime TV series folks have watched.  This is only discussing series, not feature length or OVA's.  

 

I find there are two main problems regarding anime, that people face if they want to dip their toes into the waters:

a) a large % of what's out there is, frankly, crap.  This shouldn't come as a surprise.  If one were look at U.S. network comedies, for every '30 Rock' or 'Community' there are dozens of 'Three and a Half Men' or 'Dads'.  Anime is no different, so lets try help each other track down some of the good stuff out there.

b) people tend to discuss the same ten well-known and well-received shows, over and over.  I'd like to hear about some of the 'lesser-known' gems folks have stumbled across, so lets leave out the 'Cowboy Beebop', 'Ghost in the Shell', 'Evangelion' type stuff that everyone knows is great already.  

 

To start us off, I'd like two throw out two of my absolute favorite 'adult' anime, for your consideration.  No, I'm not talking tentacle rape adult, just series that are for and about adults (one of my anime pet-peeves is that soooooo many feature teen-age or pre-teen characters as their main protagonists...I'm old, I have a hard time engaging with the 16 year old kid and his super robot, what can I say), that explore some nifty, thought provoking ideas.

 

Black Lagoon: This show is fantastic, one of my absolute favorite shows in any medium.  From its' kick ass opening song to the (mostly) realistic action sequences, this show is a love-letter to '80's action cinema.  Centered around a crew of smugglers who us a surplus PT boat to ply their trade in the South Pacific, the series has a great structure of three episode arcs that keeps the story moving.  The main characters are great but what really sells this series are the side characters that drift in and out of the series as it goes.  Also, this is genuinely funny, not goofy funny like a lot of the anime comedies go for but mature funny.  Lastly, it has one of the best English dubs I've heard, usually dubs are distracting to me, as the voice work is generally mediocre, at best, but this one knocks it out of the park.

 

Jormungard:  I'm kinda breaking my own rule as the audience viewpoint character in this is a 13 year old but, for once, there is a reason why he needs to be a child and his age is addressed several times within the series.  The show centers around an arms dealer and her security team as they travel around the world setting up deals (and putting in place an over-arching plan that's not initially apparent at the start of the series).  The characters are great, with each given an interesting backstory that are reveled as the series goes on.  The action scenes are well done, with a lot of detail being put into the weaponry and how they are used.  This one really digs into some interesting moral questions.

 

I also thought  I'd throw out a 'kid-friendly' suggestion as a lot of folks get back into anime with their kids...I know I did.  These might help parents who what to avoid some of the really creepy ones out there.

 

Girls und Panzers  Leave it to the Japanese to think up this idea: a girls high school intramural sport where teams conduct tank battles using WWII tanks.  Yes, it's as bonkers as it sounds but hugely enjoyable in a genuinely sweet way.  The obvious danger that should be posed to all participants and spectators is handwaved away, right off the bat, and it didn't bother me in the least. The research that the writers did in terms of what the different vehicles did became evident to me right away (I'm a big military history nerd) and the numerous battles are great fun.  Both my daughters (and most of their friends) fell totally in love with this series, to the point where they demanded I make them cosplay costumes from it.  As an adult, I really enjoyed sitting through the entire original series with them and when the same team put out a feature film, I happily took the girls to the theater to watch.  That's right...I'm totally in the bag for a school based sports anime cause...tanks!

 

I'm curious to hear what you guys have to suggest and if anyone checks out my suggestions.

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Blood Blockade Battlefront: By the creator of Trigun, its an utterly insane and funny action series set in New York after a cataclismic even unleashed an eldritch dimension known as The Beyond in the city...and the usual New York thing happened, with the inhabitants of the beyond just joining the Big Apple's melting pot and going on with their mundane lives; unfortunately, this also means there are eldritch criminals, terrorists and menaces beyond human understanding, which are batlled by Libra, an organization of human and eldritch operatives that take on threats beyond the normal.

Operatives include a gentleman beast man, a no nonsense werewolf with super speed, an electric sniper, an hedonist martial artist, a fish man and so on, all see through the perspective of a teen boy with a godly eldritch power.

Its action is fantastic, the setting and characters insanely charming, and its not afraid to go dark or dramatic when necesarry; the plot is very captivating and imaginative; probably my favorite series in years.

It also has the most charming and upbeat closing credits Ive seen in an anime.

 

As for a kid friendly reccomendation...

 

Little Witch Academia: By the same team behind Kill La Kill, LWA is easily one of the most charming, heartfelt and entertaining series in ages, following a young japanese girl that enrolls in a british Witch school.

The series is mostly fun and hijinks, but it gradually builds to a major plot that has major moments of drama; I'd specially reccomend it for a young female audience, as the mostly female cast, empowered and relatable characters and the schewing of the usual cliches and tropes of the genre truly make the story and characters shine.

Its also visually amazing on how wacky, imaginative and zany it can get.

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I've gotten my wife kinda...KINDA...into anime recently.  I showed her CASTLE OF CAGLIOSTRO (which she loved), AKIRA (which she thought was beautiful but didn't really care for), and GHOST IN THE SHELL (which she enjoyed).  I'm debating a big splurge on all of the LUPIN stuff out there based upon her reaction to CASTLE, but holy cow is there a lot.

 

I plan on showing her NINJA SCROLL next.  We're eyeing ATTACK ON TITAN on Netflix as well...we'll see how that goes.

post #4 of 237
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I'm onto the second episode of Blood Blockade.  It got my interest with 'sonic speed monkey' and hooked me with 'repeated pizza related assault'.  Thanks for the suggestion, Ryoken.  Oh, and I see the second season airs in October!

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Oh thank god I thought this was a parody thread. Serious-ish discussion of anime is always fun.

 

Crunchyroll makes it extraordinarily easy to binge stuff. Not watching anything particularly new, just GATE and ULTRAMAN MAX. Holy hell do I love the collection of Ultra series on CR.

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Oh thank god I thought this was a parody thread. Serious-ish discussion of anime is always fun.

 

Crunchyroll makes it extraordinarily easy to binge stuff. Not watching anything particularly new, just GATE and ULTRAMAN MAX. Holy hell do I love the collection of Ultra series on CR.

Gate?  As in 'The JSDF Fought Here'?  

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Gate?  As in 'The JSDF Fought Here'?  

 

That's the one. The tone of it goes all over the place at times but it's entertaining and funny in spots.

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That's the one. The tone of it goes all over the place at times but it's entertaining and funny in spots.

You beat me to it...that was going to be my write up for tomorrow.  My daughters fell into it and got me watching it.  I loved both seasons but am really glad the girls stopped after the first...the tonal shifts get really bad (and kinda rapey) in the second.  The girls loved it so much they did Rory and Lelli for Calgary Fan Expo this year.  That resulted in my best prop building exploit, so far:

 

 

post #9 of 237

Anime is for perverts. 

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Anime is for perverts. 

 

 

 

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Indeed. He probably has a secret Sailor Moon fansite that he doesn't want anyone to know about.

post #12 of 237

Nah. Outlaw Star.

 

In Angelfire. 

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Nah. Outlaw Star.

 

In Angelfire. 

Is 'Outlaw Star' any good?  I've heard of it but nothing about it.

post #14 of 237
Outlaw Star is pretty great. Actually binged through that recently-ish myself. Kickass theme tune.

Other shows I've watched recently:

Lost Universe - the creator of Slayers doing a show in roughly the same vein as Outlaw Star. Quite fun, though the sudden tonal shift in the last few episodes is pretty jarring and there's a few points where you can kinda see the budget running out. Watch the dub, the cast totally embraces the cheese factor and has a ton of fun with it.
K-On! - one of the million zillion schoolgirl-slice-of-life serieses (but this time they're in a band!,) but quality fun. Kickass soundtrack.
Sky Girls - kind of like Strike Witches, only there's a plot and you don't feel like you're going to end up on a federal watchlist. Also pants haven't mysteriously vanished in the aftermath of the apocalypse.
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I'm onto the second episode of Blood Blockade.  It got my interest with 'sonic speed monkey' and hooked me with 'repeated pizza related assault'.  Thanks for the suggestion, Ryoken.  Oh, and I see the second season airs in October!

HOLY SHIT!

I had no idea...I thought it would never get a sequel.

Thank you for that.

 

Also, here's a recommendation for your girls:

 

Kaleido Star: Basically, a japanese girl joins a Cirque du Soleil style circus.

I am not ashamed in the least to admit that I absolutely love it; it has great characters, a feel good plot that has both drama and humour, a very feminist protagonist, little to no fanservice, strong, realistic female characters, gorgeous animation and a generally upbeat story, with one of the best mentor-pupil relationships ive seen in a realistic setting.

Both seasons are pretty great. 

 

As for Bartleby's comment, yeah, its a joke, but a joke I get and understand; I'd say that most of anime is disposable garbage aimed at the pervert target audience, but that's true of most media; there is always the normal, the mediocre, the awful and the great.

 

For example, I love Konosuba and how great it works as a comedy that takes shots and mercilessly mocks the typical "normal guy in a magical world with girls" genre, but the fanservice tacked on it irks me a lot.

post #16 of 237
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I figured Bartleby was joking, I just found his catchphrase too good to miss calling out.

post #17 of 237

I'm not going to lie.  I still enjoy popping in Season 1 of Ranma 1/2 on occasion. 

post #18 of 237
Gosh, I haven't watched that in forever. Got through the first two or three seasons, I think...
post #19 of 237
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Never watched it...any good?

post #20 of 237
It's cute and kind of charming. But after the first season they really start stretching the concept thin.
post #21 of 237
Ranma is a wacky family sitcom, and beyond introducing new characters and bringing them back for the same old antics again and again, it really does wear itself out about 2-3 seasons in. ESPECIALLY once Happosai (tiny pervert master) becomes a recurring character.

Not that it's never not fun, but it also never develops beyond the premise.

But it's always fun to see every mundane thing turned into some school of martial arts.
post #22 of 237
Yeah, aside from some individual short stories I don't think there's been a Rumiko Takahashi series that didn't go on about four times as long as it needed to. But she's damned funny and I love her visual style.
post #23 of 237
You know what is the one series I'll never get tired of?
Saint Seiya.
Loved it as a kid, love it as an adult, will love it till my dying day.
Hell, I think that series made anime truly popular and massive in Latin America before Sailor Moon or Dragon Ball.
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I'm here to be a goon and mock everyone.  

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I'm here to be a goon and mock everyone.  

That would make you "you know who"
Will you also argue that games are not art?
post #26 of 237

He shall not be named makes the anime bullying community look bad!

 

But he's not wrong.  

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You know what is the one series I'll never get tired of?
Saint Seiya.
Loved it as a kid, love it as an adult, will love it till my dying day.
Hell, I think that series made anime truly popular and massive in Latin America before Sailor Moon or Dragon Ball.

For me it was 'Space Battleship Yamato' which was only on CBC French along with 'Captain Harlock' every afternoon.

post #28 of 237
Is this the thread where we yap about which is the second best anime series of all time after Cowboy Bebop?
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Is this the thread where we yap about which is the second best anime series of all time after Cowboy Bebop?

 

I talked about that in the header for the thread.

 

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people tend to discuss the same ten well-known and well-received shows, over and over.  I'd like to hear about some of the 'lesser-known' gems folks have stumbled across, so lets leave out the 'Cowboy Beebop', 'Ghost in the Shell', 'Evangelion' type stuff that everyone knows is great already.  

 

So, yeah, kinda, I guess.  That said, I like 'Cowboy' but it's not my favorite.

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I'm pretty sure that by the time Cowboy became a thing I had already moved on past my anime phase.  I never did get around to watching it.  Pretty sure the only anime I checked out beyond Ghibli movies after I stopped watching was Attack on Titan. When I was watching anime, it was a lot harder to get anything.  Either buying VCDs off Ebay (hoping they had English subs) or being lucky enough to find a place renting VHS tapes. Being in Austin made it easy.  Between Vulcan Video and Tape Lenders I was able to watch quite a bit.

post #31 of 237

Can we all agree that the live action Cowboy Bebop American Style is going to be a flaming turd?

 

Especially after the whole Death Note debacle you'd think Hollywood would lea.....sorry, sorry. Of course they won't learn.

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I also missed the boat on Bebop and have never really been able to make it through the series to this day beyond the first couple of episodes and the movie.

 

I love the style, but the actual narratives never really clicked in a way that kept me watching.

post #33 of 237
Why are you guys even talking about the greatest anime series of all time Cowboy Bebop, didn't you even read the header to the thread?
post #34 of 237

I don't like your pop culture mashup shows, bucho

 

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post #35 of 237
What other kinds of shows are there?
post #36 of 237

I won't have it!!

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Can we all agree that the live action Cowboy Bebop American Style is going to be a flaming turd?

 

Especially after the whole Death Note debacle you'd think Hollywood would lea.....sorry, sorry. Of course they won't learn.

Are they still going ahead with that?  Dear god, well, if they keep tanking, maybe they will figure it out.

post #38 of 237
Can anyone comment on the LUPIN THE 3RD anime, movies or tv? All I know is CASTLE OF CAGLIOSTRO and I'm curious on the other related stuff.
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I've gotten my wife kinda...KINDA...into anime recently.  I showed her CASTLE OF CAGLIOSTRO (which she loved), AKIRA (which she thought was beautiful but didn't really care for), and GHOST IN THE SHELL (which she enjoyed).  I'm debating a big splurge on all of the LUPIN stuff out there based upon her reaction to CASTLE, but holy cow is there a lot.

 

I plan on showing her NINJA SCROLL next.  We're eyeing ATTACK ON TITAN on Netflix as well...we'll see how that goes.

Yeah, the thing about Akira is that, despite being an important landmark in Anime and the fact that it's a visual masterpiece--it's still kind of a mess. Largely because it was made before the manga was even finished.

 

 

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I also missed the boat on Bebop and have never really been able to make it through the series to this day beyond the first couple of episodes and the movie

 

I love the style, but the actual narratives never really clicked in a way that kept me watching.


You know, I've heard this sentiment before; could you explain more?

 

Yeah, I got on that Cowboy Bebop boat right when it was making its rounds on Adult Swim. It's a show that, as I've grown older, appreciate more and more with each viewing. I wish more anime took cues from the show. It's not just that it's the closest I've seen an anime television show be "cinematic," it's also in its storytelling: the writing in the show is fucking fantastic. I"m just so impressed by how, in the span of 20 minute episode, CB can bring out these characters that feel lived-in.  Something that so many other shows flounder at.

 

Basically, Cowboy Bebop is adult in a way that most anime try (and fail) to be.

post #40 of 237

Pfffffffffffffffft.

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Don't you have a shitty Marvel movie to defend or something?

post #42 of 237

Even Thor 2 is better than any puny Anime.

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Even Thor 2 is better than any puny Anime.


.....

 

Okay. Now you've done it.

post #44 of 237
Thor 2 isn't even better than nothing. I thought Tenchi Muyo! was weaksauce garbage and it's still less of a waste of my time than that.
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SAILOR MOON IS FOR LITTLE GIRLS!

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SAILOR MOON IS FOR LITTLE GIRLS!

 

Really...?  What's next...'yer momma' jokes?

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SAILOR MOON IS FOR LITTLE GIRLS!
Sure, fine. And Thor 2 is for people who watch paint dry and go "Whoa! Slow down there, you crazy bitch! I can only take so much excitement!"
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post #49 of 237
Look, you can rant and rave all you want, Freem, but there's still no getting past the fact that you're a Thor 2 defender on top of being a threadshitter.
post #50 of 237

I don't like Thor 2.  It's quite mediocre.

 

What does that say about your precious anime?

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