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I hated the first few episodes . . . should I give this a second chance?
post #202 of 268

Noooooooooooooooooooooooooo!

post #203 of 268
And that is Freeman's Seal of Disapproval
post #204 of 268
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I hated the first few episodes . . . should I give this a second chance?

Yes. Its become quite good, actually.
post #205 of 268
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Yes. Its become quite good, actually.
Agreed. The episode where they go undercover on the hostile alien ship was a standout.
post #206 of 268
Yeah. MacFarlane is first and foremost a huge Trek fan and it shows. The later episodes have been relying less on the anachronistic pop culture jokes, which has been nice and there always seems to be a kernel of idea in every episode. More hit than miss, but solid enough.
post #207 of 268

I wonder if Brian Thompson's role in the last episode was just generic alien brute casting or if it was a sly reference to Miracle Mile. 

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The later episodes have been relying less on the anachronistic pop culture jokes, which has been nice and there always seems to be a kernel of idea in every episode. 

 

I'm enjoying it a lot more than I thought I would, but then again I've never been down on the concept. Odd that it feels as much like Trek as any of the actual Trek shows.

post #209 of 268
Yes its got a good vibe going, and it feels like there's a really good universe and cast it can grow into.
post #210 of 268
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I'm enjoying it a lot more than I thought I would, but then again I've never been down on the concept. Odd that it feels as much like Trek as any of the actual Trek shows.

 

Maybe it's because they're ripping off Trek episodes in lieu of doing something original?

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Maybe it's because they're ripping off Trek episodes in lieu of doing something original?

That man had a family. As God is my witness, he is broken in half.
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This last episode continues the maddening trend of having a good idea and making one glaring misstep in executing it.  Why in the hell did the doctor have to stab and shoot that guy?  Yes, he was keeping her locked in a room, but he rescued her from a crash site in a hostile environment and was giving her food.  I'm not saying he was a 100% good guy, but he wasn't some monster who needed to be destroyed either.  Hell, there was more compassion for the diseased cannibals who were going to eat her kids at one point.

post #214 of 268
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I argued that on another board, and the consensus against me was, that she was desperate to get to her dying child, and chose to murder her way to escape since diplomacy had failed.

Meh, I still say she could've just stabbed him in the leg to hobble him, or at least after the gutwrenching, told him to back off or she'll shoot. So yeah when at the end she tells her boy to just stun and not kill, it came off as highly hypocritical after she had just killed two dudes.

Hippocratic Oath? More like Hypocrite Oath!
post #215 of 268

Nah, that's dumb as hell. You're effectively saying that medical staff just have to suck it up and take whatever is doled out to them in a kidnapping situation. She was being held against her will, her kids were in danger, one was actually dying, she did nothing wrong whatsoever. She didn't have a stun gun, hypospray or some magically convenient KO option, just the weapons a (large and far stronger) guy had in his house. She did what she had to in order to escape then impressed on her son that if he can avoid killing, he absolutely should.

 

Doc Finn is a Good Mom, and Issac is a pretty good babysitter. Good ep.

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i have to admit that I have watched some of these episodes and while it is just pretty much Seth Trek at this point, the one thing that I keep thinking is that all the ship sets look cheap as hell.

 

Now the ST:TNG enterprise did have a 'hotel' vibe to it design-wise, it still sorta 'felt' like a spaceship.  With Orville, I keep getting a mall/hotel vibe that borders on 1979 'Buck Rogers in the 25th Cent.'

 

The only thing missing is more spandex.

post #217 of 268
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Oy vay. Since my browser glitched and forced a reload, I do not feel like typing out my entire response again.

So Sentinel Red, tl;dr version, I disagree with you and think you're wrong. But its funny that this show is making us argue about issues like this. It reminds of some other science fiction series...
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And I find you incredibly unreasonable for expecting a parent to just stay trapped hostage in a threatening situation with their childrens' lives in danger. If there was a guaranteed non-violent way out, I have no doubt she would have done so but the oaths doctors take should relate to the care and treatment of their paitents, not random abducters twice their size who lock them up 'for their own good'.

 

I just do not see at all how you can argue this in good faith. You are saying in that situation, you'd just chill out in your cell and hope for the best? RIP your kids, hope you're not too attached to them.

post #219 of 268
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Meh, I still say she could've just stabbed him in the leg to hobble him, or at least after the gutwrenching, told him to back off or she'll shoot. So yeah when at the end she tells her boy to just stun and not kill, it came off as highly hypocritical after she had just killed two dudes.
 

 

The notion that you can hobble someone by stabbing them in the leg or hold them back by threatening is pure television, it's the exact reason police are taught to shoot suspects at centre mass. The aim isn't to murder a person, it's to take them down and make sure they stay down, 'cos otherwise the situation remains extremely volatile. That goes doubly for when you're half the suspect's size, as the doctor was. She made the right call.

post #220 of 268
Spoiler: the characters made the choices they did because the writers decided it would happen that way.
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And the writers aren't pretending that every situation can be resolved neatly. I like that.

post #222 of 268
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Sentinel, I love you bro, but where in my posts did I say that she should've accepted her fate and stayed put? The whole point of my argument is that she could've escaped without killing. The second guy she killed is whatever, since he was a crazy cannibal coming to chomp her face, but her captor need not have been slain.
post #223 of 268

I like how the show is able to get interesting guests to visit, this week Rob Lowe under heavy blue.

 

The makeup department is doing a lot of great work. This episode featured 2 warring factions with a trio of makeups in each group.

 

 


The karaoke host was interesting

and the elevator music guy was fun, hopefully that will be a continuing running joke..

 

and I gotta say, this looks interesting and possibly something I would try

post #224 of 268
Shatner to guest star.

Is what I hope to read, soon.
post #225 of 268
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*strums guitar*

"Top notch"
post #226 of 268
Not really a big fan of the latest episode. Felt like an earlier season episode before the show started finding its footing. I mean, the show is still a work in progress but this felt like a step back.
post #227 of 268
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This epsisode posited a good question. Would you rather fuck blue alien Rob Lowe, or get fucked by blue alien Rob Lowe?

Get to fuck!
post #228 of 268

Worst episode of the show's run, IMHO.  At least it had the opening karaoke scene and elevator guy to amuse me.

 

Just didn't think the "drugged into having sex with me" storyline was amusing. 


Edited by Overlord - 11/12/17 at 2:56pm
post #229 of 268
The karaoke and elevator stuff was good. Everything else was terrible.
post #230 of 268
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And I find you incredibly unreasonable for expecting a parent to just stay trapped hostage in a threatening situation with their childrens' lives in danger. If there was a guaranteed non-violent way out, I have no doubt she would have done so but the oaths doctors take should relate to the care and treatment of their paitents, not random abducters twice their size who lock them up 'for their own good'.

I just do not see at all how you can argue this in good faith. You are saying in that situation, you'd just chill out in your cell and hope for the best? RIP your kids, hope you're not too attached to them.

So we're a week behind, but I just wanted to add that I liked that the character has this edge to her as well. Yes it's the future, and she's a doctor, but she's no pushover, and things can get complicated.
post #231 of 268
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That felt like the most Star Trekkie episode yet. One fear they didn't touch upon at the end was when the fake doctor was going on about invisible forces out in the vast void of space. Fear of the unknown, of what can't be seen. Which crew member did that belong too? When the crew were revealing which phobias were whos, was fear of the unknown/invisible a deleted bit, or just an oversight?
Edited by CD Underbelly - 11/18/17 at 7:40am
post #232 of 268
Yeah, felt Trekkie. Almost like that TNG episode where Crusher was trapped in the pocket universe that looked like the Enterprise and kept shrinking.

Best line...”hobo clowns are the most dangerous because their hungry.”

Liked this one, nice rebound from last week.
post #233 of 268
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That might've been one of, if not my favorite episode so far. I was hoping they'd go flat and half the episode would play out in glorious neon 2D, but they quickly established that that would be fatal. Aww.

Season finale next! Unless the season 2 renewal order gets rescinded during the off season. If that ends up being the case the, series finale next!
post #234 of 268
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That might've been one of, if not my favorite episode so far. I was hoping they'd go flat and half the episode would play out in glorious neon 2D, but they quickly established that that would be fatal. Aww.

Season finale next! Unless the season 2 renewal order gets rescinded during the off season. If that ends up being the case the, series finale next!

 

They made 13 episodes, but are only airing 12 this year for some reason. 

post #235 of 268
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Wut?
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The best thing about the Rob Lowe episode was how not a soul on the ship nor the show itself batted an eye about the captain being in a homosexual relationship.  It was just presented as two people attracted to each other and acting on that attraction (even if it was artificially induced).  Even those who questioned the relationship seemed more concerned with its sudden onset than the fact it was two men.

 

The Flatland episode was fantastic, even if it could have used a few extra minutes to have Lamar and Yophit come to terms with the new arrangement.

post #237 of 268
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The best thing about the Rob Lowe episode was how not a soul on the ship nor the show itself batted an eye about the captain being in a homosexual relationship.  It was just presented as two people attracted to each other and acting on that attraction (even if it was artificially induced).  Even those who questioned the relationship seemed more concerned with its sudden onset than the fact it was two men.

That was my least favorite episode. Seemed like chemically induced rape, a subject one would think would have been taken more seriously.
Edited by Overlord - 12/2/17 at 7:01pm
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I realize they used to be married, but I have a problem with the 2nd in command calling McFarlane 'ED' when on duty.

Off duty, fine, but not on the bridge in front of everybody.

My best mate who is NOT a Star Trek fan has started watching this.

post #239 of 268
Ha...they pulled a Geordi.

Liked this episode although not a fan of the B plot with Ed 2nd guessing himself.
post #240 of 268
Pretty imaginative.  Self-contained.  Liked the look of 2 dimensional universe, though of course if you think about it for any degree of time it makes little sense.  
 
We've seen no hint that Geordi II has been anything except a doofus, though I can see the obvious societal analogy angle they were going for.  
 
Ed's B-storyline was a waste except for the great mini speech about "nobody achieves success on their own."  Everyone who espouses the "raise yourself by your boostraps" credo should be forced to watch that scene on repeat.  
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I was trying to understand how the hell any of that 2D to 3D transitional stuff could even work, but then realised this was the exact same headache I'd had with the old Star Trek show, so yeah.  They basically reversed-the-polarity their way out of it, and it's about the experience rather than any science.  Now they have a Geordi!

post #242 of 268

So, I have been binge watching this tonight. I am on episode 6, the 21st Century American Idol Earth. Honestly, it feels like Trek. I haven't watched Discovery yet (plan on binge watching over Christmas). The episodes look and feel like late TNG or DS9 episodes. Most of the behind the screen talent is old Trek workers. I saw Frakes, Braga, Boreanaz's names. The music cues are dead on Trek.  The episode where they infiltrate the Krill ship was actually really good.  I get that Trek Plot Recycle complaint, I do, but honestly, the cast sells it, it has more aliens that TNG or VOY ever did.  As they drop more and more of the silly humor in exchange for more actual situational stuff, I am digging it.  The guest stars popping up, like Liam Neeson and Charlize Theron help sell it. 

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The ship appears to have sailed on Shatner ever returning to Trek.

 

Before it's too late, MacFarlane needs to give him a two part episode worthy of his return to spacefaring.  

post #244 of 268
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The ship appears to have sailed on Shatner ever returning to Trek.

Before it's too late, MacFarlane needs to give him a two part episode worthy of his return to spacefaring.  

Not unless the wild speculation of Quentin Tarantino directing his own time travel pocket universe Star Trek movie involving Shatner comes true!
post #245 of 268
I really do not want Shatner back in Trek. It was bad enough that Nimoy appeared, twice.
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I really do not want Shatner back in Trek. It was bad enough that Nimoy appeared, twice.


But what about appearing on Orville?

post #247 of 268
Sure, why not?

I do need to catch up though. Last I saw of it was that baby being born female.


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So, I have been binge watching this tonight. I am on episode 6, the 21st Century American Idol Earth. Honestly, it feels like Trek. I haven't watched Discovery yet (plan on binge watching over Christmas). The episodes look and feel like late TNG or DS9 episodes. Most of the behind the screen talent is old Trek workers. I saw Frakes, Braga, Boreanaz's names. The music cues are dead on Trek.  The episode where they infiltrate the Krill ship was actually really good.  I get that Trek Plot Recycle complaint, I do, but honestly, the cast sells it, it has more aliens that TNG or VOY ever did.  As they drop more and more of the silly humor in exchange for more actual situational stuff, I am digging it.  The guest stars popping up, like Liam Neeson and Charlize Theron help sell it. 

It is very Trek like. So much so that it’s made me curious a time or two how he would have done Discovery.

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I really do not want Shatner back in Trek. It was bad enough that Nimoy appeared, twice.

If it made sense and depending on how they did it...I’d be fine with Shatner returning to Trek. The way he was used in Generations was not how you do it. The rumored/proposed scene for him in Trek ‘09 sounded almost perfect.
post #249 of 268
Not bad for the finale. Kinda heavily cribbed from the TNG episode where the aliens thought Picard was a god. But the 700 year twist they put on it worked.

I was expecting Kelly to ask for a transfer at the end though.
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Not bad for the finale. Kinda heavily cribbed from the TNG episode where the aliens thought Picard was a god. But the 700 year twist they put on it worked.

I was expecting Kelly to ask for a transfer at the end though.

This episode was damn near identical to a ST:Voyager episode-'Blink of an Eye'
Voyager is 'worshiped' and at one point the Dr. is transported to the planet and years pass for him.

These stories are seemingly based on the book 'Dragon's Egg' by Robert L Forward.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dragon%27s_Egg
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