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Just got back from this and, on the whole, I really liked it! I say “on the whole”, as I felt the middle was a little flabby and I could feel the movie losing me slightly during the Glastonbury Festival and Italian Alps scenes. It probably didn’t help that I was really loving the Whiskey character and what occurred durng the Alps scene really soured me on Colin Firth’s Harry. Of course…. Well, I’ll get back to this.

 

I read somewhere that a movie needs to at least finish well, and I feel Kingsman: The Golden Circle is lucky in that it has a really strong opening and finish. The cab fight during the openng scenes may feature a lot of CGI but, unlike Michael Bay, Vaughn knows how to utilise it in a way that keeps the action coherent and fun. I mentally said to myself “This is going to be great!” whilst watching that car scene and, for the most part, I wasn’t disappointed.

 

This movie probably features one of my favorite Julianne Moore performances. I love how optimistic and smiley she remains throughout, despite how awful a person she actually is. Although there’s no indication during the movie (and she kills a henchman for doing so), I do like to think she was permanently high on her own supply throughout. This franchise is now two-for-two when it comes to enjoyable bad guys. Bond movies, take note!

 

I know a lot of people are seeing Trump parallels with the President depicted here, but I just like the fact that it’s a subversion of the usual President character we see in these movies who sits around fretting whilst the heroes struggle to succeed. Not only was I delighted that he didn’t do what I was expecting but it actually made me think about Poppy’s plan and how it would most definitely start a conversation about whether the people affected deserved to be saved. I can see the Fox news clips and Youtube comments in my head already.

 

I wasn’t sure about them bringing back Harry and, when he ended up almost killing my favorite new character, I actually started wishing he’d stayed dead….. And then we got to the final act, and I suddenly realized how much fun it was to see Colin Firth fighting a robot dog. Once Whiskey returned, broke bad, and we got a fight scene scored to a Country and Western version of “Word UP”, I WAS HAVING THE TIME OF MY LIFE.

 

Fuck them for killing off Merlin but that was a great final scene for him, so I can almost forgive them.

 

On the whole, this was great. It wasn’t perfect, and the first movie is better overall, but I left the cinema wanting to see a third; especially if it involves them trying to teach Channum Tatum’s rough and ready Southerner how to become a gentleman.

 

Oh, and Elton John? Good grief. That was absurdly briliant.  

post #2 of 61

I cannot fathom someone liking the first one and not this. If you'd told me these were made Lord Of The Rings style, one after the other I'd believe you. I had a great time with this. And I was extra happy to see my favorite person in the first movie, Princess T, back for this.

 

And I cannot wait for all the hot takes and "thinkpieces" misinterpreting the movie's viewpoint by applying whatever weird filter you guys use in your politics instead of a class based one.  

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We got a special intro before my showing which was funny for several reasons. Usually my cinema chain plays a message by Mark Strong telling people to turn off their phones and remain quiet. This time, however, we got him in-character as Merlin, warning us that if anyone chatted during the movie, he would "come in there and re-enact the Church scene from the first movie". 

 

That made me smile. 

post #4 of 61
Yup, this was a lot of fun. I enjoyed it, it has a very neat energetic style.

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Fairly bold move to kill off everybody in the opening, film sort of felt a bit lost after that as it moved to America for Tatum's cameo. Nice to get Firth back, but then they took away Mark Strong at the end! Moore was good, but the character didn't really make a lot of sense to me.

There's the heavy handed moral commentary, this time about the drug war, and the usual crisp and well made array of action sequences. I don't think it works as well as the first one, but it's still fun.
post #5 of 61
Anyone else interpret Eltom John's promise of a backstage pass as a riff on the anal joke from the first film?
post #6 of 61
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Oh, it most definitely was meant to be interpreted that way. 

post #7 of 61
I liked this a lot, though it's got one of the most acute cases of sequelitis I've seen-- more of the same, only more. If you read one of the negative reviews out there, the complaints tend to run the same way, and most of them I wouldn't disagree with, exactly. It really feels like an overdone, overreaching, overindulgent second entry in a series where the formula can be tightened up again and improved for a third entry.

And I do want another one because, end of the day, I like the hell out of these characters and Vaughn's overall take on the spy fantasy genre. This movie was too long, but still didn't feel as long as it actually was because things really move. I may have thought they brought the Elton John gag too far (with his flying karate kick) but at the same time I was laughing, so I can't really complain. Bringing back Harry was cheap but it also meant more Firth in the role, which I love. The action was weightless and crossed the line from kinetic in the first movie to downright spastic in this one, but was still weirdly watchable. The movie's got problems, but I still had a great time with it, so there-- haters be damned.

RIP Merlin. I don't think I could ever get tired of Mark Strong's Scots accent. Also RIP Roxy, I guess? Although, you can't rule out any character's return at this point, can you?

That "backstage pass" callback to the first movie was actually one of favorite bits, and alone justified Sir Elton's appearance. Another callback I liked was "Looking good, Merlin", because, like with the first movie, I'm a sucker for a "Trading Places" reference.

I've already seen some indignation over the scene where Eggsy, um, plants the bug on Charlie's girlfriend... This in a movie where Julianne Moore makes a hamburger out of one of her henchmen and feeds it to another one. It's a funny world.
post #8 of 61
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I don't think I could ever get tired of Mark Strong's Scots accent. 

 

Ha. I was listening to the Empire podcast with Strong and Vaughn on the way home, and there's a bit that goes like this

 

Interviewer: "Mark Millar is obviously Scottish. What did he think of your accent?"

 

Mark Strong: "He said to me 'I don't know how you've done it, but you've completely nailed East Fife'."

 

Interviewer: "That's high praise!"

 

Mark Strong: "No, I think he was taking the piss."

post #9 of 61
Yeah, I listened to that too-- pretty amusing. I can't vouch for Strong's accuracy either, but I like the effect.

The guy's such a good actor, though. Later in the podcast when they talk about Vaughn's prospects of directing a Superman movie, with maybe Strong as Lex Luthor-- that's some tantalizing shit right there. If Warners makes that happen, I swear, I will forgive so much of their recent superhero garbage.
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Angry Joe seems to think there's a nod to Superman in the opening titles, with the placement of the "S" (from the word KINGSMAN) on a certain piece of clothing in the tailor shop. 

 

I didn't notice it, to be honest. 

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We got a special intro before my showing which was funny for several reasons. Usually my cinema chain plays a message by Mark Strong telling people to turn off their phones and remain quiet. This time, however, we got him in-character as Merlin, warning us that if anyone chatted during the movie, he would "come in there and re-enact the Church scene from the first movie". 

That made me smile. 

Vue? That was brilliant! "Turn your fucking phone off!"

I enjoyed this about as much as the first which to say I liked it but didn't love it. I think both sag a bit in the middle and neither are quite as funny as they probably shoukd be but Vaughn goes to town with those action sequences. They are absolutely stunning, particularly the cab fight/chase. The aerial shot of Eggsy drifting through London traffic was amazing.

I had a rollicking good time but there's something that keeps me at arms length. And dear Lord Saxon you know I love you but the Elton John thing was excruciating. Once, fine.... twice pushing it. But to have him keep coming back. Not for me.
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I cannot fathom someone liking the first one and not this.

 

Easy. In The Secret Service, death meant something and the juvenile humor was at the right balance.

 

Within the first half-hour of The Golden Circle, Vaughn, Goldman & Co. simultaneously brought back Harry and Charlie (both dead with a capital D in The Secret Service) and killed off half of the returning players. Only it was evidently lost on them what an oxymoron that was. Once you play the "Oh they're not REALLY dead..." card, all tension from there on out is null and voided. Hence Merlin's death meant absolutely nothing. 

 

As for the juvenile humor, the big to-do about anal sex in the penultimate scene of The Secret Service (incorrectly labeled the ending by certain think-pieces - the ending was Eggsy saving his mom and baby sister in the bar, calling back to "Manners. Maketh. Man." from the beginning) never bothered me. It was a cheap laugh. But having Eggsy plant a tracking device up a girl's vagina is truly repulsive. On a skin-crawling "Who thought this was OK?!" level of disgusting.

 

That the film lacks a notable action sequence and even is reduced to recreating the aforementioned "Manners. Maketh. Man." bar scene shows how fast they ran out of gas. When Channing Tatum dancing for 10 seconds and an extended Elton John cameo are the highlights of your two and a half hour film, you know you're fucked. 

post #13 of 61
Outside of the church scene, I really was disappointed by Kingsman. So it sounds like I should skip this one.
post #14 of 61
So, it sounds like this Millar adaptation did the same mistake Kick Ass did for its sequel.
That is, going full Millar.
post #15 of 61
If you didn't like the first you certainly won't like this.

Another point I wanted to make: I submit that the fact the film is constantly plugging Fox News and The Sun is exponentially more offensive than the (admittedly not particularly funny) sexual jokes.
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...the fact the film is constantly plugging Fox News and The Sun...

 

Wait, whut?

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As for the juvenile humor, the big to-do about anal sex in the penultimate scene of The Secret Service (incorrectly labeled the ending by certain think-pieces - the ending was Eggsy saving his mom and baby sister in the bar, calling back to "Manners. Maketh. Man." from the beginning) never bothered me. It was a cheap laugh. But having Eggsy plant a tracking device up a girl's vagina is truly repulsive. On a skin-crawling "Who thought this was OK?!" level of disgusting.

 

Eh, the exact same joke was in the second Austin Powers, and it went a lot further there.

post #18 of 61

Had a blast with this. Also we got to see it on non-3D IMAX which for me is a real treat. I think the last non-3D IMAX film I got to see was Man from U.N.C.L.E.

 

Elton John was great. Here's the thing with extended cameos with people like Elton - if it looks like they're having fun with it, then I'm going to have fun with it. And it did to me, so it worked.

 

Can't wait for the third.

post #19 of 61

A shame about what happened to Roxy though.

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Elton John was great. Here's the thing with extended cameos with people like Elton - if it looks like they're having fun with it, then I'm going to have fun with it. And it did to me, so it worked.

 

Elton wasn't acting. 

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If you didn't like the first you certainly won't like this.

Another point I wanted to make: I submit that the fact the film is constantly plugging Fox News and The Sun is exponentially more offensive than the (admittedly not particularly funny) sexual jokes.

That was really, really weird. If they were going for a joke, I must have missed it.

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A shame about what happened to Roxy though.

I'd bet she will be brought back as villain in the third one.
The whole Kingsman/Statesman being spy agencies founded and funded by private individuals kinda rubs me the wrong way; probably one of the reasons I dislike the series as a whole*

*And also James Bond as a whole, with the exception of the Craig series; I enjoy that Craig and co make no qualms that bond is a thug for the British government, and that the character is far more grey morally.
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Wait, whut?

Every time there is a news report it's Fox news. At the time I was trying to work out if it was a statement of some sort but then I remembered Papa Murdoch is paying the bills so...

It was the same in the first one. I can't imagine an ancient order of gentleman spies idolising The Sun the way Harry seemed to.
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I can't imagine an ancient order of gentleman spies idolising The Sun the way Harry seemed to.

 

I never even thought about that but you're right. 

post #25 of 61
Gross, this movie makes you watch Fox News.
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What the hell guys? They weren't idolizing The Sun. They were there to remind him of things he did on these dates. It's a joke on The Sun's expense. "When we were saving the world this is what people were worrying about."
post #27 of 61
And Fox News was complicit, albeit unintentionally, in getting the public to go along with the President’s big plan which amounted to death camps. It wasn’t a flattering portrayal for them either.
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Eh, the exact same joke was in the second Austin Powers, and it went a lot further there.


BUT HERE'S THE THING:

 

Part of my issue with the anal sex gag at the end of the first Kingsman isn't that I found it offensive, it's that it kind of came out of nowhere in a movie that felt relatively sexless. The thing about Austin Powers--the first and espeically the second one--is that it's pretty upfront about what kind of movie that it wants to be, which is a juvenile parody of the James Bond film. And both films stand up pretty well even today because the tone of both films are just so damn likable and joyous, that it's hard to take anything serious. I don't know if I can say the same for the Kingsman franchise.

post #29 of 61
You guys are still upset by that joke? It's been two and a half years. No more R-rated movies for you.
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And Fox News was complicit, albeit unintentionally, in getting the public to go along with the President’s big plan which amounted to death camps. It wasn’t a flattering portrayal for them either.

Guess what film cut several references to Dirty Donny?

post #31 of 61
If he saved me and the world I'd let em do me in the butt. Yolo
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What the hell guys? They weren't idolizing The Sun. They were there to remind him of things he did on these dates. It's a joke on The Sun's expense. "When we were saving the world this is what people were worrying about."

I dunno man... is that something that's stated explicitly? I can't remember the first that well. In that case why is it just The Sun? If I wanted to mock a newspaper for reporting drivel while I saved the world I wouldn't plaster my wall with it. The Logo of Fox and The Sun are frequently displayed on the screen so regardless of contextt the brands are being promoted. Add to this fact that Trump was apparently off limits but a very obvious Obama stand was fine in the first and... it's just a bit gross.
post #33 of 61
Bruce Greenwood as George W. Bush was kind of anachronistic.

I also don't think the filmmakers understand how impeachment works.
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I liked how they took inspiration from Men in Black 2 for Colin Firth's character. 

post #35 of 61
The first movie is MiB with spies instead of aliens.
post #36 of 61
Come on, man...

Don't insult MiB like that.
post #37 of 61
Yeah, MiB was a completely different movie about a veteran secret agent in a fancy suit who recruits an unlikely candidate to join his top secret group that uses a wide array of gadgets to thwart a world-endangering threat.
post #38 of 61
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I can see I'm not the only one who watched Movie Bob's review :)

post #39 of 61

Remember Ghostbusters? Let's do that but instead of ghosts we have aliens. And dress them like the Blues Brothers. And make sure it's got a catchy theme song... like Ghostbusters.

post #40 of 61
Ghostbusters weren't a shadowy organization, though. And they dressed like slobs.
post #41 of 61
But..but

MiB is good.
post #42 of 61
Anyway, I thought this was pretty good, apart from making me sit through Fox News filth. It's too damn long, though. I felt like I was watching an extended edition. Even some of the fights felt like they needed an intermission.
post #43 of 61

As someone who enjoys Hayseed Dixie, the last fight scene scored to The BossHoss was exceptional.

 

post #44 of 61
I like the fight scene in the saloon where Whiskey does all the fighting and the other heroes just sit there talking. It really demonstrates how action scenes don't advance the plot.

Although I love action scenes.
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Yeah, the movie really didn't need a callback to the first movie exchanging British chavs for American rednecks. 

 

As much as I enjoyed that final fight scene, I wish Whiskey could have been redeemed somehow. He was probably the best character in the entire movie and I'd have happily watched more of his lasso-fighting.

post #46 of 61
Why weren't Channing Tatum and Whiskey's characters composited into one character?
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Remember Ghostbusters? Let's do that but instead of ghosts we have aliens. And dress them like the Blues Brothers. And make sure it's got a catchy theme song... like Ghostbusters.

That happens to be how John Landis read it too when they offered it to him... and he passed.
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Why weren't Channing Tatum and Whiskey's characters composited into one character?

Because clearly they are saving Tatum for film 3, in which he will team up with Firth to avenge the death of Eggerton and his girlfriend.

post #49 of 61

I got the sense that Tatum only had very limited availability for this, so they're using him for a 'bridge' character to appear in K3 if it gets greenlit.

post #50 of 61

I thought this was fine.

 

The novelty wasn't there anymore and it DOES that that sequelitis problem.  But I like the characters, so that got me through.  Plot came off really scattershot this time around.  As Brad referred to above, it seems like a movie that was in need of combining the function of this big cast into less characters.  Elements that just come and go and come back like the movie went "oh yeah, I forgot about that!"  And despite that, the movie plays out in pretty predictable ways...  particularly if you already have a sense of Vaughn/Goldman/Millar's tastes from their past movies.

 

I REALLY enjoyed Pascal's performance as Whiskey (and he had my favorite action sequences) and wasn't particularly fond of where that character had to go.  I enjoyed Bruce Greenwood playing a major dick, though.  Because it's Bruce Greenwood.  He's usually so stoic and oozing gravitas!

 

The Elton John stuff felt really cheap, and mostly just reminded me of Tom Jones' appearance on The Simpsons.  

 

Really liked Julianne Moore's performance.

 

 

hahahahah, tatum

 

what a non part!

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