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Poll Results: SHOULD THIS PLACE CONTINUE?

 
  • 94% (122)
    Yes, we'll continue to support and frequent the site
  • 5% (7)
    No, we had a great run. I don't have the time or energy
129 Total Votes  
post #1 of 369
Thread Starter 

We've been behind the scenes trying to save the MB. Progress is being made but it's a large endeavor and we're against the clock.

 

As everyone knows, history and reality have kind of come full circle and outed a few rather sketchy people. I think that paints this site and community in a really interesting way. We've been home to some of these people but we've also bred so many talents and amazing relationships. 

 

Part of me wants to keep it going because I think we are special and better than most. I see it every day. I even see it in the people I've mentored who obviously still need more mentoring. CHUD is special, though folks will likely have to migrate to the Trouble City domain and be fine with that. It's not the domain that matters, but rather the heart behind it. I was really thinking about getting back into it but frankly, I don't see any enthusiasm on here for that.

 

Part of me wants to let it die because, aside from the Depression thread, it's sort of expendable now. 

 

The world has changed. Everything is so self-centered and instant gratification that it's a dumb business to be in if the only currency you operate on is feedback and support.

 

I've turned off the moderator powers because there was a rift forming that was chaff that took the focus off the bigger picture here.

 

Huddler will be gone very soon. I'm attempting to migrate this thing over. It's 18 years worth of content and it's a massive undertaking. Give your honest opinion in the poll below. I kept it binary for a reason. No room for emotion here.

post #2 of 369

Thank you for getting rid of the mod powers.

 

I voted YES, by the way.

post #3 of 369

The boards and the community have evolved, and things are a bit more free-wheeling and goofy than maybe they've been in the past, but I for one dig that. We're self-policing enough (and those of us that are around understand nobody's operating from a place of bad faith) and we call each other out on enough stuff that I wonder if mods are even necessary - maybe a couple for extreme cases. Anyway, I've really enjoyed posting here again over the last year, and there have been real highlights, like the Drafts or some of the more intense political conversations.

 

With all that's happening in the Web 1.0 criticism world, I also feel like we have a real opportunity here to work through some shit and do some good for ourselves and each other. 
 

It's worth keeping around. 

 

I think CLOM, JaWheedin, Jay Jay, and the marbel cinnamon universe would agree. 

post #4 of 369
The boards/community were also recently responsible for helping save someone’s life, I think it’s worth keeping.
post #5 of 369
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by jcr39 View Post

The boards/community was also recently responsible for helping save someone’s life, I think it’s worth keeping.

Which is why I singled out the Depression thread.

post #6 of 369
I voted Yes, without reservation.
post #7 of 369

Voted yes. Please keep them going. I will frequent Trouble City more often once everything is consolidated.

post #8 of 369

I obviously want the thing to survive, but I have a feeling that a flood of spam and CTM and DRPK are about to remind us why mod powers are needed.

post #9 of 369
This place is awesome and I don't know what I'd do with my time* if I didn't have all you excellent sonsabitches to argue with.

* Probably actually get something done.**
** Nah.
post #10 of 369
I voted yes. It's one of the few places on the net I bother to visit and even as a third tier poster I regard the first- and second-hand experience of reading and posting on the boards as much of an essential part of my day as shitting and make up weak excuses.
post #11 of 369

Yes, keep them. If you have to set up a Patreon or GoFundme to cover expenses, i'd be willing to spare a few bucks every month.

This is, hands down, the sole place on the internet were I feel a sense of community, belonging and kinship; it may be selfish of me to say so, but I'm a very much a loner and not very social (but very healthy mentally; its a lifestyle choice, like my asexuality/celibacy), but here the interaction is jovial, honest, engaging and intelligent. 

The second Trouble City is set up for good, I'll be there to support it, but I think these boards are worth keeping, specially (sadly) in the light of recent events.

They have helped improve and even save lives, generated friendships and sahre knowledge and love of a lot of things.

They are woth keeping, Nick.

Thank you for your work, dedication and efforts.

post #12 of 369

I'm not on Facebook, I have no other place I visit with any regularity, and I unabashedly adore this comfortable little world.  Of course I'd love to bsee it go on. 

 

Also, what Ryoken said.

post #13 of 369

Nick, if I don't have this place, then Melody's going to have to be on the receiving end of all my Norm MacDonald discussion and I'll probably end up divorced and living on your couch.

post #14 of 369

I'd be willing to be a mod if you want to turn it back on -- at minimum, to ban the spammers...

post #15 of 369
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Originally Posted by wd40 View Post
 

I'd be willing to be a mod if you want to turn it back on -- at minimum, to ban the spammers...

 

Same.  

post #16 of 369

If it's a choice between A.) scrapping this forum and starting fresh on the new site or B.) leaving CHUD up, focusing on Trouble City and letting entropy eventually take over here, then I'd say just scrap it.

 

I don't mean that to sound harsh in any way. I fucking love this place. Having it not exist will be like a good friend disappearing. But turning off mod powers is kind of like unplugging life support and letting nature take its course. Eventually, I think people will either move on or migrate to Trouble City anyway once things start getting weird and the spammers/dickfaces take over. So, leaving these forums up and letting things run wild until it eventually fades away sounds romantic, but it's best just to save everyone the slow, drawn-out process of migrating anyway.

 

It's better in the long run to move on to something new, even if that means starting fresh.

post #17 of 369

Voted yes. This place is my online home away from home, even if I read here far more than I post. I've been reading Trouble City since it got on its feet -- great stuff, though that's no big surprise -- and will set up a message board account there if the CHUD board's shut down. But until it is, I'll be here. There's just so much history and character that's accumulated here over the years, I'd hate to see all that "lost in time, like tears in rain."

post #18 of 369
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Originally Posted by Misfit View Post
 

Nick, if I don't have this place, then Melody's going to have to be on the receiving end of all my Norm MacDonald discussion and I'll probably end up divorced and living on your couch.

 

My couch is available. Both end seats recline. Think it over.

post #19 of 369

I have kind of a personal bias. I voted Yes.

post #20 of 369

Is it really an all-or-nothing thing when it comes to the forum content? Can't you hand-pick the legacy threads, then delete everything over 10 years old? There's tons of stuff out there from the aughts that won't be missed. Do we really need the post release thread for Sky Captain and the World of Tomorrow (I don't know if that actually exists, just using it as an example).

 

As for CHUD itself, despite only being an active member of the boards fairly recently, I've had a connection to this site and community for much longer - damn near stretching back to childhood. It's a special place on the internet.

 

CHUD does feel like an old friend at this point.

post #21 of 369

I voted yes, but I'm not going to debate this every six months like we've been doing since 2012. 

 

Since it's all expendable anyway, except a depression thread I've never posted in, I won't migrate over to any sort of Trouble City forum. 

post #22 of 369
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Originally Posted by Nick Nunziata View Post
 

The world has changed. Everything is so self-centered and instant gratification that it's a dumb business to be in if the only currency you operate on is feedback and support.

 

 

That's the reason I voted yes. This is the only place on the Internet where I feel like I can have an actual conversation. Everything else feels like it's a dinner party full of people talking to themselves.

 

I don't know how the hell to market an actual conversation, but it's -not- expendable.

post #23 of 369
I can think of one thread which is NOT 'expendable'.

Sorry.
post #24 of 369

Voted no, for the reasons mentioned above and my own personal ones.

 

I haven't posted here in quite a while, because I found a lot of the talk, especially around the big films, to have grown tiresome. Someone mentioned CHUD fatigue, and I think that was apt. There's been a dearth of new posters, a steady exodus of old ones, and the rise of a very clique-y, in-joke laden cycle of repeated "bits" and gags that drowned out a lot of the interesting film discussion that at least in my rose-tinted perception used to be more common. Or I just lost the taste for it. Either way, I lurked for a bit, seeing if I wanted to dip my toe back in and...nah. So, that's me personally.

 

Speaking in a larger sense as someone who was invested in CHUD as both a writer and a member, please just let it go. Or at the very least, don't try and shackle a new enterprise to the corpse of an old site as a "favor" to a few dozen regulars. I don't know if Trouble City is going to succeed or not, but considering CHUD as a site has basically lost all relevance outside of its unpleasant associations, take the things that once gave it value (the talent) and give them a chance to start fresh. Create an environment that hypothetical new posters won't be terrified to jump into. I don't even know if message boards in general can exist the way they did a decade ago, but you just need to look around to see this one definitely can't. These constant new "Well guys, whaddaya think?" threads come across as needing to be talked into or out of something. I think it's been established at this point that the few people still here like this place passionately, and those who don't are gone. Constantly asking them to pledge their loyalty to you and this board suggests the martyr. Either launch your new site and keep this as a favor to some old friends, hand over the reins, or flip the kill-switch and send everyone an invite to the new forums. 

 

Anyway, tried to make that succinct and honest (sticking to the "No room for emotion here" idea) but I would like to end on a positive note. Thank you Mr. Nunziata for creating this place, and for giving me a platform for my work. Also, thank you to the posters here who gave me many, many hours of  interesting discussion and ideas. I apologize to those of you I severed ties with abruptly, it's cliche but it really was me, not you. This place was a great comfort at low points, I just needed to refocus. I've since made positive changes, and anyone who'd like to contact me through Facebook is welcome to do so.

 

Onwards and upwards. If you do decide to shutter things, I'd appreciate it if you'd delete my account, as well as my articles (Maxwell Patterson). Best of luck to you with the new site.

post #25 of 369
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Originally Posted by Bartleby_Scriven View Post
 

I voted yes, but I'm not going to debate this every six months like we've been doing since 2012. 


This this this.

 

IMO this is a good board, an interesting variety of people post on it, there are usually interesting conversations going on on it. I appreciate that someone has been out there keeping the lights on all this time. Thanks for that.

 

But honestly message boards are not the apex of digital technology, they are not a scarce resource. I've seen forums with about the same level activity tick along indefinitely without this constant will they won't they drama over whether it gets wiped out or not hanging in the background. Do it or don't.

 

I mean yeah, it'd be a shame to lose all the old threads, but I'm starting to think nuking it and have the people who actually post here start over somewhere else might be preferable to its fate hanging on the whim of someone who isn't actually a regular poster and doesn't even seem to have a whole lot of respect for what the board currently is.

post #26 of 369
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  I don't even know if message boards in general can exist the way they did a decade ago, but you just need to look around to see this one definitely can't. 

 

Huh? I've been on dying forums before. This one, despite being past its peak, is holding strong. Just keep the lights on and this place has another decade in it, at least.

 

As for attracting NEW MEMBERS to a message board in the year of our Lord 2017... That I'm not sure is possible for anyone.

post #27 of 369
Thread Starter 

Folks realize this:

 

Huddler is closing shop. I have two options. This thing disappears when they turn the switch off or I port it someplace. It's not "the same old story". 

post #28 of 369

I'm a big fan of the time-capsule aspects of keeping the boards, useless warts and all.

 

But really, you should do what is most practically and reasonably feasible on your end.

post #29 of 369

So, either way black and green CHUD is going to be gone. The question is whether you invest the time and, presumably, money, migrating the content over to the new forums at Trouble City?

 

I would prefer yes, but my main reason for that would be if it were to ensure the higher number of Chewers making the switch and sticking there. I like revisiting old threads but the main draw is the people.

post #30 of 369

I like this place.  It's a yes for me.

post #31 of 369
Yes without question.
post #32 of 369
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Originally Posted by mcnooj82 View Post

I'm a big fan of the time-capsule aspects of keeping the boards, useless warts and all.

But really, you should do what is most practically and reasonably feasible on your end.

Agreed.

While I would love for everything to be ported over. If it's really easier to start from scratch I'm good with that. To me it's the posters that make this place special.

Threads can be rebuilt. But the chewers are irreplacable.
post #33 of 369
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Originally Posted by Codename View Post

Threads can be rebuilt. But the chewers are irreplacable.

 

I'd hate for some threads to be permanently lost.  The B-Action thread should almost be printed out and released as a book.

post #34 of 369

Just transfer the forum's content over to Trouble City. Then it can keep going, with proper moderation, for the people who want to make the jump and maybe you'll gather some new posters too, with the new brand name. And anyone else can still look through the new forum if they're feeling nostalgic.

 

But moving the forum onto another server just to let it float on until it dies is, frankly, kind of a waste of time and resources. Why double up when you can just take what's good here and throw it into the mix of new stuff?

 

Or just scrap it and move on. It's been one foot out the door for too long, and if we're being totally honest, we'll be here somewhere down the road having another vote about whether we should finally just kill it or let it keep floating on.

 

Make a firm choice one way or the other, Nick. I think you'll be happier being totally invested in Trouble City, and whoever wants to hold together would be able to with basically the same forum -- just with different colors.

post #35 of 369

I place a lot of value on the CHUD forums as an archive.  I voted yes.

post #36 of 369

If nothing else, these boards have tremendous cultural-historical value. I know we like to joke about the eventual book about Web 1.0, but these boards have seen it all - they go back to 1999, for crying out loud. It's a wealth of primary sourcing and we shouldn't lose that. 

post #37 of 369
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Originally Posted by Nick Nunziata View Post
 

Folks realize this:

 

Huddler is closing shop. I have two options. This thing disappears when they turn the switch off or I port it someplace. It's not "the same old story". 

 

This may be a dumb question on the technical end, but is it possible or more manageable to port over only threads of a certain size?  I can't imagine much griping if all the threads under 5 pages or so were to disappear.  But maybe the expense/effort is really concentrated on the monster threads anyway, I really don't know.

post #38 of 369
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Originally Posted by Judas Booth View Post
 

 

I'd hate for some threads to be permanently lost.  The B-Action thread should almost be printed out and released as a book.

 

If needed I'll take the book to the printing presses at Alcatraz. We must get copies to all.

post #39 of 369
Thread Starter 

Well, here's the other thing:

 

If I move the boards over (Trouble City was where it'd be moving) it basically means I'll be back online a lot more doing the stuff I did here.

 

So it's possible we'd see new vitality. So much of the slog has been the negative baggage (the other owners, certain ex-employees, etc).

 

With a clean slate AND the boards, I have justification to double down.

post #40 of 369

Sounds like that's the right choice, then. Just do it, like pulling off a band-aid.

 

Again, the content will be preserved, and people who want to can continue to build upon it with proper motivation and moderation behind it.

post #41 of 369
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Originally Posted by Judas Booth View Post
 

 

I'd hate for some threads to be permanently lost.  The B-Action thread should almost be printed out and released as a book.

 

People who have threads they really want to keep for posterity should probably make a personal archive, just in case.

 

 

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Originally Posted by Schwartz View Post
 

 

This may be a dumb question on the technical end, but is it possible or more manageable to port over only threads of a certain size?  I can't imagine much griping if all the threads under 5 pages or so were to disappear.  But maybe the expense/effort is really concentrated on the monster threads anyway, I really don't know.

 

Yeah, I don't know how much control they have over the process either.

 

I mean, I could live with just our account info being saved, since that would make it far more likely that the bulk of us at least try out the new digs. Beyond that it'd be great if the currently active threads survived for continuity, but we can make do with whatever is feasible. 

 

 

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Originally Posted by Nick Nunziata View Post
 

Well, here's the other thing:

 

If I move the boards over (Trouble City was where it'd be moving) it basically means I'll be back online a lot more doing the stuff I did here.

 

So it's possible we'd see new vitality. So much of the slog has been the negative baggage (the other owners, certain ex-employees, etc).

 

With a clean slate AND the boards, I have justification to double down.

 

Better to try and fail than to always ask yourself if you should've tried...

post #42 of 369

What kind of person would post here regularly for years and not make the switch to a new platform when the time came? That I don't understand.

post #43 of 369
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nick Nunziata View Post
 

Well, here's the other thing:

 

If I move the boards over (Trouble City was where it'd be moving) it basically means I'll be back online a lot more doing the stuff I did here.

 

So it's possible we'd see new vitality. So much of the slog has been the negative baggage (the other owners, certain ex-employees, etc).

 

With a clean slate AND the boards, I have justification to double down.

 

If you 'double down' that means all of us regular folks will have to triple or quadruple down...and I'd be up to try and do that....but I have to draw the line at quintupling down.

post #44 of 369

I'm becoming resigned to shifting the bulk of my online time to Letterboxd, where I can type my thoughts on film into the ether. I've enjoyed my time here, and to the board's credit, it's lasted years beyond anybody thought it would. Kudos to Nick for keeping it alive. Selfishly, I'd love to see them transferred over, but I'm sure that transferring 15+ years of message board content would be a Herculean task.

post #45 of 369
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Originally Posted by Moltisanti View Post
 

 

If needed I'll take the book to the printing presses at Alcatraz. We must get copies to all.

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post #46 of 369

Please keep the board alive.

Where else would we go? All other film forums on the net have died or been abandoned.

post #47 of 369

I was just thinking the other day that I hoped the boards could just be rebranded and continued as is.  But there was talk of the back end being cumbersome and problematic.

 

Like nooj and Boone and a few others I'm one who likes all of the clutter and history to still be there for some archaeologist one day.  I think the attitude and technological move of places like snapchat and so forth to having people's words be ephemeral, disposable and essentially meaningless is something of a tragedy.  If electrons permit, keep it all I say.  They weren't doing anything else.

post #48 of 369

54 to 1 as of this post. Close one.

post #49 of 369
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Originally Posted by Muzman View Post
 

I was just thinking the other day that I hoped the boards could just be rebranded and continued as is.  But there was talk of the back end being cumbersome and problematic.

 

Like nooj and Boone and a few others I'm one who likes all of the clutter and history to still be there for some archaeologist one day.  I think the attitude and technological move of places like snapchat and so forth to having people's words be ephemeral, disposable and essentially meaningless is something of a tragedy.  If electrons permit, keep it all I say.  They weren't doing anything else.

I, for one, im 50/50 on the idea that in the far future, a digital archeologist will ensure I'll be remembered for kickstarting a whole page of jokes about a shark that rapes people.

The "Talking shit" thread, however, is a treasure.

 

If the easiest choice is for the boards to be server transferred and just preserved to bet browsed, id have no problem. 

Whatever is easier and reasonable for you, Nick.

post #50 of 369
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Originally Posted by Amos Orange View Post
 

What kind of person would post here regularly for years and not make the switch to a new platform when the time came? That I don't understand.

In my earlier post I simply meant that I would not start over from scratch on a fresh board. Yes the people are what's most important, but that doesn't mean the content isn't also important. And the actual content of the CHUD boards is very, very precious to me. 

 

Since Nick has implied that the plan is to port these boards over to a new platform, then of course I'd be along for that ride. 

 

Listen, when Nick asked for help in 2011 I wrote for Thor's Comic Column for six months. When he asked for help again in 2013 I started two new columns on the main page and wrote those for six months. When he asked for help again in 2015 with Fandom, I wrote a few articles for that and got a friend of mine to be a contributor. I've put in my time. 

 

So when something that's precious to me is called expendable, on the same day that Jackknife Johnny unceremoniously vacates, that pisses me off. 

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