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You can go here and vote on the fan ballot: https://www.rockhall.com/fan-vote/2018-fan-vote

 

Here are the nominees that are being considered:

  • Bon Jovi
  • Kate Bush
  • The Cars
  • Depeche Mode
  • Dire Straits
  • Eurythmics
  • J. Geils Band
  • Judas Priest
  • LL Cool J
  • MC5
  • The Meters
  • Moody Blues
  • Radiohead
  • Rage Against the Machine
  • Rufus featuring Chaka Khan
  • Nina Simone
  • Sister Rosetta Tharpe
  • Link Wray
  • The Zombies

 

Edited to add Bon Jovi.  I missed them in the copy/paste.

post #2 of 44

Voting site's down. 

 

But I know who IS getting my vote!

 

post #3 of 44
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Agreed, all in on Judas Priest.  

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Rage Against the Machine?  Really?

 

 

 

 

Ugh.

post #5 of 44
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If it were up to me, the class (of those nominees) would be:

Judas Priest

The Cars

Depeche Mode 

Eurythmics

Moody Blues

Dire Straits

Radiohead

 

Those first six are way, way, way overdue for inclusion.  I'm not the biggest Radiohead fan (I love two albums, that's about it) but I recognize their value and their influence.

 

Still needing a nom:

Iron Maiden

post #6 of 44

Agreed.

 

I selected Priest, Dire Straits, Depeche Mode, and Radiohead.

 

 

Still no love for Weird Al, I see.  Is there a Polka Parody Hall of Fame I'm unaware of?

post #7 of 44

Kate Bush

Depeche Mode

Dire Straits

Eurythmics

Moody Blues

post #8 of 44
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Judas Priest, The Cars, Depeche Mode, Dire Straits, and Eurythmics for me.

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I lurrrrrve the MC5 and The Meters. Doubt they'll make it, but that's who I'm rooting for.

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I lurrrrrve the MC5 and The Meters. Doubt they'll make it, but that's who I'm rooting for.

 

the Meters and MC5 should have been in a long time ago....

post #11 of 44

Judas Priest

Depeche Mode

Dire Straits

Radiohead

Eurythmics

post #12 of 44
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I'm just imagining the final jam with Dire Straits, Judas Priest, Depeche Mode, Eurythmics, The Cars, and Radiohead up there.  That could be really, really interesting.

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I'm just imagining the final jam with Dire Straits, Judas Priest, Depeche Mode, Eurythmics, The Cars, and Radiohead up there.  That could be really, really interesting.


....and they'll be doing a Tom Petty song.

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I do have a lot of issues with the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame that have yet to be addressed.

 

The biggest...WHY THE DEMONIC FUCK HAS RONNIE JAMES DIO NOT BEEN INDUCTED YET???

post #15 of 44
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I do have a lot of issues with the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame that have yet to be addressed.

 

The biggest...WHY THE DEMONIC FUCK HAS RONNIE JAMES DIO NOT BEEN INDUCTED YET???

 

Amen.  Rainbow should be inducted, for that matter.

post #16 of 44

The worst was how he was snubbed when Black Sabbath was inducted. Despite the fact that he's responsible for keeping that band alive for years and is a vital component of one of their best albums (Heaven and Hell).

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The worst was how he was snubbed when Black Sabbath was inducted. Despite the fact that he's responsible for keeping that band alive for years and is a vital component of one of their best albums (Heaven and Hell).

 

Personally, I'd say that HEAVEN AND HELL is the best Black Sabbath album, full stop, and THE MOB RULES is up there in their top tier albums as well.

 

But holy shit...RAINBOW RISES should get him into the HoF all by itself.

post #18 of 44
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If it were up to me, the class (of those nominees) would be:
Judas Priest
The Cars
Depeche Mode 
Eurythmics
Moody Blues
Dire Straits
Radiohead

Those first six are way, way, way overdue for inclusion.  I'm not the biggest Radiohead fan (I love two albums, that's about it) but I recognize their value and their influence.

Still needing a nom:
Iron Maiden

I can't believe the Irons haven't been nominated. That's crazy. Are they not that big in the US?
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Personally, I'd say that HEAVEN AND HELL is the best Black Sabbath album, full stop, and THE MOB RULES is up there in their top tier albums as well.

 

But holy shit...RAINBOW RISES should get him into the HoF all by itself.

 

I WOULD agree with you...but PARANOID exists...

 

Fuck to the yeah on THE MOB RULES and RAINBOW RISES though.

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I can't believe the Irons haven't been nominated. That's crazy. Are they not that big in the US?

 

They are popular but nowhere near at the level of when POWERSLAVE owned he world.  Also, SEVENTH SON was not a huge hit over here (whereas it was huge elsewhere in the world).  Most of their newer stuff gets played for about a week on the radio and then disappears in favor of the new Shinedown crap.

post #21 of 44

And to add to what we're talking about wrt DIO, the HoF DOES have a history of snubbing metal.

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And to add to what we're talking about wrt DIO, the HoF DOES have a history of snubbing metal.

 

'Snubbing' is an understatement.  Where is Slayer?  Where is Queensryche?  Where in the fuck is BLUE OYSTER CULT?????

post #23 of 44

Metal is to the Rock Hall of Fame as comedy and horror are to the Oscars.

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They are popular but nowhere near at the level of when POWERSLAVE owned he world.  Also, SEVENTH SON was not a huge hit over here (whereas it was huge elsewhere in the world).  Most of their newer stuff gets played for about a week on the radio and then disappears in favor of the new Shinedown crap.

I don't doubt their popularity has waned but isn't that true of most bands being nominated in any given year. I mean, maybe the Eurythmics are still churning out quality pop, but I feel like the last thing I heard from either of them was Walking on Broken Glass.

Maybe it's a Transatlantic thing. I don't know anyone over the age of 20 who doesn't know Iron Maiden, even if it's only by name. Judas Priest? Raise it to 40 and you might hit 50/60%.
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I don't doubt their popularity has waned but isn't that true of most bands being nominated in any given year. I mean, maybe the Eurythmics are still churning out quality pop, but I feel like the last thing I heard from either of them was Walking on Broken Glass.

Maybe it's a Transatlantic thing. I don't know anyone over the age of 20 who doesn't know Iron Maiden, even if it's only by name. Judas Priest? Raise it to 40 and you might hit 50/60%.

 

Maiden also has the stigma of devil worship that they never really shook after 'The Number of the Beast'.  It's stupid and it's incorrect, but it's there nonetheless.

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Maiden also has the stigma of devil worship that they never really shook after 'The Number of the Beast'.  It's stupid and it's incorrect, but it's there nonetheless.

 

I mean...Priest did have to go to court because one of their albums supposedly commanded those guys to kill themselves.

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I mean...Priest did have to go to court because one of their albums supposedly commanded those guys to kill themselves.

 

A valid point.  However, they were fully exonerated.

 

Another thing probably in Priest's favor: Halford being openly gay.  His coming out as gay was a BIG thing for the metal community, so the band has some serious cred in that department that gives them more cache than their contemporaries, right or wrong.

post #28 of 44

I was never into Shop Class Rock. (Diss!)

 

 

It's all about Uncle L the Future of the Funk.

 

This was harder than "Master of Puppets"

 

Radio LLcoolJ.jpg

 

 

 "REDUCED BY RICK RUBIN"

 

 

post #29 of 44

No Warren Zevon, even on the short list, is a travesty. 

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No Warren Zevon, even on the short list, is a travesty. 

 

or Gary Numan for that matter.

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No Warren Zevon, even on the short list, is a travesty. 

Jesus Christ, I kinda thought he was already in there! Lame.

post #32 of 44

Zevon is the last major name from those late 70s California rockers to not get in - Eagles, Newman, Browne, Taylor, Ronstadt, Mitchell, Petty, Fleetwood (many of whom covered or played with Zevon) are all in. 

post #33 of 44

That's honestly surprising.

post #34 of 44
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I was serious on Gary Numan, by the way.  The new wave music scene owes him a tremendous debt, and countless current musicians (especially Trent Reznor) cite him as as major influence on their careers.  He is unjustly labeled as a one-hit wonder here in the US as he had (and continues to have) a pretty ardent following and a nice string of hit singles and albums in the UK and other countries.  He just came out with his best album in 30+ years last month and is in the middle of a career re-evaluation and resurgence that is long overdue.
post #35 of 44

How many years now since they made this a popularity contest? I don't get it. If it's a museum, the criterion should be a critical consensus, period.

 

I mean every big hair Barbara in NJ and across the Midwest is going to vote for Bon Jovi ... how does that mean anything?

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Part of me hopes that he'll one day get in (he's my favorite), but it honestly feels like so many of these inductions that aren't necessarily obvious, top-ballot, first year choices (Radiohead, Nirvana, Springsteen) are tied to a specific moment - see NWA and the release of Straight Outta Compton as the most recent example - in the re-evaluation of these artists' musical legacy. And the Hall has made a real push towards grunge and rap music - which is awesome, and long overdue. It also seems like the Hall is re-evaluating its racial and gender diversity, which I fully support. They also seem to be leaning towards artists who are still living, with a few exceptions here and there.
 

But WZ's my dude. It does feel that Zevon's moment has passed - there was a time in 2007, around the release of his biography (which admittedly painted him in a pretty honest, if stark, light) and then again briefly in 2013 around the 10th anniversary of his death - as we've gotten away from making sure the Hall has inducted all those 70s greats and more into the 80s and 90s. Maybe next year, around the 15th anniversary of his death (he would have been 70 this year), there'll be another big push. We'll see. 

 

I've also been on the "Jim Steinman is due for reappraisal" train for a while. And the fact that Joy Division/New Order are not in - on influence alone - is baffling. I can see NO not really meshing with the clear, anti-electronic/dance music bias of some of the core board of voters, but that JD isn't in shocks me. 

 

That being said, if Kate Bush gets in I will never complain about this again.
 

Anyway, here's the six I think will get in: 

Radiohead

Bon Jovi

Kate Bush

LL Cool J

Nina Simone
Zombies 
 

Dire Straits, Link Wray, Cars, and Rage could all be swapped out for any of those - they'd be a narrow tier 2. I think Radiohead will take a lot of Rage's first year votes and Rage will get in next year. 

 

But Radiohead and Bon Jovi are the only definite locks. 

 

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How many years now since they made this a popularity contest? I don't get it. If it's a museum, the criterion should be a critical consensus, period.

 

It's a combination of taking what the public thinks and deciding among critics, inductees, executives, musicians, etc. The fact that inductees get a vote that is weighted is also what's led to a lot of some of the stranger choices over the years - white dudes voting for other white dudes. And a very vocal voice can often go a long way. Little Steven has made no bones about the fact that he's advocated for a lot of the British Invasion/garage rockers who have gotten in (and is probably pushing for Zombies* and Link Wray this year) 
 

*Zombies are fucking great tho

post #37 of 44

Gram Parsons is my dude, so I know how you feel. They even left him off when the Byrds were inducted!

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But WZ's my dude. It does feel that Zevon's moment has passed - there was a time in 2007, around the release of his biography (which admittedly painted him in a pretty honest, if stark, light) and then again briefly in 2013 around the 10th anniversary of his death - as we've gotten away from making sure the Hall has inducted all those 70s greats and more into the 80s and 90s. Maybe next year, around the 15th anniversary of his death (he would have been 70 this year), there'll be another big push. We'll see. 

His bio is pretty grim. I wonder if his snubbing is the result of too many burned bridges.

post #39 of 44

I think first 10 years or so, the Hall did a good job of capturing the integrated musical spirit of what Rock n Roll was and should still be about.  It wasn't lily white or anything. Then I guess selections more often drifted in that direction...

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His bio is pretty grim. I wonder if his snubbing is the result of too many burned bridges.

 

You would think that, but then I look at all the people who played on that last album, or any of the tribute albums that have come out since, and I wonder if that's the case. The falling off the wagon in the last year of his life and doing shit like smoking in front of his pregnant daughter is...not great...but it also feels like he reconciled with a lot of the people he needed to reconcile with. 

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I go on about this all the time, but the brilliance of Rock n Roll was its inclusiveness. That was its genius. It changed America; knocking down the wall dividing two segregated worlds. Would we had had the Civil Rights breakthrough of the 60's without Little Richard, Chuck Berry, James Brown coming out of the radio in the 50's? Or Barry Gordy's Motown sound? Rock n Roll radio at its peak was Beach Boys, Beatles, Marvin, Otis, and the Stones blending into each other. Teenagers would be listening to the same station, regardless of neighborhood. It was truly multicultural, and beautiful.  So I always found it especially insidious that after all that was gained - somehow post-Woodstock - radio programmers began to strip the Blackness out of Rock N Roll. By the end of the 70's, about the only Black voice or artist you could hear on Rock radio was Jimi. When MTV began, despite its pop ambitions, it too was completely segregated until Bowie called them on it on air.

 

 

 

 

At least MTV changed. Rock radio never did.  How today is Prince not a part of the Classic Rock canon? For God's sake, at least play "Purple Rain" and "Let's Go Crazy"!

 

That's why Little Steven's Underground Garage is my heaven. It's like the Ramones song "Rock n Roll Radio" come to life.

 

Do you remember lying in bed
With your covers pulled up over your head?
Radio playin' so no one can see
We need change, we need it fast
Before rock's just part of the past
'Cause lately it all sounds the same to me
Oh oh oh oh, oh oh

 

Little Steven gets Rock n Roll didn't begin in 1968 with Cream and Led Zep. The channel blends R & B, Soul, and Punk. It gets that the music is supposed to be soundtrack of a house party.

 

I watched WILD STYLE this afternoon. The burgeoning Punk and Hip-Hop scenes were maybe last time music crossed over color lines. If you were of a certain age, you were into both The Clash and Grandmaster Flash.

 

Do I have a point? Maybe if White people still had a shared influence of the greatest music and culture of Black people we wouldn't be at this crossroads we're at now.  A time of little understanding and where hatred feels so potent.

 

Shit...maybe the answer is more Bob Marley. Teach that in schools.


Edited by Fat Elvis - 10/5/17 at 6:07pm
post #42 of 44

The Rock N Roll Hall of Fame should be as fucking cool as the jukebox in DEATH PROOF.

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Maiden also has the stigma of devil worship that they never really shook after 'The Number of the Beast'.  It's stupid and it's incorrect, but it's there nonetheless.

Well that's best described as pathetic.

I worship the devil and I'm one of the nicest people I know.
post #44 of 44
MC5 shoulda been in decades ago. Their influence can be shown through everything from the Clash to the Black Keys. And they won’t get in now, which is incredibly disappointing.

Agree that Radiohead and Bon Jovi are locks.
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