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post #51 of 102

I have never heard of The Cars. I kid you not.

 

Obviously, I am kidding when I assume they don't deserve to be inducted into a hall of fame because I haven't heard of them. That would be solipsistic, even for me.

post #52 of 102
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The Cars are effing great. No problem on my end with them getting in.

Jhp: do yourself a favor and get/download their first album. It's pretty much a perfect record and plays like a greatest hits album.
post #53 of 102

Wait what?  You've never heard of the Cars?  For a time, Rick Ocasek and co. were as influential (and more popular) than the Talking Heads!

 

 

Drive, The Cars (1984)

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Here, just listen to this today.

 

post #57 of 102
"Let's Go" alone would be enough to cement a band's legacy. Production on that shit is tight.
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"Let's Go" alone would be enough to cement a band's legacy. Production on that shit is tight.

post #59 of 102
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Man, I kinda envy jhp right now.  To just now discover The Cars and get to listen to their first few albums...what a gift.

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Here, just listen to this today.

 

 

These guys reeeeeally do not like to look at women's foreheads.

post #61 of 102
Cars, Moody Blues and Nina Simone are all very deserving. Dire Straits is more borderline, but still fine. Bon Jovi is instantly one of the worst bands in the Hall.
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Cars, Moody Blues and Nina Simone are all very deserving. Dire Straits is more borderline, but still fine. Bon Jovi is instantly one of the worst bands in the Hall.

I'm no fan of Bon Jovi either, but they've more than earned it.

post #63 of 102
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Now for some Dire Straits:

 

To that end, the 'Making Movies' album is pretty much perfect.

post #64 of 102

This is one of the best songs for your 80s homage where you're trying to smuggle coke across the border: 

post #65 of 102

PRIEST WAS ROBBED!

 

I'm cool with the list though.

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PRIEST WAS ROBBED!

 

I'm cool with the list though.

 

Yeah, I'm spitting flames on their exclusion as well.

post #67 of 102

With all the Cars and Dire Straits videos posted, no one thought to post these?:

 

 

 

 

 

This website is fucked and all of you are garbage.

 

While it sucks, I'm not surprised about Priest not getting in.

 

 

6:07-6:14 is one of the greatest moments in music history DO NOT FUCKING QUESTION ME.

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PRIEST WAS ROBBED!

 

I'm cool with the list though.

 

 

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Yeah, I'm spitting flames on their exclusion as well.

 

 

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With all the Cars and Dire Straits videos posted, no one thought to post these?:

 

 

 

 

 

This website is fucked and all of you are garbage.

 

While it sucks, I'm not surprised about Priest not getting in.

 

 

6:07-6:14 is one of the greatest moments in music history DO NOT FUCKING QUESTION ME.


DAMN RIGHT PRIEST WAS ROBBED!!

 

I'm glad Bon Jovi got in and I can't believe The Cars just got in. They have been eligible since at least 2005. 

post #69 of 102

Bon Jovi deserve to be in the Hall!

 

Jon Bon Jovi's walk to the stage is all that is right with being a rock star.

 

One of my favorites from New Jersey.

post #70 of 102

The Dire Straits selection is solid, in my book.  I've always liked bands that can have fun, and "Money For Nothing" is just a fun song that actually has something to say about music and stardom.  I would offer Love Over Gold as their best work.

 

The Cars are not fun.  Their songs were well written, played, and produced, but a bit soul-less.  I saw them in concert when I was in high school (1985) and was bored to tears.  

 

I don't know what to think about Bon Jovi.  I actually like a lot of their stuff, but I don't think they were cutting edge, or influential to other groups in any way.  I'm leaning toward bad call.

 

I'm amazed by the fact that the Zombies are not in.  I'm also amazed that as of this past summer, they're still touring!

 

J. Geils band - also fun.

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The Dire Straits selection is solid, in my book.  I've always liked bands that can have fun, and "Money For Nothing" is just a fun song that actually has something to say about music and stardom.  I would offer Love Over Gold as their best work.

 

 

LOVE OVER GOLD is solid, but it's MAKING MOVIES for me all the way, every day.  That said, they really don't have a bad album.  Even their last one, ON EVERY STREET, was quite good.

 

 

Even thought it wasn't a single, I happen to really love this song:

My brother and I tend to quote this song if we're out partying.  'The secret's in the cheese...it's casual entertaining, we aim to please...'

post #72 of 102

I'm fine with the list this year, and not big on the HOF thing anyway.  

 

I do like The Cars though.  It bears mention that Moving In Stereo accompanies the most famous scene in Fast Times at Ridgemont High.  Just What I Needed is a damn near perfect song.  I do think their later stuff got away from the guitar too much.

 

I love the lyrics of Let the Good Times Roll - "Let them brush your rock and roll hair"

 

 

I like Dire Straits and Knopfler's playing style a lot but have not heard all their stuff.  

 

Money for Nothing in fact does not stand the test of time anymore with it's lyric about a 'little faggot with the earring and the make-up'.

post #73 of 102
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The Dire Straits selection is solid, in my book.  I've always liked bands that can have fun, and "Money For Nothing" is just a fun song that actually has something to say about music and stardom.  I would offer Love Over Gold as their best work.

For "Industrial Disease" and "Telegraph Road" alone.  My teenage heart will always belong to "Romeo & Juliet", forever.

post #74 of 102

I've never been much of a Bon Jovi fan, but Keep the Faith is an underrated 90s album.

 

I love Dire Straits and the same can be said for Mark Knopfler's solo material (Sailing to Philadelphia is a damn good album).  As already said, the Cars' debut album is fantastic - not a second wasted on that one.  Nina Simone has some fantastic albums (Little Girl Blue and Pastel Blues come to mind). 

 

I've never delved too deep into the Moody Blues, but I've always liked them.  A friend of mine works at a hotel.  A few years ago, he had to go to the room of a man who needed help with a window, and the guest was very nice and talked with him about history.  A year later, my friend got a call for a different problem and it was the same guy.  This guy remembered my friend and was, again, super nice to him.  My friend didn't know who he was, but when he asked who he was and what he did, the response was, "I'm John, and I sing for the Moody Blues."  That would be John Lodge, folks.

post #75 of 102

 

maybe the only song that gives me goosebumps before the music even starts

 

edit: posted the west wing version because i know Boone loves it as much as I do.

post #76 of 102

Bon Jovi is THE most embarrassing induction in the history of the Hall. What a pitiful attempt to relate.

post #77 of 102

Still about Uncle L.

 

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maybe the only song that gives me goosebumps before the music even starts

 

edit: posted the west wing version because i know Boone loves it as much as I do.

 

Funny, that song conjures up very different NBC-related memories for me.

 

 

 

Goddamn McGill owned this episode.

post #79 of 102

is that. ... a young David Straitharn?

 

wow

post #80 of 102

Nah, put me in the "Bon Jovi is good" camp.

post #81 of 102

Me too. I dig the hell out of Bon Jovi. 

 

They were also pretty instrumental in Glam Metal hitting the mainstream as big as it did. 

post #82 of 102

Bon Jovi is a more polished version of the Jersey Shore sound that Springsteen pioneered in the 70s. There's an alternate world where Springsteen leans into the full, Spectorian production after Born in the USA and has a career that's much more in line with what Bon Jovi wound up doing. Ultimately, while there are always going to be better nominees that should have gotten in (KATE BUSH), I think for a solid, late-period "classic rock" band, they've been consistent over decades, and that counts for something. And let's not pretend like many of the bands in the rock hall have been doing variations on the same thing for their entire careers (Green Day, cough. Aerosmith, cough). Nothing wrong with that. 

"It's My Life" is fucking terrible, though. 

post #83 of 102

This might be their most embarrassing moment. Reactionary and clueless. At this point they were The Eagles for grown up mall chicks:

 

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This might be their most embarrassing moment. Reactionary and clueless. At this point they were The Eagles for grown up mall chicks:

 


 To paraphrase Chuck Klosterman, a band's later day material shouldn't be held against them. As soon as I typed that I remembered that Crush and Bounce are good albums; not the stone cold classic that New Jersey is, but good arena rock albums never the less.

post #85 of 102

If Priest ever do get into the Hall, Ripper Owens should be inducted as a member. His Cinderella story has earned him a place there.

 

  I remember seeing him with Priest in 97 like it was yesterday. They opened with The Hellion/Electric Eye. During the Hellion he just stood on the drum riser staring at the crowd with laser focus. As soon as he sang the first line I was floored.

post #86 of 102

I'm surprised the New York Dolls aren't in the Hall. They're a critics darling and a big influence on both punk and glam rock.

post #87 of 102

I was a PA on an LL Cool J video once, it was a trip.

 

The studio stuff was filmed in LA and the location stuff in NYC.

Director was named Hype (Williams), First AD was named Messiah (light skinned black guy), 2nd AD was named Bear (large overweight black guy).

The dumb part was that we filmed in The Tunnel (club on west side) without closing it and after filming in Brooklyn all day.  They did pay double day rates but it was maybe 22 hours total.

Security by Nation of Islam instead of the NYPD.  Which really only means they won't speak to you.

 

edit: did not work on any of the LA stuff


Edited by Rylander - 12/14/17 at 9:40pm
post #88 of 102

I get this feeling Elvis has a really narrow definition of what is and isn't rock and roll. 

post #89 of 102

It's interesting that there are essentially two Dire Straits, the David Knopfler/Pick Withers era and the second incarnation after Mark decided to expand the band's sound leading to the departure of David and Pick (he left shortly after the release of Love Over Gold). As much as I love the expansive sound of everything post-Making Movies, there's a certain simplicity to the David Knopfler/Pick Withers era. 

post #90 of 102
Not a Bon Jovi guy, though all the musicians being inducted have some merit. But none of them are MC5, so screw this year.

Get to fuck 2018!
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'Snubbing' is an understatement.  Where is Slayer?  Where is Queensryche?  Where in the fuck is BLUE OYSTER CULT?????

 

 

Look how long it took Sabbath and Purple to get in. I don't know how Metallica made it on first ballot - too big to fail, I suppose; in the 90s they were the biggest American rock (or at least "rock subgenre") band. 

post #92 of 102
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Money for Nothing in fact does not stand the test of time anymore with it's lyric about a 'little faggot with the earring and the make-up'.

 

To be fair, Knopfler is voicing a character; in that character's eyes, Knopfler himself probably qualifies as a faggot with an earring and makeup. 

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Not a Bon Jovi guy, though all the musicians being inducted have some merit. But none of them are MC5, so screw this year.

Get to fuck 2018!

 

 

Basically, when people talk about RatM and Gary Numan, I'm like "sure, so long as the acts those two (and numerous others) built their careers on, the MC5 and Kraftwerk, get in." 

post #94 of 102

Bon Jovi are this year's Steve Miller - neither foundational nor innovative nor unique, they were merely popular and successful. 

Which, good for them, but I'd rather see Motley Crue in before Bon Jovi. 

 

 

Counterpoint: Steven Hyden's take on Bon Jovi in his "Winner's History of Rock'n'Roll" series. 

 

http://grantland.com/features/the-winners-history-rock-roll-part-3-bon-jovi/

post #95 of 102

The fact that Steve Miller treated the Black Keys like shit before they inducted him seemed rock 'n' roll enough for an induction, to be fair, haha.

 

And I sort of dig the Black Keys.

post #96 of 102

Bon Jovi and Steve Miller are both solid rock bands, and at a certain point, there are lots of bands predating them that you could say are "merely popular and successful."

 

This idea that something has to be anything other than consistently good is a bit strange. It's really hard to put out music that both sounds familiar and is new for years. A great recent example - one of my most anticipated of the year was Haim's SOMETHING TO TELL YOU. Having listened to it shortly after listening to Lorde's MELODRAMA, I initially found myself let down - unlike Lorde, they weren't taking that great leap forward, but doing songs that seemed of a piece with their first record. It was only upon reflection, and a second listen, that I realized that what Haim is doing - and to do that consistently over two records - is just as challenging as what Lorde does, just in a different way. Black Keys, another great example - very hard to put out consistently good rock records over an extended period of time. 

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The fact that Steve Miller treated the Black Keys like shit before they inducted him seemed rock 'n' roll enough for an induction, to be fair, haha.

 

And I sort of dig the Black Keys.

 

 

Well, based on their speech, they had no idea who he was, which is sorta inexplicable to me....love him or hate him, Steve Miller was omnipresent on the radio in the 70s/early 80s. 

Compare the Keys' listless dud of a speech to Rob Thomas' and Kid Rock's loving and admiring induction speeches for Chicago and Cheap Trick from that same year. 

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Bon Jovi and Steve Miller are both solid rock bands, and at a certain point, there are lots of bands predating them that you could say are "merely popular and successful."

 

This idea that something has to be anything other than consistently good is a bit strange. It's really hard to put out music that both sounds familiar and is new for years. A great recent example - one of my most anticipated of the year was Haim's SOMETHING TO TELL YOU. Having listened to it shortly after listening to Lorde's MELODRAMA, I initially found myself let down - unlike Lorde, they weren't taking that great leap forward, but doing songs that seemed of a piece with their first record. It was only upon reflection, and a second listen, that I realized that what Haim is doing - and to do that consistently over two records - is just as challenging as what Lorde does, just in a different way. Black Keys, another great example - very hard to put out consistently good rock records over an extended period of time. 

 

 

I'm on the Cheap Trick bandwagon, and they are in because they've basically been a consistently good workingman's band for decades. I personally think they belong in because they are a foundational act for power pop, and they did have a wide reach as far as making musicians realise that melody, wit, and crunch could coexist in a spectacularly successful fashion, but I think most people put them in because At Budokan still gets plenty of play. 

 

Bon Jovi is CT, but far more successful, and not as foundational or influential. They belong in the "Rock Hall of the Very Good." 

post #99 of 102

The problem with the Rock Hall is that it has always been very narrow with regards to what it considers "rock." I think that probably comes from the moniker - you can't really have an American Popular Music of the Post War Era Hall of Fame. But I think there's tremendous value in being Consistently Very Good over decades, and I do think Bon Jovi's influence is maybe underrated or understated - as the Hyden piece points out, Slippery When Wet is Thriller with the Halen/Jackson ratio flipped. And you can see that in a lot of contemporary music, I think. 

 

Ultimately, I think all you need to get into the Rock Hall is at least three great songs that have lasted, and Bon Jovi has them. 

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The problem with the Rock Hall is that it has always been very narrow with regards to what it considers "rock." I think that probably comes from the moniker - you can't really have an American Popular Music of the Post War Era Hall of Fame. But I think there's tremendous value in being Consistently Very Good over decades, and I do think Bon Jovi's influence is maybe underrated or understated - as the Hyden piece points out, Slippery When Wet is Thriller with the Halen/Jackson ratio flipped. And you can see that in a lot of contemporary music, I think. 

 

Ultimately, I think all you need to get into the Rock Hall is at least three great songs that have lasted, and Bon Jovi has them. 



I certainly don't mind that the Hall's mission seems to have morphed from "Rock" to "Popular-but-not-pop music (except sometimes) post 1950."

 

I really don't see there being any real influence in Bon Jovi....if they hadn't existed, nothing would be different about the post-1980 musical landscape. They provide nothing that say, Def Leppard (a superior band, IMO) wasn't already providing. 

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