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Supernatural v. 13 Lucifer II: Electric Bugaloo

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Season premiere was on tonight.  I can't believe this show is still chugging along...or that I'm still enjoying it, 13 years in.  Anyone else still on board?  

post #2 of 28

I'm still watching and likely will keep doing so  until they finally call it a day.  After this long, I may as well right?  

 

This show has no real drive or focus, and it hasn't since season 5 wrapped. It just.... kinda meanders around from idea to idea and rarely commits to anything in a real way.  

 

But there's usually at least 2-3 really good episodes a season, and I still love the core cast (which appears to be halved now, sadly) bouncing off of each other.  I just wish Edlund had gotten the reigns.

post #3 of 28

I didn't catch the opener yet, but I will.  I'm in the same boat as Andronicus where I've invested so much time into this series that I feel like I should just keep going.  Last season was a chore, though.  Season 11 was pretty decent, and I would've been content with that being the end.  Oh, well.

 

I'm looking forward to the Scooby-Doo crossover, but Crowley being gone is going to leave a hole.

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Stopped at five.  From the sounds of things I'm glad I did.  Not that more of the shows highs are a bad thing,  but the aimlessness is what REALLY kills it for me. 1-5 was such amazing TV.  Slowly building from X-Files monster of the week in season 1 with only small myth arc hooks, to more myth arc in season two, to even more in 3 etc... to a full fledged myth arc that the boys couldn't escape from if they wanted to by season 5.  That entire season feels climatic.  It feels like something organically built to, a natural end. Like the whole show was working towards that all the time.  To see the mighty and powerful Lucifer be this sort of pithy side character guest star almost offends me.  He was the ultimate big bad, he was a big ass deal. 

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Stopped at five.  From the sounds of things I'm glad I did.  Not that more of the shows highs are a bad thing,  but the aimlessness is what REALLY kills it for me. 1-5 was such amazing TV.  Slowly building from X-Files monster of the week in season 1 with only small myth arc hooks, to more myth arc in season two, to even more in 3 etc... to a full fledged myth arc that the boys couldn't escape from if they wanted to by season 5.  That entire season feels climatic.  It feels like something organically built to, a natural end. Like the whole show was working towards that all the time.  To see the mighty and powerful Lucifer be this sort of pithy side character guest star almost offends me.  He was the ultimate big bad, he was a big ass deal. 

Did you hear they met god? He was a dick who ate cereal and him and Lucifer argued like a teenager and a father. Doesn't that sound adorable?

 

Anyway now that CW made that deal with Netflix where the entire season ends up there a week after the finale airs im just going to wait and watch it that way. There was a time when I couldn't wait and that time was between 1-5. I can't just stop now because I invested so much time but I know most of the season will disappoint me. 

 

What does kind of interest me though is that this season they are doing a backdoor pilot for their spinoff Wayward Sisters. Apparently Sheriff Jody Mills and her 2 adopted daughters are going monster hunting on their own. Considering they will have to have their own creative team I imagine this could actually be a good show.

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God, I hope it's better than their last attempt at a backdoor pilot. Bloodlines, was it?  

 

Honestly, the show has gotten so random that it feels like it would fit in with the MCU, or any superhero universe.  I keep expecting them to team up with Dr Strange or hunt Swamp Thing. 

post #7 of 28
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I kinda feel bad dredging this thread back up, doesn't seem like anyone else is really into this anymore, but, damnit...I'm actually digging it so far. I'm a big fan of 'The Shit-Talkin' Lucifer and Mum Roadshow'
post #8 of 28
I still enjoy it. Is this only the second backdoor pilot attempt? I thought that episode with the male witch and his dog who turned into a girl was an attempt at a pilot too. She was also his girlfriend.
post #9 of 28

The first two episodes have been okay.  I'm not sure what to think of Asmodeus yet.  A Crowley clone likely wouldn't have worked, but I'll miss his humor.  Asmodeus is clearly not being written in that direction.

 

We haven't seen the last of the Shedim, I think.

post #10 of 28
Oh boy, another season long arc about how Sam and Dean disagree on something. How fresh!
post #11 of 28

At least this time they don't have a secret that they won't tell the other until the end of the season.

post #12 of 28

We're two episodes in. Give it time.  

 

Not trying to shit on the show.. I'm still watching it, after all.  They still pull off humor with ease, I'm just frustrated by the lack of focus. All the real character growth is now completely on the secondary characters... and they killed off most of those characters last season. While I'm relatively certain at least one of those characters will be back before long.. I don't know that at the moment. It feels like a waste.

 

Also, they've had Pelligrino back for a while now... so how hard could it possibly have been to add a line or two of dialogue from him regarding Adam in the cage? Just tie up that loose thread already, because every time Sam or Dean talk about the bonds of brothers, I want to roll my eyes so hard that my retinas should detach. After the lengths these two go for each other when they "die", they sure rolled over on the Adam situation without putting much thought into it. 

 

Still, every so often we get a crazy-good episode like Weekend at Bobby's ... or a surprisingly touching moment like Metatron's face turn. Things like that have locked me in - I'm with this show until the bitter end now. 

post #13 of 28

I'll be watching this until it's actually cancelled a decade from now. It's a guilty pleasure of a show at this point.

post #14 of 28
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I hear ya, guys!  While it doesn't have the narrative punch of seasons 3, 4, and 5...this show is my 'grilled cheese and tomato soup on a cold day' of television and  I'm here for the duration.

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We're two episodes in. Give it time.  

 

Not trying to shit on the show.. I'm still watching it, after all.  They still pull off humor with ease, I'm just frustrated by the lack of focus. All the real character growth is now completely on the secondary characters... and they killed off most of those characters last season. While I'm relatively certain at least one of those characters will be back before long.. I don't know that at the moment. It feels like a waste.

 

Also, they've had Pelligrino back for a while now... so how hard could it possibly have been to add a line or two of dialogue from him regarding Adam in the cage? Just tie up that loose thread already, because every time Sam or Dean talk about the bonds of brothers, I want to roll my eyes so hard that my retinas should detach. After the lengths these two go for each other when they "die", they sure rolled over on the Adam situation without putting much thought into it. 

 

Still, every so often we get a crazy-good episode like Weekend at Bobby's ... or a surprisingly touching moment like Metatron's face turn. Things like that have locked me in - I'm with this show until the bitter end now. 


I see people say this all the time but I don't think Adam is in the cage. Just like when a demon rides around in a meat suit if too much damage is done to it the host dies. Adam/Michael got firebombed with a Molotov cocktail of holy fire, no way his soul survived that. So while Michael shows back up a couple minutes later still wearing his skin I think Adam's soul is persona non grata at that point. 

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I see people say this all the time but I don't think Adam is in the cage. Just like when a demon rides around in a meat suit if too much damage is done to it the host dies. Adam/Michael got firebombed with a Molotov cocktail of holy fire, no way his soul survived that. So while Michael shows back up a couple minutes later still wearing his skin I think Adam's soul is persona non grata at that point. 

I don't think so. For a couple seasons after 5 the did bring up that he was in the cage and during their musical episode a couple years ago one of the girls mentioned it to them and their shared a look. It seems like it was in play until that point only, seemly a knowing nod to the fans. However when they actually got the cage.....nothing. And if you are right and he was ground into oblivion....why not have a line about that?  Like while down in the cage Sam asks Lucifer about Adam and then Lucifer taunts him with that fact. Gives you even more reason to hate Lucifer really. If you needed more reason to hate the devil I guess. 

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I don't think so. For a couple seasons after 5 the did bring up that he was in the cage and during their musical episode a couple years ago one of the girls mentioned it to them and their shared a look. It seems like it was in play until that point only, seemly a knowing nod to the fans. However when they actually got the cage.....nothing. And if you are right and he was ground into oblivion....why not have a line about that?  Like while down in the cage Sam asks Lucifer about Adam and then Lucifer taunts him with that fact. Gives you even more reason to hate Lucifer really. If you needed more reason to hate the devil I guess. 


True, I think they dropped the ball narratively because also when Sam doesn't have a soul and Dean wants to put it back Castiel brings up how it's going to be messed up because it was locked in the cage with Lucifer and Michael and it was the only thing for them to play with or something along those lines. Why not mention Adam's then as well? I just took it as his soul was gone because when Cas got smited by the archangel and was brought back it was the same body but he pointed out that Novak was no longer in it.

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True, I think they dropped the ball narratively because also when Sam doesn't have a soul and Dean wants to put it back Castiel brings up how it's going to be messed up because it was locked in the cage with Lucifer and Michael and it was the only thing for them to play with or something along those lines. Why not mention Adam's then as well? I just took it as his soul was gone because when Cas got smited by the archangel and was brought back it was the same body but he pointed out that Novak was no longer in it.

I believe they did bring it up actually. I thing they either asked the fairies or death and they said no, you can only have 1 soul, Sam or Adam.

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I believe they did bring it up actually. I thing they either asked the fairies or death and they said no, you can only have 1 soul, Sam or Adam.


Well damn, I'll have to revisit that handful of episodes and see. I did do a rewatch recently but I stopped at the end of five.

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Well damn, I'll have to revisit that handful of episodes and see. I did do a rewatch recently but I stopped at the end of five.

To be fair I could be wrong, It's just something I think I remember. If it wasn't one of them there was at least some talk of Adam in season 6, I do remember that.

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Hey ya'll.  I'm still watching too, so your discussions are definitely not going unread!  I didn't realize the show had come back until I saw this thread.  Watched the first 3 episodes over the weekend on the CW app (ugh, why did they have to go and create their own app instead of sticking with Hulu?).  Enjoying the season so far, I'm here till the end.  I can't believe this is really season 13, pretty amazing that it keeps chugging along.  

post #22 of 28

I have nothing to discuss regarding this show because it has nothing to say. I'm still watching though.

 

It's definitely like that old blanket I had as a wee lad. However, that blanket smells like urine and chocolate, it's in shreds, and what's left of it is an never-before-seen green color; but it's still that blanket I've had by my side for as long as I can remember.

post #23 of 28

Castiel made it back to Earth too quick for my liking.  I sort of liked the idea of him being in limbo; they could've done more with that idea.

 

The brothers are fighting again, but they seemed to a reach a breakthrough already, which is nice.

 

Nothing too offensive so far, but, yeah, a stronger sense of direction would be nice.  There's a two-parter coming up in a few weeks.

post #24 of 28

An alternate reality Michael as the potential big bad with Kevin by his side was not something I was expecting.

 

I was hoping we were fully done with the British Men of Letters stuff, so color me disappointed by the last episode's developments.

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Huh, it seems that Sam and Dean will be facing...

 

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dinosaurs in an alternate dimension

 

when the season starts up again in January.  

post #26 of 28

If I had a drink for every time the name Derek (my real name) was uttered this episode, I'd be in intensive care by now.  Twice over.

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Huh, it seems that Sam and Dean will be facing...

 

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dinosaurs in an alternate dimension

 

when the season starts up again in January.  

Umm they don't have money for anything, how the fuck is that going to go? Dudes with some light scales?

post #28 of 28

This show has officially gone bonkers and I love it.

 

Poor Sam and Dean.

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