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post #1 of 43
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So, the most beloved horror movie franchise starring a 70-year-old is back and hey, it's not a reboot or remake, not even a prequel. While both TEXAS CHAINSAW 3D (which tried to be a weird sequel to its original) and LEATHERFACE (which tries to be a weird prequel to its original) tried to start something new each, the Saw series just shrugs and decides to just continue its convoluted storyline 7 years after Saw 3D.

 

Kramer is still dead, obviously, but there's a new series of Jigsaw traps and people dying in them.

 

This is directed by the Spierig bros (Predestination, Daybreakers, Undead), which could be something, but they hired the screenwriters of Good Luck Chuck, The Hungover Games, and Piranha 3D, so the trust in this must not have been the biggest.

 

I'm curious whether they will finish the open end of Saw 3D by saying/showing anything about Hoffman's final fate. As far as I know, Costas Mandylor is not part of the cast. Also not on board: Cary Elwes. Tobin Bell of course returns for more flashback material.

 

Will this start another series of annual sequels, or just die?

 

https://youtu.be/vPP6aIw1vgY

post #2 of 43

I can't remember the last one of these I watched... 3, maybe? This series was just so goddamned mean, but I liked Tobin Bell well enough.

 

Does he have a screen role in this or what?

post #3 of 43

aaaaw that's a shame. I didn't care for daybreakers, but I absolutely loved Predestination.

 

The Spierig Bros deserve better than this.

post #4 of 43
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I can't remember the last one of these I watched... 3, maybe? This series was just so goddamned mean, but I liked Tobin Bell well enough.

 

Does he have a screen role in this or what?

 

Yep, but unless he has been resurrected or has a secret twin brother he will only show up in flashbacks (as in IV, V, VI, and 3D).

post #5 of 43

Actually it's a new guy taking on the Jigsaw mantle because reasons.

 

Can't believe they made another one of these fucking things.

post #6 of 43

Shooting new flashback scenes with a still-living, still-aging actor whose character died a decade ago seems to present it's own set of challenges.

 

Twin brother seems like a pretty good guess for where they could take this one.

post #7 of 43
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Twin brother seems like a pretty good guess for where they could take this one.

 

Except for the fact that the film is called 'Jigsaw', implying it's the same guy.  

 

I only saw the first and second of the original SAW films.  I was content to proceed no further.

post #8 of 43

Heh, I'm one of the few people that doesn't hate these movies. I had fun with them because I am a gore hound. I love the Spieregs. I had no clue they were directing this. I'll be seeing it. *shrug* It's a tradition with one of my buddies.

post #9 of 43
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Except for the fact that the film is called 'Jigsaw', implying it's the same guy.  

 

Maybe the murder puzzle serial killing has a family dynasty dynamic, like lucha libre wrestling.

post #10 of 43
I have seen all of the Saw movies and look forward to additional installments.
post #11 of 43

My mind completely blanked on the existence of parts 5 thru 7.

 

Who was the killer in those, that female apprentice of his? I remember the last one I watched was the one which set that up.

post #12 of 43
You were the killer, Amos. It was you all along.
post #13 of 43
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Maybe the murder puzzle serial killing has a family dynasty dynamic, like lucha libre wrestling.

 

Are...are YOU Jigsaw???

No, I'm Dremel Tool, his brother.

post #14 of 43
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My mind completely blanked on the existence of parts 5 thru 7.

 

Who was the killer in those, that female apprentice of his? I remember the last one I watched was the one which set that up.



5 and 6 were pretty much just Hoffman vs his police buddies. 7 as well, but the final scene showed Dr Gordon (now evil)(and overweight) with two masked helpers.

The female apprentice Amanda died in 3, same moment as Jigsaw.

 

His wife also knew stuff later on but that didn't go far. 6 ends with her putting Hoffman in the Reverse beartrap, but he survives it with a ripped open cheek. Then 7 ends with Hoffman putting her in it, and she isn't that lucky.

post #15 of 43
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5 and 6 were pretty much just Hoffman vs his police buddies. 7 as well, but the final scene showed Dr Gordon (now evil) with two masked helpers.

 

Weren't some of the films actually happening concurrently?  Like, at the end of #6, you found out that it was all happening at the same time as #5, or some such nonsense?

post #16 of 43
No one tell him!
post #17 of 43

Here. This is should clear up any confusion regarding the timeline of the first 6 Saw movies. Very succinct and clearly presented:

 

post #18 of 43
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Weren't some of the films actually happening concurrently?  Like, at the end of #6, you found out that it was all happening at the same time as #5, or some such nonsense?


Sorry i just marathoned all of these, so it's still fresh. 3 and 4 happen at the same time, then 5, 6, and 7 are basically the next chapters (with a LOT of prequel flashbacks everywhere. For example 7 opens with the end of 1 and shows how the doctor helped hiding keys etc inside people).

post #19 of 43
How dare you...?!
post #20 of 43

I thought my infographic was pretty informative. It's clearer than the face of a 15 year-old high school student.

post #21 of 43
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What's really amusing is the way they add more and more reasons for Jigsaw to do all of this.

 

In 1 he says he is a cancer patient and wants people to appreciate their lives.

In 2 he says he tried to kill himself after his diagnosis and that made him come up with the tests.

In 4, we find out that his wife was pregnant and lost the child when a drug addict pancaked her.

And in 6, we see that an health insurance denied him a promising therapy, making him angry.

post #22 of 43
The thing I liked about seeing these movies annually was that I didn't remember the previous installments that well, so I felt just as confused as the detectives on the case!
post #23 of 43

So this franchise is now 13 years old. I remember as they were coming out, people were proclaiming them to be this generation's Friday the 13th series. 13 years into the Friday the 13th series, we were at Jason Goes to Hell which is fitting as it was an attempted reboot/sequel to the franchise after a few years since the last installment just like Jigsaw is to the Saw films.

 

My question is, for those that remember, with the same amount of time passed is Jigsaw as famous as Jason was in 1993? Has the franchise become that iconic '00s series as Friday the 13th was thought of as in '80s?

post #24 of 43
I'd say Saw, Jigsaw(Kramer) and that doll are at least in the ballpark of being as recognizable as Jason. Has to be. If not exact images then at LEAST the concept..
post #25 of 43
Billy is the doll's name.

@_@
post #26 of 43
Bradito knows the doll's name @_@
post #27 of 43
I did the Saw maze at Horror Nights this year, and they had a Billy animatronic riding his tricycle. It was awesome.
post #28 of 43

I watched this video of Tobin Bell going through the Saw maze. Interestingly, he jumps in a very particular way every time.

 

post #29 of 43
Just some old dude dabbing.
post #30 of 43
My reaction to this is pretty similar to ALIEN: COVENANT - thought it was okay when the credits rolled, but the more I talked with friends afterward, the more issues I have with it.

It's really different stylistically from the rest of the series while recycling plot and structure elements from SAW IV and V wholesale.
Edited by The Dark Shape - 10/26/17 at 12:34am
post #31 of 43

So could say this puzzle is....

 

 

....missing a few pieces?

 

post #32 of 43

But is it better than the Oceans 11 remake?

post #33 of 43
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Overall, I have the same opinion as Shape. It's pretty much harmless middle-of-the-road fare. Not really good, not really bad. If you like the series, the new traps and deadly choices are delightful. Clousers re-interpretation of his earlier score shines an interesting new light on it, and the two leads are passable. Still, It's not as good as 1, 2 or 6, so if you only liked those, or not even the first, this is not worth your time.

 

What doesn't work? The Spierig bros go for a new visual style with strong warm colors and no more quick MTV style cuts. In theory, this could be interesting, but they made a really flat looking movie. There's an opening chase sequence that looks like it's from a second rate TV series. Also, the barn most of it takes place in, looks rather fake, like a theme park barn area.


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The game you see is later revealed to be a long flashback, having taken place even before the events of the very first movie. In the present, there are three main suspects. A violent cop, a Jigsaw fan girl who is collecting and rebuilding his traps and an ex-soldier who is now doing autopsies. One of them has a connection to the first game of Jigsaw, and is putting new people in traps to continue his work. I won't say who it is, but it certainly doesn't make much sense (yet). The movie says that said person met Jigsaw before he even worked with Amanda and Hoffman, and gives no explanation why he or she didn't ever show up during the events of Saw 1-7 or why new games are starting now. Also, the outcome of the end of Saw 7 is not revealed. We don't get to know if Hoffman had died or what became of Dr Gordon and his two masked helpers. Will they ever address that or just didnt give a fuck?

 

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So the new guy wants to kill the cop because he was indirectly responsible for the death of his wife and a young girl. Does that mean he only puts all of those faceless people we never get to see in the remake traps to make the cop's death seem like it's part of Jigsaw's possible return? Then in the end he also seemed to imply that from now on he will continue doing games like that, becoming the next Jigsaw. But why? And what did he do all those years?
What did he do with Kramer's dead body?
And why exactly did Kramer help the guy when he nearly died in the first trap? Did he do a mistake himself, overdosing the guy? Turning him into an accoomplice... why?
What if the obnoxious guy hadn't stepped on the wire trap?
What if the folks in the silo had been killed by the falling stuff?


I know why they changed the title from Saw: Legacy to Jigsaw, but this movie is only barely about Jigsaw. Bell is in it for maybe 10 minutes, making this the HELLRAISER INFERNO of the Saw series.

I think one of the problems is that this was made by the directors of PREDESTINATION and DAYBREAKERS... without letting them write the script as well. Instead, the script is by the guys who made THE HUNGOVER GAMES, SORORITY ROW, and PIRANHA 3D, and it shows.


Edited by Flynn Keaton - 10/27/17 at 4:48am
post #34 of 43

PREDESTINATION. What an incredible movie.

post #35 of 43
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I know why they changed the title from Saw: Legacy to Jigsaw, but this movie is only barely about Jigsaw. Bell is in it for maybe 10 minutes, making this the HELLRAISER INFERNO of the Saw series.

But that's the best of the sequels between 4 and 100!

post #36 of 43

It feels really weird to have a Saw film that doesn't have that green yellow sickly color filter over everything. It helped make everything feel really dirty. This one is just kinda too clean looking.

 

The thing I appreciated most about the Saw movies was it's detail to continuity. Having grown up on Friday the 13th and stuff it was fun to see a series really stick to it's weird ass timeline. This just adds more unnecessary stuff to it.

 

So, yeah it's a sort of middle ground Saw sequel. Not as bad as 3D, but it doesn't reach the "What the fuck is this shit?" heights the series could get to.

 

Crowd seemed to be into it though, I bet we get more sequels.

post #37 of 43

So is this the Jason Goes to Hell of the Saw series?

post #38 of 43
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So is this the Jason Goes to Hell of the Saw series?
That's all I need to hear to never get within a mile of this movie. Thank you..
post #39 of 43
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So is this the Jason Goes to Hell of the Saw series?

No it's not. It's basically just another sequel.
post #40 of 43
With regard to the lack of green/yellow: Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
I chalked up the cleanliness and lack of overly elaborate traps and kills to be because this was half prequel.
post #41 of 43
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But that's the best of the sequels between 4 and 100!


He's in it more than he was in SAW 3D, for what it's worth.

post #42 of 43
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With regard to the lack of green/yellow: Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
I chalked up the cleanliness and lack of overly elaborate traps and kills to be because this was half prequel.

 

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Yeah, but you only learn that when you've seen most of the film. The series has sort of conditioned you to expect it by now, which creates a a dissonance.

 

 

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He's in it more than he was in SAW 3D, for what it's worth.

 

He's not wearing a hiphop disguise unfortunately. I was hoping they gimmick him up by giving him a ridiculous new outfit every time.

post #43 of 43

I thought this was one of the better entries of the series. The traps made some kind of sense (that there are ways around them).

 

The twist wasn't that effective though.

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