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post #1 of 111
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--Well, Simon was scarier in one line than Negan was all episode.  Par for the course.

 

--Have some fucking snipers ready for when Negan and his gang of imbeciles come waltzing out!  Also, Negan, you're an idiot.

 

--Not sure what was going on with the Rick flashforwards.  Admittedly, started to zone out.

 

--We've seen the "lure zombie horde to set a trap" already. 

 

I really need to see some sort of movement from the status quo before the mid-season break.  Or at least more exotic and gory zombie action.  Either/or. 

post #2 of 111

Rick not shooting Negan as soon as he walked right out the door was really stupid. 

Odd choice to use Weird Al's Another One Rides the Bus.

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--Not sure what was going on with the Rick flashforwards. 

Wonder if Lincoln ever had a moment of clarity about how transcendentally goofy he was looking with that beard.

Also I like to think that Negan casually mentioning a dick measuring contest to Rick was really a little tip of the hat to Xander Berkeley who was standing right next to him. I want that shriek XB makes when he gets shoved down the stairs as my ringtone.
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Rick not shooting Negan as soon as he walked right out the door was really stupid. 

 

 

The only thing stupider than not shooting Negan (or at least being ready to shoot Negan) the second he walked out the door was Negan actually walking out the door. 

post #5 of 111

I did love Rick's "You're really going to make me count?" callback.

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I did love Rick's "You're really going to make me count?" callback.


I mean, Lincoln is fucking amazing in this show.  Much of the cast is fucking amazing.

 

Gimple just needs to get the shit together in the writing room.

post #7 of 111

Really bizarrely dumb stuff (even more than usual) in the confrontation in this episode.  Already mentioned was the hesitation to shoot Negan.  The fucking guy is within shouting distance and just standing in the open,  and they showed how many lookouts getting sniped throughout this episode?  Also, everyone shooting out all the windows in the Sanctuary building... wtf was that about?

post #8 of 111

I read that that Sunday's premiere was one of the lowest rated premiers for this show ever. Does that mean that TWD-train will soon be leaving the station, i.e. any chance they're thinking about how to end this thing? 

post #9 of 111
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The lack of gun knowledge has always been really infuriating in this show, but this last episode (which was already dumb on so many levels) really takes the cake.  

 

--At the range that Negan and his gang were at (looked like maybe 30-40 yards), with that many semi automatic rifles pointed at them, they were dead fucking meat.  Nobody would have survived whether they got indoors or not (unless that wall was made of composite armor, rather than drywall and wood).  They managed to run in without  a scratch on them?  Bull.  Fucking.  Shit.  

 

--The silenced sniper rifles are irritatingly inaccurate..  Any supersonic round is going to be fucking LOUD, sound suppressor or no.  You can take a subsonic round (.300 blackout or a big magnum pistol caliber) and make it as quiet as depicted in the show, but if that's the case just how fucking close were those "snipers?"  They'd have to be on the roof across the street.  Why weren't they helping with the big shootout?

 

--The "armor" on the vehicles when Rick drove up would be laughably inadequate in a gun battle.  Corrugated metal and car parts?  Bullets are going to tear through that shit like swiss cheese.  About the only part of a car that offers meaningful protection from bullets is the engine block.  

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  Also, everyone shooting out all the windows in the Sanctuary building... wtf was that about?

 

 

In the comic, I believe it was meant to draw the walkers. This was made redundant on the show, though, since they had also set up explosives to draw them there.

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In the comic, I believe it was meant to draw the walkers. This was made redundant on the show, though, since they had also set up explosives to draw them there.

 

This reminds me, so let's say some of Negan's lieutenants take Rick's offer (they'd be more likely to do so with Negan dead).  Heck, let's say they gun Negan down and come to Rick with open arms.  That walker horde is already only a mile or so away.  That plan was set in motion and can't be undone.  Now what?  

post #12 of 111

That's a good point. I can only assume Rick was just toying with Negan. He seems more concerned with reclaiming his balls than actually killing Negan. I mean, he even takes a photo of Negan cowering in a corner before leaving the Sanctuary. 

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That's a good point. I can only assume Rick was just toying with Negan. He seems more concerned with reclaiming his balls than actually killing Negan. I mean, he even takes a photo of Negan cowering in a corner before leaving the Sanctuary. 



The showrunner has actually come out to explain the scene. His explanation is moronic.  

 

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/walking-dead-season-8-premiere-explained-time-jumps-decoded-1050955

 

"What shouldn't be glossed over is Rick is offering surrender to everyone else. He wants them to, more or less, be on his side after that. If he just shot Negan there, that would have been a shortcut to the war. He was making a play to not be in full violence with these people because you see what happens after that. The next step for everybody is pretty heavy and intense. If in fact Negan's other lieutenants had given up, it would have been over."

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Odd choice to use Weird Al's Another One Rides the Bus.

 

Weird Al agrees.

 

post #15 of 111

"You really think you have the numbers?" says Negan after he just retreated Alexandria and he shows up on a fire escape with like five guys.  Also, Daryl stopped the convoy when the car trips the IED and blocks the only road Negan's hide-out .... um, OK.

 

In defense of Rick offering surrender to the lieutenants - it was implied they would be offered a ride out / chance to switch sides if they gave up.

 

I kinda liked this episode though.  Daryl riding on the motorcycle blowing up markers was a very early-90s Brian Bosworth / Ken Wahl type move.

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In defense of Rick offering surrender to the lieutenants - it was implied they would be offered a ride out / chance to switch sides if they gave up.

 

That was 10000000000000000000000000x more likely to happen if Negan had been shot dead the instant he walks out the door.  

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Hey, I didn't write this fucking thing

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Hey, I didn't write this fucking thing

Bet you could have done better.
post #19 of 111
If you were one of the five people in the world who remembered Morales and wanted to see him back on the show, this must have been quite an episode.
post #20 of 111

Really, who the hell cares about Morales? 
 

Also, this episodes cemented Jesus as the worst written, badly miscast character on the show. Yeah, Negan's annoying, but he's not wishy washy. 

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If you were one of the five people in the world who remembered Morales and wanted to see him back on the show, this must have been quite an episode.

 

.... who?  Legitimately, who is that? 

 

To Google, I go.

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.... who?  Legitimately, who is that? 

To Google, I go.

I haven’t watched the show in some time but I heard about this. He was part of the original Atlanta group and he left with his family instead of going to the CDC with Rick’s group at the end of season 1.
post #23 of 111

That reveal seemed to not land at all for a lot of viewers.

post #24 of 111

If they wanted a dramatic reveal they should've gone Zombieland and have it be a random c-level celebrity playing themselves. 

 

Rick enters the room, someone pulls a gun on him. Rick stares, befuddled as he recognizes the person holding the gun.

 

Cut to post-apocalyptic Wayne Knight holding a shotgun.

 

"Hello Rick." 

 

"Hellooo Newman!"

 

*credits*


Edited by HypnoToad - 10/31/17 at 6:40am
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If they wanted a dramatic reveal they should've gone Zombieland and have it be a random c-level celebrity playing themselves. 

 

 

 

Well damn, apparently, that's just what happened in the comic book this week.  Its an unnamed athlete/actor, but the gist is the same.

 

https://www.bleedingcool.com/2017/11/01/beta-unmasked-todays-walking-dead-173-spoilers/

post #26 of 111

There was a reason that these type of cheap, poorly staged shoot outs only lasted a few minutes on The A-Team 30 years ago.

post #27 of 111

They really are staging some of the worst looking shootouts I've seen on screen.  Like, embarrassingly bad.

post #28 of 111
If they want to make the shootouts better they should put colore uniforms on the people shooting at each other, I don’t know who is who.

I kinda like the idea of bringing back a small unknown character from a previous season. It adds to the chaotic nature -Darwinist survival of the fittest-of the world they live in, that they would eventually run pinto each other at some point.
post #29 of 111

I hope we never go more than three episodes without Morgan getting in a fight about killing/not killing somebody. 

 

 

 

post #30 of 111
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Eh.  Certainly better than the first episode of this season.  Kind of felt like this should be the lead. 

 

The creators of this show have demonstrated time and time again that they have absolutely no sense of how gunfights between people armed with semi automatic/automatic rifles would play out.  Let's have them duck about 30 feet away from each other and hide behind planters!  *sigh*

 

At least we had that great Rick vs. Grace's Dad confrontation.  Plus, Morgan being all introspective, which is always riveting.  And the tiger.  Tiger makes up for a lot.  I would never be more than five feet from Ezekiel with that thing on the loose, as I'm not sure how a tiger can tell friend from foe.  

post #31 of 111

Jesus is such a dumb, weak character. Is the audience actually supposed to be siding with him? Nobody was on board with his incredibly dumb idea to bring to bring the Saviors back to the Hilltop, not even Maggie who he kept bringing up as a way of guilting these characters into going along with the plan. There's like 20 something Saviors they now have to feed, and guard. Why not just strip them of their weapons, and send them on their merry way if you don't want to kill them? 

 

Also, at this point Rick's side have killed at least 100 Saviors, if not more, right? Just how many Saviors are left?

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Jesus is such a dumb, weak character. Is the audience actually supposed to be siding with him? Nobody was on board with his incredibly dumb idea to bring to bring the Saviors back to the Hilltop, not even Maggie who he kept bringing up as a way of guilting these characters into going along with the plan. There's like 20 something Saviors they now have to feed, and guard. Why not just strip them of their weapons, and send them on their merry way if you don't want to kill them? 

 

 

By season 8, anyone who has watched the show from the beginning has learned 100x over the lesson of "you can only be sure if they're dead."  Ain't nobody agrees with Jesus.  

post #33 of 111

Good thing that Daryl had cover in that doorway - dryawll can easily stop a 39mm round fired from 20-30 feet.

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Good thing that Daryl had cover in that doorway - dryawll can easily stop a 39mm round fired from 20-30 feet.

 

Oh god.  Don't forget the "magic bullet stopping eighth of an inch thick corrugated roofing material" that has shown up in the first two episodes thus far.

post #35 of 111
Gregory getting back into the Hilltop and almost immediately trying to reassert his authority was gold. I'm pretty sure that they've kept the character alive for so long because Xander Berkeley plays him so well.

"I DID NOT EAT THOSE PANCAKES."
post #36 of 111
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Xander learned everything he knows about being a double-crossing slimeball from his wife, Nina.  Jack gave her better than she deserved.

post #37 of 111

Gotta love:

 

-That ridiculous scene with the zombies rolling downhill to attack.

-Morgan chasing and not being able to shoot that group of saviors that was tied together with his rifle, after killing that building full of them with terminator precision while wielding pistols in the prior episode.

-That horde of zombies wandering AWAY from the noise and gunfire and living humans.

-More ridiculous and badly staged shootouts.  Gotta love when the heroes get surrounded by the saviors who were then surrounded and then shot the fuck up.  Friendly fire doesn't exist in this show.

-Sniveling Xander Berlkey is the best character right now.

post #38 of 111
Finally caught up on the first 3 episodes of the season. They have been sitting on my DVR since the premiere. Got home early from work and figured what the hell, I should get caught up.

Boy...this show is getting unwatchable. The first episode was at least interesting with the stand off. The last 2 episodes though? Holy shit. About as interesting as the boring grey and rust colors used on everything from clothing to buildings.

It’s been shootout after shootout after shootout. Just people shooting at other people and taking cover and running and then shooting and then running and then taking cover and then shooting. It’s fucking boring.

At least this show used to do tension well. Now it’s just shootout, boring conversation I’ve heard a thousand times, another shootout, search this building, shootout, boring conversation etc. etc.

I literally fast forwarded through about 40% of the last 2 episodes and didn’t miss a thing. That’s not a good sign.
post #39 of 111
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I quit Fear the Walking Dead halfway through Season 2.  It's difficult, but I have it within me to not watch a zombie apocalypse show.

 

Thin.  Ice.  

post #40 of 111
The only difference between this show and Fear TWD is that as bad as both shows are on most levels, at least here on TWD you know that sometimes the zombie scenes will be cool/interesting.
post #41 of 111
My folks liked the last season of FTWD. If it's going where I think it might, I expect Dickins and her daughter to cross over before too long.
post #42 of 111
I know it's stupid to hang out in a thread for a show that I'm never gonna watch (EIGHT seasons of zombie shit? No spank you) but I find all the things being said about it fascinating and hilarious..
post #43 of 111

Pound for pound, FTWD's last season was better than what we've seen so far of this season's TWD.  Adamclane99 described the first 3 episodes perfectly.  Boring extremely unrealistic shootouts with unlimited ammo and dumb conversations and conflicts about killing vs. not killing bad guys that we've heard over and over for eight(!) years.  At least the A-Team's shootouts had awesome music and random stuff  blowing up and vehicles ramping off shit and flipping through the air.

post #44 of 111
I gave up on Fear TWD after two seasons. I like Cliff Curtis and they actually gave him some meaty dramatic scenes in S2, but really the story wasn't keeping me interested at all. And Nick is just so annoying. Whenever I see him I can't help thinking Stannis torched the wrong kid.
post #45 of 111

I quit on FTWD after S1, even though it does have Kim Dickens. The thing that intrigued me about the show is that it looked like this was going to an origins story of sorts that showed how the Zombie Apocalypse began. Alas, it was not. 

 

I'm hanging on by a thread with TWD, it's supremely stupid. I guess because its one of the few shows my wife and I watch together, I'll stick with it for now. But it definitely needs to end soon, Which begs the question: if so many seem to agree this show is dumb as a barrel of screws, why is it still going? Ratings? I hear they're slipping.    

post #46 of 111

This seems like a post I would have made, i've been saying the same about FTWD and the nonsense of the regular version.

Although I would have added that its a stupid zombie show and not a piece of art, like the Talking Dead likes to talk about every 30 seconds.

post #47 of 111

Is anybody still watching this?

post #48 of 111
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In regards to Season 8, Season 4.

 

I didn't know this show still had this in it.  It's ranged from middling to awful from the premiere of Season 7 (which I thought was brilliant) until last week.  Whoever Dan Liu is, I hope he directed more episodes this season.  Bring him back as much as possible.  Holy shit.  Gut punch after gut punch, and he actually knows how to pace a scene ... and how to fucking use zombies as a situational menace.

 

Sheesh.  This came out of nowhere.

 

**Looks like Dan Liu cut his teeth as an editor on the show.

post #49 of 111

I just feel exhausted by this show.

 

The episodes are extremely forgettable. They all look pretty much the same, and the zombies are just not that interesting anymore. Yeah, they try to mix them up a bit, like in this last episode, show us toxic waste zombies ... but so what? They're still mindless, slow walking drones.

 

The human conflict is nonsensical, boring forgettable gunfight after another one. Why are these people even warring with each other? I feel like I've lost the point of the show ...

post #50 of 111

Seems like standard operating procedure for this show to be sporadically interesting but mostly awful. That's been the case from the start.

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