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post #1 of 802
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I have a friend who takes his Thor very, very seriously. I think he will hate this.


It's sort of a film of two halves. The first is the film as advertised and it's by far the funniest film Marvel has made. Just gag after gag after gag, it's brilliant. But at about the halfway point it's almost like there's an obligation to stop messing around and get to business and the tonal shift is a little jarring. In the third act it becomes another Thor film, by far the best Thor film, but pretty much business as usual (under written villain, lots of faceless goons, Asgard in peril).

That's the only gripe. Generally the film is brilliant and if you like Taika's previous work you won't be disappointed. In fact, if not for Goldblum, Taika's Korg would have stolen the show... I'm not even sure that he didn't.
post #2 of 802

Would be seeing this in a couple of hours if I wasn't working the night shift tonight.  Fuckin' humbug.  As it stands, tickets for tomorrow evening have been acquired.  Can't wait!

post #3 of 802
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I'm keen to get everyone's take.

 

It's a fine time at the movies but it's overlong and doesn't quite come together at the end. It feels like the Hela story was carried over from an earlier draft and everyone was far more jazzed about the Skaar stuff (which is excellent). The two stories don't quite gel together so the climax feels a bit shaggy. It only sticks out in my memory because the first half is so strong. With that said Blanchett succeeds where Eccleston failed, she makes Hela far more interesting than what's on paper.

 

It must be said again though, Goldblum absolutely kills it in this. Every glance, every word out of his mouth destroyed me.

post #4 of 802
It’s a blast of fun at the movies. Best Thor film by far.
Yes, there is a bit of dissonance between the fun and the grim halves, but the good far exceeds the bad here.
Everyone is great, but Goldblum is on fire and Blanchett is clearly loving playing villainess.
That shot (you know the one) in Valkyrie’s flashback scene is going to be requested at a lot of auto paint shops.
Some characters could had use a bit more screen time, IMO.
It’s a post GOTG Marvel Film, with all that entails, so it’s not gonna convert any haters or skeptics, but screw em; it’s fun, it’s entertsining and it has heart and soul behind its visual spectacle.
And fuck it if seeing a “Thank You” to Walt Simonson (and an homage to one of his most iconic Thir moments) on the credits of the film didn’t put a huge grin on my face.
The soundtrack is aces.


Loved it.
post #5 of 802
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That shot (you know the one) in Valkyrie’s flashback scene is going to be requested at a lot of auto paint shops.

 

That sequence could have been two hours long as far as I'm concerned, it was gorgeous. I'm disappointed they showed so much of it in the trailers.

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That sequence could have been two hours long as far as I'm concerned, it was gorgeous. I'm disappointed they showed so much of it in the trailers.

I loved it, but I think it would had felt overblown if it was longer or given more time; its a glimpse at an ancient, epic past, so it works being just a glmpse.

One part I was amazed I loved so much was the Dr Strange cameo; it truly felt like a comic book tie in/crossover moment.

Another sequence I fucking loved: The Willy Wonka homage, complete with music cues. Cracked up so much with it.

Skurge could had used a bit more time, just to establish his inferiority/worthlesness complex, and because more Karl Urban is always welcomed.

I kinda hated the role of The Warriors Three here; Sif being MIA also was a sore spot (it seems her MCU status is that she was exiled by Loki/Odin because she was suspicious of him)

post #7 of 802
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The Strange scene was terrific. I agree, it felt really casual and organic. People give the MCU grief but stuff like that is borderline miraculous.

 

I'll spoiler tag this:

 

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The Warriors Three were killed off so unceremoniously that I was convinced they were going to be brought back to life by the end. Such a weird decision.
post #8 of 802

It's pretty damned great with a lots of energy. Creative and innovative in perspective and approach. It was just pulsing throughout. Reminded me so much of Flash Gordon.

 

It just revels in the fun. Loved it. The music was a character in and of itself and the movie wields it deftly.

 

However, one quibble I have -  in its enthusiastic pursuit of fun, it may have shortchanged Thor and scenes that needed gravity just didn't have quite the heft it needed - making the stakes seem lower. Without going into spoilers, because the film doesn't address certain issues, it unwittingly makes Thor an unsympathetic low-key asshole. An act of omission that just really bugs me. It shouldn't but it does because everything else was so well done that it makes this all the more glaring. At least to me.

 

Other than that, simply a great time at the theaters. At least more than once.

post #9 of 802

Rambling stream of consciousness inbound!

As the first straight-up Marvel comedy, I had a blast.  And it's funny to me that for as much talk as there was about "re-inventing" Thor and starting fresh, this film contained some of the most Thor moments and scenes that I recall from the comics displayed onscreen to date (the spinning hammer being used as a weapon and shield right off the bat being one, the costume change from tapping the umbrella instead of a cane, etc).  Based on a lot of these moments, this felt more like the Thor I remember than anything before it.

The Doctor Strange moment was excellent in showing just how far he's come in the interim and didn't overstay it's welcome. 

Korg was just great ("Piss off, Ghost!")

A few of the Hulk CGI moments were "Holy crap, that's not good!" when he's just chilling, but amazing where they needed to be. 

Blanchett was fine as fuck.

Cameos during the play had my audience in stitches, as did "Oh my God, the hammer pulled you off?!"

Marked out like a lunatic for Immigrant Song kicking off at the end.

There's more, but I'm a tad distracted trying to save some baby chicks just shy of hatching cos their dumb-ass mum has abandoned the eggs at the eleventh hour . . . will report back later.  On the film, that is.  Not necessarily the eggs.

post #10 of 802
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"Piss off ghost!" was the biggest laugh I've had in the cinema in I don't know how long. I missed half of the following scene.
post #11 of 802
I had such a fun time with this. A lot funnier than I thought it was going to be, with some real belly laughs. Goldblum was brilliant. Odd pacing, effectively the whole movie is a side-quest on planet hulk until they can finally get back to business. And for all that humour, it seemed to make the finale much more shocking.

Apparently most of the dialogue was improvised, and it shows. Thor especially comes across almost as a different character. Probably for the best. Certainly feels like an ending for the Thor films.

Spoiler for the end I guess, does anyone know what that giant ship thing was in the first post credits sequence?
post #12 of 802
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I presume...

 

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It's Thanos or one of his henchmen.

post #13 of 802

I had a grand old time here. Ball busting-ly funny and the dramatic moments really landed for me. I didn't really feel the tonal shift all that much and pretty much just rolled with it. This movie had me in its pocket from the get-go. Especially that first scene with Skurge.

 

-walks into frame- "My stuff"

 

This is probably the most I've liked Loki in any of these movies. His "YES! THAT'S WHAT IT FEELS LIKE!" moment utterly destroyed me. And the emotional payoff at the end was plenty sweet as well. Tessa Thompson as Valkyrie was AWESOME and yeah I found it plenty strange how Sif is completely wiped from existence (and the Warriors Three get wiped off the board with nary a tear) but I like the hot, drunken mess that is Valkyrie so much more so I'm good with it. 

 

I love Hulk. I think he's a great character in his many facets. Be they the complicated examination of Banner's psyche as some writers play it. Or the lovable green oaf as portrayed by others and specifically here. And boy oh boy did I love everything with him here.  They've really excelled at making the character work on screen, especially with the amount of screen time here. I like it a lot when Hulk's a bit of a wild card that might be a boon or a detriment to any situation at a given moment. And they play with that a bit here which I hugely appreciated. Wish we could have gotten more with Banner and his worries about not changing back. I really think there was enough there to support a full on PLANET HULK movie but alas. At least what we get REALLY works. 

 

And THAT moment...fuck I haven't laughed that hard in ages. 

 

Most complaints I have are about how a lot of moments happen "Because Movie". Like, ok, Heimdall is able to see all over the universe but misses the GIANT FUCKING WOLF and skeleton soldiers at the end of the bridge? Just small stuff like that. 

 

But the way Taika's sensibilities shine through here. And to Marvel's credit, they REALLY let him do his thing (This is probably the sweariest Marvel movie yet and I LOVE it) and that really carries this through any missteps. Also, this was really fucking gorgeous to see. Not just the Valkyrie flashback stuff but a ton of shots on Sakaar and during the climax were all Van Art worthy. And I mean that with the highest of praise. 

 

And Peak Goldblum is always welcome. 

 

Overall, this MIGHT just end up one of my favourite Marvel flicks. Fuck I love Taika and he brings it in spades here. 

post #14 of 802

So...

 

who is the greatest character in the MCU? And why is it Meek? 

post #15 of 802
Loved it.

The fact that Taika was proper kiwi and calling everyone "bro" slayed me.

So much fun.
post #16 of 802
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I keep thinking about the ball bit and the "splat" on the bridge bit and laughing my ass off. Great stuff.
post #17 of 802

For me it's:

 

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 "One time, he turned himself into a snake. Well he knows I love snakes, so I went to pick it up. Then he turned into himself again and was all like "Ahhh", and then he stabbed me. We were 8 at the time."

 

That and 'Get Help'. 

post #18 of 802
"Tony wears his pants REALLY tight"

"I feel like I know you", "I KNOW"..

Everyone was so good.

Hopkins "oh shit" right at the beginning was pitch perfect in delivery too.

Too many great moments in this film. Need to see it again.
post #19 of 802
"Yeah nah, this whole thing is a circle. But it's more like a freaky circle . . ."

"Oh yeah. Doug died."
post #20 of 802

How was the production design/art direction? Same core team is doing Mortal Engines.

post #21 of 802

Pretty great to be honest. Sakaar especially looks fantastic and like truly out there sci-fi while still managing to feel lived in. 

post #22 of 802

Cool, thanks!

post #23 of 802

Liked it quite a bit.

For a film where ...

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... Asgard is destroyed, our hero loses an eye, his best 3 (4?) friends are murdered and his father dies ...

... it's pretty breezy and light.

 

The Loki/Thor dynamic still works gangbusters. I like that it feels they are both learning and coming to terms with each others nature.

 

I'll miss Mjolnir, but that first fight was incredible. In fact all the action scenes were well choreographed IMO. Heimdall is the master of cutting through multiple things at once.

 

As someone who mounted a passionate defense of The Dark World over in its thread, this had enough of the old Asgard to feel like it's a continuation of that series.

 

Skurge, the Grandmaster and Valkyrie were all great. I felt like Banner/Hulk needed a final scene; last I recall he was on the bridge acting out the end of Empire Strikes Back.

The NZ/Aussie nature of the humour was fun. "Tell her she's dreaming" lol

 

All in all, another win for the Marvel U. But I do have this nagging feeling that it's all just meaningless fluff.

post #24 of 802

It IS meaningless fluff. But enjoyable meaningless fluff.

post #25 of 802
So for those who have seen it, what's the deal with there being two versions of the scene where Hela catches Mjolnir scattered across the various trailers? Did they abandon one version of the scene in reshoots?
post #26 of 802
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It IS meaningless fluff. But enjoyable meaningless fluff.

It is... but these aren't straight out comedies. They're partially 'Action/Adventure' and that doesn't work so well when the dramatic stakes aren't really there. I did have some hope the 'Loki has secretly become King' would turn into something interesting. And don't get me wrong, I loved that scene with Sam Neil, but concerns about Asgard having a sensible ruler is immediately dropped in favor of Crazy Sword Lady will murder everyone.

post #27 of 802

The version we saw in Teaser Trailer has Hela catching Mjolnr in a Parking lot type location. The movie has it in an open field.

 

Also the Teaser has Mjolnr destroyed with a blast. The movie (I think) has Hela just crushing it and dropping the pieces on the ground.

post #28 of 802
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So for those who have seen it, what's the deal with there being two versions of the scene where Hela catches Mjolnir scattered across the various trailers? Did they abandon one version of the scene in reshoots?

Here's the spoilery version...

 

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I have no idea what the original plan was with the alley confrontation. In the final film Loki and Thor travel to Norway where Odin is. Odin does a 'Master Oogway' and then immediately after Hela turns up and has a confrontation with the brothers, involving the Mjolnir scene.
post #29 of 802

Also... there are a number of significant differences between shots in the trailer and final film.

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The version we saw in Teaser Trailer has Hela catching Mjolnr in a Parking lot type location. The movie has it in an open field.

Also the Teaser has Mjolnr destroyed with a blast. The movie (I think) has Hela just crushing it and dropping the pieces on the ground.

Taika said it was just too convenient in the shooting script that Strange helps Thor find Odin and in the entire world he was just around the corner in a NY alley. Was a nice touch to have them go back to the land of their adopted mythology among humans.
post #31 of 802
I think it would also have been an undercutting too much.

"Look at this, its beautiful" while pointing to a shitty alley would have been kind of funny, but really tonally jarring and suggestive that Odin had dementia, rather than being fully cogniscant of what was going on.

Did they reshoot that or just cg the shit out of it?
post #32 of 802
https://www.bleedingcool.com/2017/10/27/thor-ragnarok-taika-waititi-hela-changed/

As an aside I loved the swirly black Kirby blobs when Hela appeared.
post #33 of 802
My money is on "CG the shit".

It was ok. The Norway aspect reminded me of American Gods.

My main problem with that scene was that Odin was so pissed off with Thor in the first movie for not being a good enough leader and in this film he's like "Oh, yeah, I had another daughter and she'll probably kill you all... cyas!"
post #34 of 802
Did a bit of research, was a reshoot in a field in Atlanta.

Who knew Atlanta looked like Norway?
post #35 of 802

Wasn't a huge fan of this, and it took me a rewatch of The Dark World to fully understand the main reason why: Marvel have gone from one extreme to the other between sequels. Whereas The Dark World took itself much too seriously (there's actually very little comedy in that movie), and Thor is a largely stoic and serious figure, Ragnarok doesn't take anything seriously and Thor is a completely different person in this. The few funny moments in The Dark World come from putting Thor in everyday situations  and finding the juxtaposition amusing (such as having to hang up his hammer or taking a train in his armor). In Ragnarok, Thor is a screaming ninny who will end an epic speech by doing something stupid to make the audience laugh. Waititi obviously finds Thor to be a source of amusement and wants you laugh to at him. And I guess that leads me to the second problem I had with this movie. 

 

A few years ago, one of my Kiwi friends recommended Eagle vs Shark and I watched it with my three housemates at the time. After about 40 silent minutes, one of my flatmates asked if we could watch something else and everyone agreed. I can only assume that Waititi and I simply don't find the same things funny because I relived this precise experience yesterday. As I sat watching the Thor sketch show play out relentlessly, painfully aware that my half-full theater was deathly silent, it helped illustrate all of this movie's flaws. Where were the stakes? Would parodying a scene from Willy Wonka & The Chocolate Factory be any less funny if it were in The Big Bang Theory? Is there going to be a scene where Thor slips over a banana skin?

 

This isn't to say that the movie was a complete disaster for me. It's probably the best Hulk movie we've gotten (and Bruce Banner literally dies at the end so that The Hulk can be born - SYMBOLISM, guys!!!!), and the movie picks up immensely when it becomes a real Thor movie in the final act but, by that point, you've had to get through The Incompetent Teleporter Guy Sketch (Starring everyone's favorite, Karl Urban!), The Matt Damon Sketch, The Doctor Strange Sketch etc, and it's exhausting if you're not really finding any of this to be all that amusing. Oh, and Cate Blanchett is pretty great, even if she's a bit underserved by the movie. Still, I hope they bring her back for more MCU entries. She really rocks that outfit. 

post #36 of 802
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Have to agree, although I enjoyed it more than you.

I didn't have a problem with the amount of humour, but when it came at the expense of the drama (particularly at the end) it hurt the film. Triggering you know what should have been a last desperate attempt to stop Hela but it just sort of happens. Blanchet is game but Hela never feels that dangerous, that she sits on the sidelines for most of the film throwing out the quips doesn't help.
post #37 of 802

That's a shame. 

 

I can understand that if the humour really doesn't work for you this could feel like a massive slog. But I liked it. I like Taika and his sensibilities so it worked like gangbusters for me. 

 

I also really like Thor as a laidback goofball. It really plays to Hemsworth's strengths more than anything. When he's allowed to be funny he's great. But in his more serious roles he's...not the best! 

 

And I never really felt like the comedy undercut the drama here, as opposed to Guardians of the Galaxy 2 which felt much more forced in that aspect except the ending. But the big dramatic moments here felt like they were given the appropriate breathing room. Even Skurge, who's introduced as incompetent comic relief, gets a great, sympathetic and badass redemption by the end. 

post #38 of 802
I don't necessarily think the goofball stuff is the right way to go with Thor. But also I thought they just managed to keep things from spiralling into absolute silliness.

Like, there's the bit with the ball hitting his head, but then he jumps through the window and gets to the ground like a badass. Or the bit with chain slowly spinning around with Surtur, but the ensuing fight was excellent.

Despite the slapstick, he still did feel like the Warrior Prince who was trying his hardest to get back to his people and save them.
post #39 of 802

Agreed - the stakes of this film were pretty enormous, and considering what's lost by the end, the implications of all that is going to have a big impact on the MCU.  Despite this it's a breezy and fun film packed with jokes and slapstick.  Even when Thor's trying to be angry or frustrated the film isn't with him, and a lot of the time he just seems to be bumbling along.  It's an interesting reversal from the last film all right. 

post #40 of 802

Hemsworth does a perfectly good job when he's called upon to portray the more serious and noble side of Thor. I thought the first film struck a really satisfying balance between poking some fun at the character's pompousness without undercutting the larger-than-life, Shakespearian drama. The Dark World took things too far in a certain direction, and it sounds like this film over-corrected by turning Thor into a Guardians of the Galaxy laugh-fest, with much of the humor coming from dumbing down the character beyond recognition. I hope I'm wrong about that, but I've been concerned by the marketing that's made this look like a Thor film awkwardly shoved into the post-Guardians template.


Edited by Draco Senior - 10/29/17 at 3:03pm
post #41 of 802

It's kind of amazing that there are no fart jokes in this, to be honest.

post #42 of 802
Whats the matter with fart jokes?

Fucking humourless poms ;p

One of my favourite things at the moment is Swear Treks current mission to gif Spocks Brain, but changing the word brain to dick.

I have simple humour needs these days.
post #43 of 802
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It's kind of amazing that there are no fart jokes in this, to be honest.

 

I get you not digging the feel but come on, mate - give Taika a little more credit than that.

post #44 of 802
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Whats the matter with fart jokes?

Fucking humourless poms ;p

One of my favourite things at the moment is Swear Treks current mission to gif Spocks Brain, but changing the word brain to dick.

I have simple humour needs these days.

This has been amazing.

"Dick, dick, and dick! What is dick?"
post #45 of 802
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I get you not digging the feel but come on, mate - give Taika a little more credit than that.

 

Isn't this the same movie which cuts back to two aliens sitting in a prison cell so one can make a gag about what the other one is excreting, though? I wouldn't say Waititi is above that kind of humor at all, especially in a movie where that same character jokes about how Thor's weapon might have wanked him off. 

post #46 of 802
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Isn't this the same movie which cuts back to two aliens sitting in a prison cell so one can make a gag about what the other one is excreting, though? I wouldn't say Waititi is above that kind of humor at all, especially in a movie where that same character jokes about how Thor's weapon might have wanked him off. 

I put to you, sir, that if the "A hammer pulled you off?!" line didn't make you at least smile, then we should abandon all civil debate posthaste.

post #47 of 802
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The Dark World took things too far in a certain direction, and it sounds like this film over-corrected by turning Thor into a Guardians of the Galaxy laugh-fest, with much of the humor coming from dumbing down the character beyond recognition. I hope I'm wrong about that, but I've been concerned by the marketing that's made this look like a Thor film awkwardly shoved into the post-Guardians template.

 

Yeah, pretty much.  Maybe this film is too much of a reaction to Dark World being seen as boring and pompous, especially when the Guardians crew showed how free-wheeling space in the Marvel Universe apparently is.  It's a lot funnier than either Guardians film, and it seems it ultimately removes Asgard neatly out of the way for what I presume will be a confrontation between Earth and Thanos.

post #48 of 802
I fell asleep both times trying to watch the first two Thor movies.

By contrast, Thor: Ragnarok is the best Marvel movie by miles.

Loved it. The whole theatre was in stitches.
post #49 of 802

It'll be a shame if Nick Fury doesn't turn up in the next Avengers movie now that..

 

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..he and Thor can bond over their eyepatches. 

post #50 of 802

I LOOOOOOOOOOVE that they decided to go there.

 

Thor's new look is sick. 

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