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post #101 of 802
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I read this as

POINT BREAK UP MODE

Damn you, Stark!
post #102 of 802
Odds on Loki going out in Infinity War?
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He and Thor are too chummy now, and Loki's bringing the Tessaract right to his former boss, Thanos. He's either got one last betrayal in him or an act of heroism. Either way, I think it's his end.

Anyway, I really liked this. We'll see how the tone and the missed sense of gravity when it was needed hold up over time, but it was very enjoyable.

Odin dying felt inconsequential and I was more concerned with Hopkins' weird CGI eye patch than the death of an important character. It also didn't quite matter that Asgard is destroyed, two more members of Thor's family are dead, the Warriors Three are dead, a huge amount of Asgard's population is dead, Mjolnir is gone and Thor lost an eye.

For Thor really being put through the wringer and losing so much, there wasn't much emotion. He lost more in one film than any other Marvel character has over the last decade.

But it was a good movie. Delightfully weird, and loads of fun. And I'm not worried about Banner; I think seeing Natasha in person again will have the same effect as seeing her via the recording on the quinjet. This film did quickly raise a lot of questions regarding the Hulk persona, though.
post #103 of 802

 My thoughts on Loki in Infinity War

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He stole the Terreserat and will use it against Thanos, but die in the final battle; thus completing his arc from villain to tragic hero.
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I hope Korg is in the next Avengers movie.
post #104 of 802

Really really liked this, but Imma gonna be an outlier: I still think the first Thor movie was best. 

 

But see this in the theater if at all possible; the image of the Valkyrie attack alone is worth paying to see on a big screen. 

 

In the comics Grandmaster and Collector are two Elders of the Universe and are immortal and almost omnipowerful....in these movies they seem to be "just guys". Wonder if we'll see them show any super powers or will they just be wasted for name recognition by the comic fans?

post #105 of 802
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Odds on Loki going out in Infinity War?
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He and Thor are too chummy now, and Loki's bringing the Tessaract right to his former boss, Thanos. He's either got one last betrayal in him or an act of heroism. Either way, I think it's his end.

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 My thoughts on Loki in Infinity War Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
He stole the Terreserat and will use it against Thanos, but die in the final battle; thus completing his arc from villain to tragic hero.


My read on the reconciliation scene between Thor and Loki, before Thor decides to set course for Earth, was that it felt genuine. Thor's sermon while he had Loki tased on the Grandmaster's hangar floor, about how Loki could have been more, might have sunk in. Whether Thanos' ship is tracking the Tesseract or Loki signaled Thanos in order to get out of going back to Earth, I won't be surprised if Loki tries to cut a deal and offers the Tesseract in exchange for the safety of the Asgardian refugees, only for Thanos to screw him on the deal and open fire on the refugee ship. Thanos would do it just to prove that he doesn't bargain with others as if they were his equal. He takes.
post #106 of 802

Just saw it a 2nd time, this time in 3D. Loved it again. Going to make it 3 times on Sunday with my wife--she ended up having to go out of town for work after we bought tickets originally for Thursday night.

post #107 of 802
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Really really liked this, but Imma gonna be an outlier: I still think the first Thor movie was best. 

But see this in the theater if at all possible; the image of the Valkyrie attack alone is worth paying to see on a big screen. 

In the comics Grandmaster and Collector are two Elders of the Universe and are immortal and almost omnipowerful....in these movies they seem to be "just guys". Wonder if we'll see them show any super powers or will they just be wasted for name recognition by the comic fans?

Well Goldblum does that very Goldblumy "anywhere else I'd be millions of years old. But here on Sakaar....."

I hope we get to see Goldblum and Del Toro together at some point though
post #108 of 802

Goldblum's bafflement when his assistant tried to hand him the melting stick made me roar with laughter.

 

"Interrupting's not a capital offense..."

 

It's so easy to see a version of this film where the Grandmaster is a very stock character, but Goldblum going full Goldblum made him a highlight.

post #109 of 802

I want to see Grandmaster get his own Joi. Imagine the massive hologram hijinks. Fuck it, I want whatever Marvel is planning after 2019 to include a Grandmaster spinoff movie.

 

It's funny, I read that Kevin Feige had wanted Goldblum for the first Captain America, but he turned it down, and still really wanted to get him into a Marvel production. I don't think it's too early to call Grandmaster the most iconic character he's played since Ian Malcolm.

 

The more I've thought about this, the more I enjoy it, and my initial reaction was strong. I'd put it right behind Iron Man ThreeWinter Soldier, and Iron Man as the best thing Marvel's ever done.

post #110 of 802
Thread Starter 
I must know who Feige wanted Goldblum to play in Captain America.

I hope it was Bucky.
post #111 of 802
if goldblum had been Bucky, we would've actually cared about Bucky
post #112 of 802

Yeah, I wasn't all that thrilled with this, I'm sorry to say. I still think the first film is superior because Branagh was able to balance the humor with genuine heart and emotional heft. Everything feels weightless in this, even scenes that are supposed to register as more emotional and significant in their impact on the larger universe. It's not that the comedic bits aren't good, but they rarely feel like they're based on character or the situation, and Thor is turned into an almost complete buffoon for the sake of the humor.

 

On the other hand, Loki's good and Blanchett is in fine form as Hela! I'll watch this again in the future, but I consider it a mild disappointment.

post #113 of 802
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I must know who Feige wanted Goldblum to play in Captain America.

I hope it was Bucky.
I believe I read that they wanted him for the senator that was running the USO tour.
post #114 of 802
I haven't read this whole thread yet, I enjoyed this.
- It was funny, but I don't think it was anywhere near as funny as I expected. I really didn't think it was much funnier than the usual Iron Man or Avengers movies.
- The music track in my theater was sooo quiet. Anyone else have that problem?
- The cg overload was definitely a ding against it. The first half of the movie felt very noticeably fake -- through a combo of rough check, rough green screen and fake sets. It got a bit better later on, but this was one of the most green screened movies I've seen.

Anyway, I had fun. I did laugh. It had some gorgeous shots.
post #115 of 802
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Just saw it a 2nd time, this time in 3D. Loved it again. Going to make it 3 times on Sunday with my wife--she ended up having to go out of town for work after we bought tickets originally for Thursday night.

 

Is it worth it to see it in 3D? That first Thor movie had some awesome 3D shots (esp when Thor flies right at the screen over the rainbow bridge) but in general 3d has underwhelmed me. 

post #116 of 802
On the topic of CGI, what bothered me most - like I mentioned in my earlier post - was the frequent needless use of it.

I've grown accustomed to green screen environments. My brain immediately knows they're fake anyway so unless they're done horribly (like The Walking Dead), I gloss over the fact.

But weird choices like Odin's super fake CGI eye patch. Which was just a simple eye patch, since he was on Earth. Maybe Hopkins just flat out refused to wear one, I don't know. But he wasn't in the film much so spending that extra money seemed weird and it pulled me out of those scenes.

Also, Thor's shocky thing being CGI as well. They couldn't just glue the button to his neck? There's several scenes where attention is called to the shocker and you can see it sort of hovering around his neck instead of looking attached.

But these are minor irritations in a film I otherwise thought was gorgeous and well made.
post #117 of 802
My IMAX showing was in 2D, but I'm thinking about seeing it again in 3D IMAX.

It feels like a movie that would look great in 3D (as long as the conversion is done well)
post #118 of 802
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My IMAX showing was in 2D, but I'm thinking about seeing it again in 3D IMAX.

It feels like a movie that would look great in 3D (as long as the conversion is done well)

I already mentioned that i was annoyed that my cinema only has 1 2D showing a day for blockbusters. And yes there's a lot fake looking CGI in this Thor movie but there's also that gorgeous paintinglike Hela vs the Valkyries sequence that made the 3D experience very much worth while.

My cinema while open for public is under construction. In a month or so it will get a 4DX and a Dolby cinema theatre. I can't wait to try them out.
post #119 of 802
This is ammo for the "MCU humor undercuts all stakes" crowd that I nonetheless get a kick out of: how "Ragnarok" isn't content just to make jokes at its own expense but even takes the piss out of some dramatic moments from previous movies.

There's the "Tragedy of Loki" play, but we already know that scene in "The Dark World" was for show because Loki didn't die. The topper here, though, is that the play uses the choral music from Frigga's funeral-- taking the most (and maybe only for people who don't like TDW) affecting moment of the last movie and making it part of the gag.

And one of my biggest laughs of the whole movie is when Thor tries to pull that "Sun's getting real low" routine with the Hulk in the arena. They almost hammer it to death in later scenes with Banner, but the ill-conceived but oh-so-Whedon-y byplay between Hulk/Banner and the Widow can't be made fun of enough, if you ask me.

I get that some people don't like that "Ragnarok" goes so far in this direction. And I don't think every MCU picture should be this jokey. But 17 movies in I think letting the air out every once in a while is one of the things keeping this whole series from becoming a slog... It's the same as how the call-backs and interconnectivity of the MCU have become half the fun for me. I don't think all genre pictures should be like the MCU, and frankly wish other studios would quit trying to build mega-franchises, but I'm glad that Marvel are filling that niche.
post #120 of 802

I saw it in 3D and there wasn't a single shot or moment where I felt the 3D added anything.

post #121 of 802
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I saw it in 3D and there wasn't a single shot or moment where I felt the 3D added anything.

post #122 of 802
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But weird choices like Odin's super fake CGI eye patch. Which was just a simple eye patch, since he was on Earth. Maybe Hopkins just flat out refused to wear one, I don't know. But he wasn't in the film much so spending that extra money seemed weird and it pulled me out of those scenes.

 

Well those scenes were re-shoots (Odin was originally wandering around NYC, not hanging out in Norway).  I wonder if Hopkins' schedule didn't allow a lot of time for make-up and they just decided to shoot and add the patch in later.

post #123 of 802
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I can probably count the number of movies that I think are better in 3D on one hand.

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I suppose it really depends on how one defines "this 3D really adds to the film!"

 

I mostly treat it as a fun effect I enjoy watching when it's done well.

 

I'm not going to go into the 3D version of Ragnarok thinking "I bet I'll like this movie even more this time!!!"

post #125 of 802

I just don't find it a fun effect unless it's used in interesting ways. 99% of movies (Thor included) do nothing more than slightly separating the planes and calling it a day, which isn't worth the annoyance of wearing those glasses.

post #126 of 802

 It was good to see that the video of Black Widow is what turned the Hulk back into Banner. I didn't expect that love story subplot of AOU to be a main part of the movie, but I did want to see it commented on and the movie did a good and quick job of doing that.

post #127 of 802
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I just don't find it a fun effect unless it's used in interesting ways. 99% of movies (Thor included) do nothing more than slightly separating the planes and calling it a day, which isn't worth the annoyance of wearing those glasses.

What're the movies that used 3D well for you?

post #128 of 802
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What're the movies that used 3D well for you?


Off the top of my head, Beowulf, Gravity, Avatar and Hugo. There are probably a couple more but I can't think of them right now.

post #129 of 802

 I did see this in 3D and I didn't add much. The reason I went to the 3D screening was because I had a free pass and figured why not treat myself. The only movies I have seen that 3D impressed me where Dr Strange, Piranha 3D and the remake of My Bloody Valentine. In the case of the last two the 3D helped trashy horror movies be even trashier. 

post #130 of 802

Oh right, My Bloody Valentine! There was a moment when Tom Atkins pointed a shotgun at the screen and people in the cinema legit started ducking.

post #131 of 802

You know what's a really nice 3D movie?  

 

STEP UP 3D!

post #132 of 802

DR. STRANGE was amazing in 3D.  Worth every penny.

 

Seeing this tonight in IMAX 3D because all other showings are close to selling out (and any remaining seats are in the very front).  Hopefully the 3D offers something to the experience.

post #133 of 802

ey evi!

 

you know what was really nice 3D???

 

yondu's funeral scene!  ohohohoh

post #134 of 802
3D in Oz the Great and Powerful is good.

Only one to make me duck (when the guards throw spears through the projected head)
post #135 of 802

That's a really fun one!

 

That whole finale with giant Franco head is the best!

 

BEHOOOOOOOOLD!!!!

post #136 of 802
Re: tonal balance, someone else said upthread that there’s a lot of heavy shit in Ragnarok. So the lighter moments almost had to be slapstick quality to tilt the balance more towards the middle.

It also gets points for the giant overarching prophecy coming true enough, but still leaving that bit of hope at the end. A handful of Asgrardians survive the “end of all things” but the repeated line of “Asgard are a people” keeps things moving in the right direction as far as the MCU is concerned.

I was not a Thor comics reader. How many times in the run of the series was Ragnarok a plot point? I would assume they could do all sorts of stuff with it being narrowly averted/coming true/even being cyclical in nature.
post #137 of 802
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ey evi!

 

you know what was really nice 3D???

 

yondu's funeral scene!  ohohohoh

 

ey nooj!

 

post #138 of 802

wait

 

my five kids to feed!!!

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Re: tonal balance, someone else said upthread that there’s a lot of heavy shit in Ragnarok. So the lighter moments almost had to be slapstick quality to tilt the balance more towards the middle.

 

George Lucas probably thought the same thing when he created Jar Jar Binks. 

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Re: tonal balance, someone else said upthread that there’s a lot of heavy shit in Ragnarok. So the lighter moments almost had to be slapstick quality to tilt the balance more towards the middle.

It also gets points for the giant overarching prophecy coming true enough, but still leaving that bit of hope at the end. A handful of Asgrardians survive the “end of all things” but the repeated line of “Asgard are a people” keeps things moving in the right direction as far as the MCU is concerned.

I was not a Thor comics reader. How many times in the run of the series was Ragnarok a plot point? I would assume they could do all sorts of stuff with it being narrowly averted/coming true/even being cyclical in nature.
Ragnarok or something very like it has been a major plot point at least four or five times in the Thor series, but as I recall only came to fruition once. This movie does definitely touch on some elements of that story arc, albeit in heavily adapted form.
post #141 of 802
Finally saw this today, and it was a slight disappointment. I agree with everyone that the Sakaar stuff was great and the Thor/Loki relationship was handled well. I liked how the final fight was resolved similarly to Dr. Strange v Dormammu, with an end-around to defeat a more powerful opponent instead of a random power up winning the day.

I’m on the side that the Odin parts did feel more slight than they should have. I don’t necessarily think it was the humor undercutting it that was the problem, but that his death was just too quiet for the film.

The movie ended up putting me into ‘backseat screenwriter’ mode where I kept having these strong specific ideas about how to fix the things I didn’t like. In this case, just have Odin’s power fade enough for Hela to escape, then show up to kill him. Without a scene of them together, Odin’s death and he and Hela’s relationship both felt slight.

I also had a problem with how they set up Hela’s powers. The whole ‘Asgard Powered’ thing felt kind of silly and didn’t have much relation to her role as Godess of Death. It occurred to me that you could just make it that she is powered by the souls of Asgardians that die near her, so she gets Odin’s power explaining why she’s so overwhelming. Make it so destroying Asgard releases the souls and you can keep the same ending.
post #142 of 802
I just saw this and think it may be the best Disney marvel film since the first Avengers. Seeing some of the other comments in this thread I do agree that the film backed away from delivering full emotional impact in some of the heavier moments, but for me that was actually a good thing. This year has felt so dark for me that I was glad the film wasn't forcing me to fully feel the depths of the emotions the characters were going through. I didn't need or want to see a dark film and I am simply astounded at how well this film managed the tonal balance of turning the heavy subject of Ragnarok, the Norse end of the world, into a lighthearted romp.
Edited by Tim K - 11/5/17 at 1:27am
post #143 of 802

As usual, super late to the party and I almost figured "why bother, I'll wait for Blu-Ray."  But, went and saw it this afternoon.

 

What a blast.  Best time at the movies since Fury Road, for me, and I'll let it settle for a day or two, but it's at least neck and neck with The Avengers for best MCU film (and there isn't anything else in the ballpark of those two films). 

 

After a string of films that, while entertaining, kind of disappointed me, I was really pleased to see them hit one out of the park again.  I have no familiarity with this director, but it is clear that he and I find the exact same things funny. Overly stoic characters in traditionally drama-laden scenes who subvert expectations by acting hilariously human.  I laughed harder at 15 parts in this film than I have at 99% of comedies I've ever seen.  For those who found the humor offputting, yeah, whatever.  Thor, after The Dark World, absolutely, totally, needed this take on the character.  I'm so glad he's evolved from the boor we saw in Thor Prime to a truly human character. 

 

Some other random thoughts:

 

--So, Goldblum's character is the same species as The Collector, right?  I have no familiarity with him in the comics, if he exists there.  Same lip line makeup thing, eye shadow, and overdone hair. 

 

--Film was so ingeniously creative and colorful and just bursting with ideas.  Thor vs. Hulk lived up to the build-up, jokes and all, even though I wish the lightning had been saved for the end.  For the record, I think Hulk would have hung on to win without Goldblum's cheating.

 

--"But, Big Monster!"  "That's in my brain, now."  "You're embarrassing me!"  HAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAH

 

--Asgaard was a boring dead end.  Yay, gone.  If they weren't going to do anything with Thor's comrades, I don't mind them being killed off (though this was maybe one area where a little more gravitas would have been nice.

 

--"You can't defeat me."  "No, I can't.  But he can."  Fucking perfect. 

 

--Thor's arc is over five or six films now, and along with Tony and Cap he now feels like a right proper character.

 

--That Valkyrie scene was so visually stunning I couldn't believe it.

 

--Many, not me at all, but many, I'm pretty sure were ready to fall down and worship Cate Blanchett's character's boots.  She really ate up the scenery.  She did as much with the role as humanly possible, and you know what ... I kind of sympathized with her.

 

--Seems like every bad idea Odin ever hatched came home to roost in this film.

 

--"That's what heroes do."  *BOUNCE**FALL*  AHHAHAAHAHAHAH

 

--Hulk vs. Fenrir.  LOVED IT. HAHAHAHHAH.

 

--I don't know who voiced the rock guy, but that was a great job and I can't believe how much that character added.

 

--Uhhh....what the hell .... Karl Urban made me feel like I'd seen a mini tragedy film about Scourge.  Damn. 

 

--Great Strange appearance!  Awesome!  And funny, like most of the movie.  Also liked the little Tesseract appearance. 

 

--Loki still a murderer with blood on his hands.  But, can root for him a little, nonetheless. You just know he timed his walk down the plank to match his statue.

 

Just loved every minute of it.  And, unlike GoTG2, there only a few scenes with wonky 3D instead of half the movie.  One of the better conversion jobs. 

post #144 of 802
...spoiler remover....

Also, Loki's reaction to seeing Hulk and Hulk Loki-smashing Thor....Hahahahhahahahahahahhs
Edited by Overlord - 11/4/17 at 8:42pm
post #145 of 802
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--So, Goldblum's character is the same species as The Collector, right?  I have no familiarity with him in the comics, if he exists there.  Same lip line makeup thing, eye shadow, and overdone hair. 

In the comics, the Elders are each the last individual member of their own respective species. They're like this interspecies fraternity of people who have nothing in common but their survival.

The most notable team-up of the Elders on record was a half-baked plot to assassinate Galactus, because his existence predates the Big Bang and the Elders found the existence of an entity older than they are offensive. I would love to see a plurality of Elders as real antagonists at some point after Infinity War, but there would be a lot of ground work to lay down beforehand to establish just who and what they are in the universe of the movies.
post #146 of 802
Overlord, Korg was voiced by the director himself.

It was a surprise to be sure, but a welcome one.
post #147 of 802
Overlord, as they say, "gets it".
post #148 of 802

I hope Korg's pamphlet-making is a Chekov's Gun that is the key to leading the good guys to victory over Thanos.

post #149 of 802
For Overlord, the guy behind the rock guy
post #150 of 802

Ugh, Hunt for the Wilderpeople was so great. Neill should've been up for the Oscar.

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