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post #601 of 764

It's the kind of gag they'd make in an American Pie movie (which, hey, I loved back in my teens). I just wasn't expecting that kind of humor in my Thor movie. 

post #602 of 764
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It's the kind of gag they'd make in an American Pie movie (which, hey, I loved back in my teens). I just wasn't expecting that kind of humor in my Thor movie. 

That's why I laughed. It was totally unexpected and it got me.
post #603 of 764
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It's the kind of gag they'd make in an American Pie movie (which, hey, I loved back in my teens). I just wasn't expecting that kind of humor in my Thor movie. 

I don't think I've ever laughed harder in a theater than some of the Jackass movies.  It's as low brow and shameful and basic as comedy gets in human beings, but guess what?  If it works it works.  

 

 

Shake weight joke was worth a light chuckle.  

post #604 of 764

The shake-weight joke is funny exactly because it's that type of joke. But it's also a sophisticated use of it. The way they just cut to it with zero set-up while Thor is desperately trying to get back home is fucking great comedy editing.

post #605 of 764

avian,

How do you feel about vagina dentata?

post #606 of 764

Sid from BMD gets drafted to the big leagues, writes about Ragnarok for The Village Voice: https://www.villagevoice.com/2017/11/10/thor-ragnarok-marvel-from-a-postcolonial-perspective/

post #607 of 764

This is good:

 

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After being discarded by the vengeful Hela on the trash-planet Sakaar, Thor meets a new character, Scrapper 142, a stumbling, drunken scavenger played by Tessa Thompson (a performer of mixed race, like Waititi). 142 is given no individual name, but is associated with her tribe, “The Valkyrie,” and further identified by the cultural tattoo she bears — a trait similar to many native Pacific Islanders. This Valkyrie is all that remains of the pre-colonized Asgard, part of a race of female warriors who all but perished during Hela’s original reign. She lives in self-imposed exile, her homeland having erased her struggles from the history books by erasing its own atrocities, but she’s also, for the purposes of the protagonist, Thor’s only ticket off Sakaar. Thompson’s Valkyrie is given perhaps the film’s most complete and resonant character arc, returning to a nation — traveling on a ship bearing the red, yellow, and black of the Aboriginal flag — she has every reason to hate, in order to save its people.
post #608 of 764

Compelling stuff about Hela as queer icon (not LGBT per se, although there's some discussion about Disney's history of coding villains as gay, but as a gender fluid character): https://io9.gizmodo.com/thor-ragnaroks-hela-is-inadvertently-marvels-first-que-1820151270

 

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At the same time, Hela also is an exquisitely campy, outsized personality who revels in the gauche, obsidian garishness of her divinity. Hela doesn’t just transform her cascading hair into her antler-adorned helmet—she stops, luxuriates in her own lethality, and quite literally takes a moment to feel herself before she gets down to business. Hela is simultaneously Siouxsie Sioux and David Bowie—undeniably feminine while also disrupting whatever ideas we may have about her gender. Hela insists that she is not (just) a queen, but she is performing a kind of high-concept drag that transforms the horrors of death and war (concepts we traditionally associate with masculinity) into a gorgeous ensemble.
post #609 of 764

Similar stuff to Sid's argument about colonialism: http://mashable.com/2017/11/08/thor-ragnarok-themes-colonialism/#iXEsTSPSKZqu

 

But has this great bit about Skurge and complicity:

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Thor's not the only one who has some key decisions to make in Ragnarok. Hela's right-hand man is Skurge, who goes along with her rule not out of some great passion for her cause, but because it just seems like the easy thing to do. When it becomes clear that the tides are turning, he boards the refugee ship with the other Asgardians. 

 

Then, at the last minute, he does something genuinely heroic: He sacrifices himself to ensure that the ship can get to safety, laying waste to Hela's forces with two machine guns he picked up on a lark in Texas. (They're named Des and Troy, because when he puts them together, they destroy. Thor: Ragnarok may have weighty thoughts on its mind, but it's never one to pass up a good joke.) 

 

With Skurge, Ragnarok shows us that great evil can be enabled by ordinary indifference, that "hero" and "villain" are not fixed states, that it's never too late to do the right thing, and that even nobodies must decide how to wield whatever power they have. He's the rare Marvel character who isn't easily categorized as "good" or "bad." He's the undecided voter of Asgard, and he finally steps up.

post #610 of 764

Five posts in a row huh?

post #611 of 764

How does that make you feel?

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post #613 of 764
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Five posts in a row huh?

 

Some really good links for discussion!

 

Sadly, I have non-CHUD stuff eating up my morning and afternoon, and cannot exhaust Bart and the rest of you with my tedious and literal readings of his links.

 

But the rest of you should!

post #614 of 764

MM gets it.

 

Go do the homework, Freeman.

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post #616 of 764

Freeman, what do you think of Bond's line in Casino Royale about his little finger?

post #617 of 764

Double post, move along.

post #618 of 764

Best Game of Thrones foreshadowing of all time.

post #619 of 764
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The shake-weight joke is funny exactly because it's that type of joke. But it's also a sophisticated use of it. The way they just cut to it with zero set-up while Thor is desperately trying to get back home is fucking great comedy editing.

I would disagree, because "Thor desperately trying to get back home" is also this wacky comedy thing. So they're just cutting from one joke to another.

post #620 of 764
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avian,

How do you feel about vagina dentata?

post #621 of 764

You think that by leaning into it you're owning it and this won't stick to you for the rest of your life.

 

You're wrong.

post #622 of 764

Freema, bubby, check out this google preview: https://books.google.com/books?id=yDbgDQAAQBAJ&printsec=frontcover&dq=what%27s+eating+you?&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwje2NGa-rbXAhWK5iYKHXlWBtcQ6AEINzAD#v=onepage&q=what's%20eating%20you%3F&f=false

 

Do a search for "Bart Bishop"

 

And look at how many times I talk about vagina dentata in my essay about Beloved. 

 

And I wrote that essay a year ago. 

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post #624 of 764
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I would disagree, because "Thor desperately trying to get back home" is also this wacky comedy thing. So they're just cutting from one joke to another.

 

Yes.  It's a comedy.

post #625 of 764

WTF even is that complaint?!  

 

They did two funny things... BACK TO BACK?!  What is this?!  Some kind of funny haha thing?!

post #626 of 764
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Oh look, here I'm talking about it again six months ago: http://birthmoviesdeath.com/2017/03/22/teeth-and-the-importance-of-consent 

 

It's almost like I'm fascinated by portrayals of female sexuality in mythology. 

post #627 of 764

Actually, it's almost like you're a real creep.

 

Radiohead style!

post #628 of 764

I bet we could find some monstrous feminine in Age of Ultron.

post #629 of 764

(Overlords Emperor voice)

DEW IT!

post #630 of 764
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Originally Posted by Freeman View Post
 

WTF even is that complaint?!  

 

They did two funny things... BACK TO BACK?!  What is this?!  Some kind of funny haha thing?!

 

As the initial post said, they're going for some subversive thing where Thor is in dire straits but another situation that could save him is ironically petty. Like Indiana Jones, where he'll be fighting a guy while Willie Scott is fixing her hair or something. It's funny while still serious enough to be an effective action scene.

 

 

 

But since they've established Surtur as a joke and Thor as easily being able to kick his ass, there's no tension to subvert by contrasting it against Skurge's pettiness. There's no irony, they're just cutting between one skit and another skit. That's basically the problem with the whole movie. I mean, did anyone take Hela seriously as a threat?

post #631 of 764
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post #632 of 764
Finally got a day off and went to the 11am IMAX showing. In addition to having a blast with the film itself, having an entire theatre to myself is just icing on the cake.
Just tossing it out there, and maybe it's already been mentioned before, the survivors of Asgard will end up on Earth of course, but..maybe in the very distant past? Odin said something along the lines of Norway could be their home, and Marvel seems to be embracing more cosmic storylines, so send them through a time warp to ancient Norway and the legends of the Norse Gods begins.
post #633 of 764
Or more likely, Thanos kills every Agardian except the ones with names we know, to show what a threat he is.
post #634 of 764
Or the Asgardians rise up as a vanguard for Earth - since they're way stronger than humans - and we get more Heimdall kicking Chitauri and Kree ass as a general in the Infinity War.
post #635 of 764

I just hope Elba gets more to do than he was given here. 

post #636 of 764
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Finally got a day off and went to the 11am IMAX showing. In addition to having a blast with the film itself, having an entire theatre to myself is just icing on the cake.
Just tossing it out there, and maybe it's already been mentioned before, the survivors of Asgard will end up on Earth of course, but..maybe in the very distant past? Odin said something along the lines of Norway could be their home, and Marvel seems to be embracing more cosmic storylines, so send them through a time warp to ancient Norway and the legends of the Norse Gods begins.

If you consider the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy's influence on Ragnarok, this actually...doesn't sound that farfetched. 

post #637 of 764

fun idea!

post #638 of 764
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I just hope Elba gets more to do than he was given here.

 

He actually did a bunch in this film, considering he's at best sharing 6th billing.  He certainly got the star treatment compared to the Warriors Three.

post #639 of 764

His entire role is essentially in the trailer. I mean, sure, he doesn't get killed off so I guess I should be grateful but it's a pretty nothing part. 

post #640 of 764
I'm kind of shocked that Elba survived this, considering he was trying to get out of his Marvel contract some time ago. Considering it would have been simple to remove himself now, I imagine he reconsidered.
post #641 of 764
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Originally Posted by MrSaxon View Post
 

His entire role is essentially in the trailer. I mean, sure, he doesn't get killed off so I guess I should be grateful but it's a pretty nothing part. 

 

What are you talking about?  He has an entire subplot leading the Asgardian resistance to Hela, steals swords and is fighting all over the third act.  I try not to pay much attention to the trailers, but weren't they pretty much all Sycar(sp?) and Hela breaking the hammer?

 

I actually expected Heimdall not to appear at all, because of the Dark Tower but especially after the Warriors Three got killed so off-handedly.  When they first showed a figure in a hood sneaking up the cliff, I assumed it was Sif.

post #642 of 764
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This is good:

Valkyrie's first ship also had the colours of Tino Rangatiratanga, the Maori flag.

As well as being massively Kirby inspired there's a shit load of Pacifica and Aboriginal inspired (not appropriated) design through this.
post #643 of 764
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.. there's a shit load of Pacifica and Aboriginal inspired (not appropriated) design through this.

Thank you for the clarification. I was on the verge of being triggered.
post #644 of 764
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I'm kind of shocked that Elba survived this, considering he was trying to get out of his Marvel contract some time ago. Considering it would have been simple to remove himself now, I imagine he reconsidered.

 

Dark Tower not taking off is one thing. Most of his complaints about his role were the complications and extreme pain of some stunt harness and that he was getting blasted with cold water for hours at a time. It's one of those 'there has GOT to be an easier way to earn a living' kind of things I suspect. :)

post #645 of 764
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Thank you for the clarification. I was on the verge of being triggered.

No, no, it's the Norse stuff that's being culturally appropriated.

post #646 of 764
Hi, avian.
post #647 of 764
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Thank you for the clarification. I was on the verge of being triggered.

Well a lot of people do. Taika went to great lengths to make sure this didn't happen. Especially as they were filming a lot on aboriginal land.

With regards the norse appropriation... eh, white people gotta white ;p

Facetiousness aside I'm not sure where that fits. The norse stuff has filtered into Western consciousness for millenia (hello Wednesday and Thursday).
post #648 of 764

Well, if you had an Irish director on Aladdin, and he got rid of Jasmine and introduced an Irish love interest, and retconned the whole setting into a metaphor for Irish history, don't you think people would side-eye that some?

post #649 of 764
Only if he didn't change the name(s).

Few are more sensitive and politically correct than me, but even I have little patience for claims of cultural appropriation. We all share this earth and borrow ideas from each other all the time.
post #650 of 764

Maybe? But Norse myth isn't "history." It was - is - an evolving set of completely fictional stories, characters, and symbols. Much of what we even have is the result of Christian monks setting stories down onto paper, sometimes with sanitized or editorialized versions.

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