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post #751 of 802
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Had a blast with this. Anyone else think that Thor watching Asgard's destruction and saying something along the lines of "what have I done" might have been an homage to Kirk watching the Enterprise be destroyed in STAR TREK III? "My god Bones, what have I done?" "What you always do, turned death into a fighting chance to live."

Oh shut up, you guys are nerds too.

Nope. It's just you.
post #752 of 802

Shit.

post #753 of 802

It might have been, maybe.

 

I mean, the dialogue is close enough. Thor asks Heimdall "What have I done...?" and Heimdall replies that he saved them all from extinction.

post #754 of 802

Ruffalo isn't getting enough attention. I thought he stole this film away from the rest of the cast. Hilarious performance, as Banner and Hulk.

post #755 of 802

Did he really mo-cap the arena fight? Ruffalo's so good at deadpan, I can't tell if he was serious about pretending to fight a two foot stand in of Thor, dressed in the same costuming.

post #756 of 802
saw it again with a friend who hadn't seen it

she got a huge kick out of Waititi's Korg, Goldblum, and the Commodore's birthday celebration song

still lots of fun, though this time the Asgard stuff dragged a bit because I knew it didn't really end up going anywhere interesting

Blanchett still keeps it watchable though... constantly slinky

and I forgot to mention something I noticed the first time: Tessa Thompson has a natural head-and-shoulder shimmy when she delivers exposition

Kinda like Clooney's head wobble, but good
post #757 of 802
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Originally Posted by D.T. View Post

Did he really mo-cap the arena fight? Ruffalo's so good at deadpan, I can't tell if he was serious about pretending to fight a two foot stand in of Thor, dressed in the same costuming.

I love that story, whether it's true or not.
post #758 of 802

This was so good! 

 

Cameo of the year. Best score to a Marvel movie yet. 

 

Also, this and ONLY LOVERS LEFT ALIVE are living proof Hiddleston is the only choice to play Dream in SANDMAN. 


Edited by Boone Daniels - 11/19/17 at 11:55am
post #759 of 802

I attended this, yesterday:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I learned so much. I've wanted to go to the previous events of Guardians of the Galaxy 2, Wonder Woman and Spider-Man: Homecoming, but missed those.  They're having one for Black Panther and I'm definitely going.

 

Here, the lead visual developer, Andy Park, who has been with Marvel Studios since Captain America. This is the second project where he's the lead (first being GotG2).  You've seen his work for many of these films.  What was illuminated was the design process for: Thor, Hela, Stan Lee (they seriously went through a costume process that was hilarious), Valkyrie, Grandmaster and his ship(s) various side characters.  Another thing was and I could tell by just watching this movie, this was a love letter to Jack Kirby.  A lot of Kirby's work was brought up and displayed during this presentation.  Kirby is ALL OVER THIS MOVIE and that made and makes me so happy.

 

Anyways, this punctuated my belief that Marvel Studios has one of the best visual development teams working today. 

 

 

Note about Hela's costume:  There was a costume made (and I saw it at this last SDCC), and Blanchett is wearing it in a few scenes. But yes, she (and her stunt double, Zoe Bell) had to wear the mocap outfits mostly.  

post #760 of 802

Smug: just curious...are the artists at Marvel people who worked at Disney prior? Don't know why I ask, I'm just wondering if Marvel Studios is it's own thing or if there is cross pollination from Disney Studios, even Epcot or the parks...

post #761 of 802
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Smug: just curious...are the artists at Marvel people who worked at Disney prior? Don't know why I ask, I'm just wondering if Marvel Studios is it's own thing or if there is cross pollination from Disney Studios, even Epcot or the parks...


I kinda doubt the artists working on vis dev for the films worked at Epcot/parks because its kind of a different skill set.  Disney? Possibly. Concept artists are mostly freelance/contract workers so they can go from studio to studio. I know a few of the artists working at Marvel or who have worked on movies like, Black Panther.  They're some of the best in the business. 

 

So, to answer your question Yes to Marvel Studios being its own thing....Yes to to cross pollination and a maybe or no regarding Epcot/parks.

post #762 of 802
The Marvel concept artist leadership has been very consistent since 2008.

Andy Park
Ryan Meinerding
Charlie Wen

I've been a huge fan of Park and Wen for a long time. Both were key concept artists for the God of War games before going to Marvel.
post #763 of 802
I can’t believe I just noticed that the Grandmaster’s tower features both Beta Ray Bill and Bi-Beast as previous champions.
Loved Hulk on this, but had Beta Ray Bill popped out into the arena, I would had fainted.
post #764 of 802
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I can’t believe I just noticed that the Grandmaster’s tower features both Beta Ray Bill and Bi-Beast as previous champions.
Loved Hulk on this, but had Beta Ray Bill popped out into the arena, I would had fainted.


That was mentioned during the presentation yesterday!  

 

The evolution of the tower design was pretty cool.  Once it became a given that this movie was going to be as Kirbyesque as they could make it, the tower design just flowered from there. Was a joy to see. 

post #765 of 802

Not even three beers before a free screening could dull the pain of this for me. Absolute guff that I'll thankfully have completely forgotten two days from now. 92% RT score! What a world we live in.

post #766 of 802

more of a dark world fan then?

post #767 of 802
Hah, I love when someone has such a drastically different response.
post #768 of 802

it's what makes life fun!

post #769 of 802
Finally saw this last night. Had a blast with it. The only thing I didn’t but like was how they unceremoniously dispatched Thor’s old crew. I know they have to set him up with a new crew, but come on! Everything else I just loved.

After this we went home and made my mom watch Hunt For the Wilderpeople with us, which she loved (because she has a heart). A great Thanksgiving Eve!
post #770 of 802

I always regret even seeing these things now because I always come across like a joyless fuddy duddy afterwards. I swear I'm not! I bet I'd have a blast with Geostorm!

 

But this Marvel stuff more and more just comes across as so pleased with itself, knocking out these joke-a-minute funtime variety shows that are just not very good films! People rag on the first Thor but I reckon it's one of Marvel's best because at least it tried to do something, build this cod-Shakepearan Norse fantasy nonsense world and tell something approaching a proper story in it. This was just... what was the point of any of it??

post #771 of 802
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I always regret even seeing these things now because I always come across like a joyless fuddy duddy afterwards. I swear I'm not! I bet I'd have a blast with Geostorm!

But this Marvel stuff more and more just comes across as so pleased with itself, knocking out these joke-a-minute funtime variety shows that are just not very good films! People rag on the first Thor but I reckon it's one of Marvel's best because at least it tried to do something, build this cod-Shakepearan Norse fantasy nonsense world and tell something approaching a proper story in it. This was just... what was the point of any of it??
Don’t feel bad. I think Wonder Woman is a pile of dog shit. We all have our movie or thing we don’t understand why everyone else loves.
post #772 of 802
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This was just... what was the point of any of it??

for Thor and Loki to finally come to terms with one another!

 

at least that's an element of the film I really appreciated beyond all the jokes

 

 

GEOSTORM was only so-so even in terms of what one expects out of something like that

post #773 of 802

But Loki is so neutered in this that Thor coming to terms with him means nothing. He's essentially a different character than the guy who caused the deaths of thousands, because that's not DELIGHTFUL.

 

Glad to see the cracks starting to show, though.

 

post #774 of 802
The point was...

Vagina dentata.
post #775 of 802
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But Loki is so neutered in this that Thor coming to terms with him means nothing. He's essentially a different character than the guy who caused the deaths of thousands, because that's not DELIGHTFUL.

 

Glad to see the cracks starting to show, though.

 

 

That's definitely true.  But then, most everyone is a different character in this, going along with the radical shift in tone from the previous two.  Even the Hulk is different, since the movie decides to paint him as an overgrown child.

 

Also, is it really cracks starting to show if Paul wasn't onboard to begin with?  It's not as if his POV shifted after an initial buzz.  If that was the case, the cracks already appeared with your long long long post!

post #776 of 802

I did like the first Guardians, and Winter Soldier on first viewing at least! But now I'm officially off the Marvel train, at least until someone tries to break them out of this comfortable little groove/rut (depending on your taste) they seem to be stuck in.

post #777 of 802
So this movie is both a radical shift in tone from previous entries, and not even trying to break out if the rut? I don’t get that.

Mainly because I don’t think this is that much of a shift in tone. It’s a bit lighter on its feat, but the prior Thor movies were already comedies.
post #778 of 802

I think there's a rut of 'comedy first, story second' that you can track through Guardians of the Galaxy 2 to Spider-Man: Homecoming to this, with lighter characterization, almost obligatory undercutting of dramatic beats, improv-heavy dialogue, incompetent and bumbling protagonists, and so on. 

 

And there's a definite radical shift from Thor elsewhere to him as Brendan Fraiser here. As well Loki, going from serious threat to "ain't I a stinker"? Or just compare the Collector in GotG1 (slave-owning, threatening weirdo) to Jeff Goldblum here (Saturday Night Live sketch).

post #779 of 802
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Note about Hela's costume:  There was a costume made (and I saw it at this last SDCC), and Blanchett is wearing it in a few scenes. But yes, she (and her stunt double, Zoe Bell) had to wear the mocap outfits mostly.  

 

Smug, did they say why? I can understand the helm being digital since it would've been really hard to move gracefully with it on, even if it had been made of lightweight material. But the rest of the suit seemed like it could've easily been done practically.

post #780 of 802
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Smug, did they say why? I can understand the helm being digital since it would've been really hard to move gracefully with it on, even if it had been made of lightweight material. But the rest of the suit seemed like it could've easily been done practically.


They didn't say specifically. But watching Thor a second time, its obvious why: action sequences. Its probably easier to CG not just the helm, but the entire costume during those sequences. I can see, and almost tell, that the scenes where Hela is either just standing or walking, that was a practical suit. 

 

I swear, these presentations are soooooo helpful and amazingly informative. I'm of the strong belief that the battle between Marvel and DC (if there is such a thing) comes down to the visual development teams they have. 

post #781 of 802
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I swear, these presentations are soooooo helpful and amazingly informative. I'm of the strong belief that the battle between Marvel and DC (if there is such a thing) comes down to the visual development teams they have. 

 

I can't agree there. I'd hold up all of the Nolan films*, and MOS and BvS against any MCU film in terms of the quality of the visual effects.

 

MCU's winning the battle has far more to do with characterization and finding a balance between franchise consistency and directorial flavor. And letting the audiences have FUN watching the movie.

 

(Wonder Woman not mentioned here simply because it featured some questionable VFX; otherwise, IMNSHO it easily matches the best of the MCU.)

 

 

 

 

*The Nolan films features a shit-ton of effects that almost no one notices, since they don't involve suits of flying armor, bodies doing physics-defying landings, and giant green rage monsters.

post #782 of 802
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I can't agree there. I'd hold up all of the Nolan films*, and MOS and BvS against any MCU film in terms of the quality of the visual effects.

 

MCU's winning the battle has far more to do with characterization and finding a balance between franchise consistency and directorial flavor. And letting the audiences have FUN watching the movie.

 

(Wonder Woman not mentioned here simply because it featured some questionable VFX; otherwise, IMNSHO it easily matches the best of the MCU.)

 

 

 

 

*The Nolan films features a shit-ton of effects that almost no one notices, since they don't involve suits of flying armor, bodies doing physics-defying landings, and giant green rage monsters.


Its not effects. Its the whole visual look of the movie from the costume designs on. 

post #783 of 802
Oh the designs in the dc movies are as good if not better than everything in the marvel ones. Krypton for example looked a fuckload better than Asgard. They just tend to go for different overall tones.
post #784 of 802
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I'm not expecting to be cheered, but I feel like simple silence would be more acceptable than booing. Otherwise, how are we any different than the DCEU fanboys that throw a fit when they get bad reviews on RT?

 

ETA: Also, in another few weeks when the high of a new Marvel movie wears off, you're all going to agree with me anyway

 

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It's possible I'm overreacting, but it feels a lot like people shouting me down. Like, if someone made a long post about what he didn't like about Aliens, I'd like to think I'd be above just going "tl;dr" or something. Not that I always am, but I try to either honestly engage with stuff or just leave it be.

 

Agree or disagree with your views on Thor: Ragnarok, I totally know where you're coming from in interpreting the reaction. 

post #785 of 802

Hell yeah, absolutely needs to be brought up again. Two weeks later!

post #786 of 802
Heimdall was the real MVP
post #787 of 802
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Hell yeah, absolutely needs to be brought up again. Two weeks later!

 

I appreciated it.

post #788 of 802
Ragnarok? Fuck yeah, man.

I feel that the pointed conversation about the tone of the movie kind of misses an important thing about this weird ass experience.

Because it is barely a movie (in the conventional sense; in the way we use the term). If you insist on its movieness, then yeah, the tone is ridiculous and it leaves too much of the drama hanging.

But more than anything else ever attempted on this scale, RAGNAROK is a comic book given motion. What is striking, and worth noting, is the way Waititi simply ignores the stuff you have to do when making a movie. Fuck it. We're doing riffs, set pieces that exist only to look as badass as possible, arch characterizations that prioritize snappy banter over depth of feeling. In that, it is both the ultimate MARVEL movie - existing as a single episode, serving the larger narrative, incomprehensible without that context - as well as the most unapologetic of its source material.

The criticisms that are earned by these funny books obviously apply here. The intent is insistent on entertaining you, keeping the pages flipping, carving out memorable silhouettes for the action figures whirling within. 20 episodes in, the idea that the cinematic seriousness of it all must be maintained wears thin. Its an opportunity to let loose some two-page wraparound spreads. This is the one with a fucking hologram embossed on the cover.

And yeah, that may not be for everyone. I think there is a sort of reluctance in fans of the MCU. This idea that the movies are a more meaningful format, more 'adult'.

I applaud Waititi for rejecting that. He made the movie my 12 year old past self always wanted to see. Meek with the fucking knives for hands, Hulk going toe to toe with Fenrir, Heimdall with the slow motion viking chop. Hela looking unbelievably audacious (shoutout her fight scene, I guess we might want to give Neo vs Smiths some credit cause this shit honestly didnt look any better but i love it).

My point is: the recurring scene with Fat Odin in a field. Thats a fucking comic book panel. Theres a tone that goes with that, just let RAGNAROK do what it does. Its got a baller vapor synth soundtrack and the best alien mob since Mos Eisley and DJ Cosmic Goldblum cuttin up the holowax.

Its crazy that I went into a movie theater and watched this thing. Its not as good as The Fifth Element - now >theres< a movie - but it traffics in that same vein of joyous, unironic sci-fi.

More of this, please.
post #789 of 802

It's not a good comic book, though. I mean, this movie couldn't carry water for a single issue of Walt Simonson's run, and when you're spending two hundred million dollars, that should be the standard. 

 

And if you're going to praise it for being comic booky, that is half the TV shows and movies out there these days. An actual actress wore this for an entire movie!

 

 

And she's worked with Aaron Sorkin!

post #790 of 802
Nah its fuckin awesome.
post #791 of 802
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An actual actress wore this for an entire movie!

 

 

 

 

well... not the ENTIRE movie

post #792 of 802
Ragnarok?
Pretty good.
post #793 of 802
 

 

Would give serious consideration to hugging, without that silly-ass outfit.

post #794 of 802
With or without the outfit, I'd be happy to treat her to an evening that included a nice seafood dinner ... then never call her again after the following morning.
post #795 of 802
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With or without the outfit, I'd be happy to treat her to an evening that included a nice seafood dinner ... then never call her again after the following morning.

 

OLIVIA MUNN IS A SAINT! A SAINT! 

post #796 of 802

Aaron Rodgers certainly thought so.  At least according to his snapchat...

post #797 of 802
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Aaron Rodgers certainly thought so.  At least according to his snapchat...

 

Thought you were going to sneak in a Fappening(tm) reference.  Should have known you were above that. 

post #798 of 802
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Thought you were going to sneak in a Fappening(tm) reference.  Should have known you were above that. 


I just referenced a very graphic blowjob snap, so not really. 

post #799 of 802
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Would give serious consideration to hugging, without that silly-ass outfit.
plus you'd be Eskimo brothers with the NFL's best qb
post #800 of 802
This movie is so fucking awesome..
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