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But will it be weird enough?

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you bet your sweet Porg it will

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Waiting until The Last Jedi to actively emotionally excite me about Star Wars again before I care.   

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Yes, just keep churning them out, one after the other, forever, until the heat death of the Universe...
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Hey, let’s talk about Star Wars!
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Give me Old Republic tales or new post the new trilogy stories and I’ll happy.
With good filmmakers, scripts and casts, the SW Universe can be limitless in the tales it can tell.
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No
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Lets talk about vagina teeth again!

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Lets talk about vagina teeth again!
Maybe we’ll get our first on-screen female Sith, Darth Dentata?
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It's best to see how Johnson does with The Last Jedi first. Everyone is already taking this announcement as "ERMAGAWD, AMAZEBAAAAALLS!" but I remain unconvinced it won't be an Empire Strikes Back retread. Happy to be proven wrong. My only concern there is the chance of fucking up Luke.

 

Plus we heard all these "all-new, all-different" promises before with Rogue One... until Disney/Lucasfilm/Kennedy reneged on that. 

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Lets talk about vagina teeth again!

Yes
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It's best to see how Johnson does with The Last Jedi first. Everyone is already taking this announcement as "ERMAGAWD, AMAZEBAAAAALLS!" but I remain unconvinced it won't be an Empire Strikes Back retread. Happy to be proven wrong. My only concern there is the chance of fucking up Luke.

 

Plus we heard all these "all-new, all-different" promises before with Rogue One... until Disney/Lucasfilm/Kennedy reneged on that. 

 

That's not how the internet works!

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It's best to see how Johnson does with The Last Jedi first. Everyone is already taking this announcement as "ERMAGAWD, AMAZEBAAAAALLS!" but I remain unconvinced it won't be an Empire Strikes Back retread. Happy to be proven wrong. My only concern there is the chance of fucking up Luke.

 

Plus we heard all these "all-new, all-different" promises before with Rogue One... until Disney/Lucasfilm/Kennedy reneged on that. 

This completely.  Rian Johnson has hugely impressed me with his output so far, and if anyone can make me emotionally engage in Star Wars again in a significant way for the first time since I was ten it would be him.  

 

BUT...  The trailers are turning me off.  It's so fucking ESB.  

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This completely.  Rian Johnson has hugely impressed me with his output so far, and if anyone can make me emotionally engage in Star Wars again in a significant way for the first time since I was ten it would be him.  

BUT...  The trailers are turning me off.  It's so fucking ESB.  

My hope is that they’re marketing to the nostalgia crowd and it’s not reflective of the final product. Even if we get an ESB rehash, I trust Johnson to at least make a pretty good version of that.
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That's not how the internet works!

 

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Interesting.

 

Also, keep in mind somebody like Boba Fett's Grandpa would technically be a "new" character. :wink:

 

But yeah, the first movie of this trilogy (starPhone X) won't get made unless Last Jedi crosses 2 billion and gets a good review in LA Times.

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I kind of wish Rian Johnson would just make the finale part of the present trilogy and then leave Star Wars behind. I fear we're losing one of the better, quirkier and younger indy- or quasi-indy voices out there to the Disney blob. I didn't foresee Johnson's life becoming dedicated to this empire. 

 

That said, it's not like Johnson was on a tier like Paul Thomas Anderson or something. His first three films were great breaths of fresh air in their own ways but Looper seemed like the work of someone frustrated that he couldn't quite swim in the deep end of the pool in terms of budget, and, consequently, scope and grandeur. So maybe this is all for the best?

 

I don't know. Conflicted I be. 

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Some valid points but almost regardless of how The Last Jedi turns out or how much it plays an ESB role in this new trilogy that follows set patterns, Rian earned enough of my faith with Brick and his episodes of Breaking Bad (and to a lesser extent, Looper), that I am already eager to see what his trilogy would be like. Not set up by JJ Abrams, and not obligated to tie into the OT. Free to do his own thing in the Star Wars universe (as long as it feels like Star Wars, the studio will ensure). That gets me stoked.

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And stoked is much better than Snoked. Snoked is what JJ did to Rian, lol.

 

Yeah, the point about these mega-franchises and Disney properties gobbling up the time of talented young directors--well taken. But I do think Star Wars is a fitting canvas for Rian Johnson, whose sensibilities line up well with what Star Wars is while at the same time he can push Star Wars into new frontiers.

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And stoked is much better than Snoked. Snoked is what JJ did to Rian, lol.

 

thinking of one of this season's episodes of CURB...

 

FOIST would be a fun name in that vein!

 

FOISTED!

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Rian’s trilogy focuses on a city boy searching for life on a farm in a galaxy far, far away...
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Rian’s trilogy focuses on a city boy searching for life on a farm in a galaxy far, far away...

in...

 

WAR STARS!!!

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C'mon, you guys, you know it will be more original than that...

 

 

PORG WARS

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Kathleen Kennedy: "I think the lesson I've always taken from George is be bold and take risks. I think that, um, the thing George never did was maintain the status quo and I think that that's really important because this business, especially now, things are changing so fast that you can't get stuck in doing the same thing and I think that that's the exciting thing inside the STAR WARS universe is, you know, we have this incredibly loyal fan base, we have an amazing amount of talent, and the worst thing we can do is to keep doing the same thing."

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Rian should print that statement out nice and big and slap it on the outside of his office door.

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This seems like such a weird move to make before his Star Wars movie even comes out. Seems like the kind of deal you'd want to announce after the movie if it's a big hit. This also seems like Kathleen Kennedy is just setting herself up for more stories about how he's firing someone from Star Wars again.

Can't say I'm excited for a Rian Johnson Star Wars Trilogy at this point either. While Looper is good, and it gives me hope for Last Jedi, it's also the only good movie he's made so far.
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This seems like such a weird move to make before his Star Wars movie even comes out. Seems like the kind of deal you'd want to announce after the movie if it's a big hit.

The ones making the decision have already seen Last Jedi in a final enough form to make it.
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This seems like such a weird move to make before his Star Wars movie even comes out. Seems like the kind of deal you'd want to announce after the movie if it's a big hit. This also seems like Kathleen Kennedy is just setting herself up for more stories about how he's firing someone from Star Wars again.

Can't say I'm excited for a Rian Johnson Star Wars Trilogy at this point either. While Looper is good, and it gives me hope for Last Jedi, it's also the only good movie he's made so far.

Brick and the Brothers Bloom are great and you’re fooling yourself.
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The ones making the decision have already seen Last Jedi in a final enough form to make it.

And? That doesn't mean anything. That doesn't tell them the public's general reaction to it, or how well it will do, and given the last two Star Wars movies that doesn't even tell me if this movie will be good.
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Brick and the Brothers Bloom are great and you’re fooling yourself.

Can't stand either of those movies. Brick is as obnoxious as a high school Noir film sounds like it would be, and the only thing I enjoy about Brothers Bloom is Rinko Kikuchi. Brothers Bloom tries so hard to be quirky kitschy little comedy that's it's almost painfully...probably because it's not really all that funny. Looper was the first time watching one of his movies where it actually seemed like he was getting what he was going for and the film was actually good.
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As long as you're aware that your opinion is not the popular one I'm cool with that.

 

CHUD's full of crazy opinions you get used to it.

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As long as you're aware that your opinion is not the popular one I'm cool with that.

CHUD's full of crazy opinions you get used to it.

I think popular opinion is: What is Brick and Brothers Bloom?
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If you want to frame mouth breathers at Wal Mart as the popular opinion, sure.

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If you want to frame mouth breathers at Wal Mart as the popular opinion, sure.

No, just the majority of people. Let's not pretend like many people ever saw or even remember those two movies.

Neither are even standout films of the years they came out...especially Brothers Bloom. Brick had some buzz from its time in the festival circuit because of the quirky novelty of putting a noir movie in a high school, but Brothers Bloom sure didn't have any of that. Brothers Blood just came and went, seen by few, and unlike Brick was not all that well received from what I remember of it. So even of the few that saw Brothers Bloom, I'm not even sure popular opinion would be that it's good.

When it comes to Joseph Gordon-Levitt crime movies from around that period I'll take The Lookout over Brick every single time.
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OK?

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Hey, you're the one that brought up popular opinion. I just totally disagree that popular opinion comes down on those two movies being great.
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Brick and Brothers Bloom are great movies though. 

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Brick and Brothers Bloom are great movies though. 

No!  I was confused too but this guy says no!  Who knew??

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Brick is a great debut.  Brother's Bloom has its problems and so does Looper.  Johnson doesn't have a spotless track record, but few filmmakers do.  That said, he's one of the few who's probably earned enough goodwill to be handed a franchise like SW.  But again, I would honestly rather wait until TLJ comes out to see what's what.

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Brick is just so fucking cool. It's not without effort, yes . . . but still very fucking cool.

My wife likes Brothers Bloom . . . I've not seen it.
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Brick is a great debut.  Brother's Bloom has its problems and so does Looper.  Johnson doesn't have a spotless track record, but few filmmakers do.  That said, he's one of the few who's probably earned enough goodwill to be handed a franchise like SW.  But again, I would honestly rather wait until TLJ comes out to see what's what.

As would I. I am hopeful for The Last Jedi because of Looper, and visually it looks nice from the trailer. I just find this announcement to be weird timing. You'd think they'd want this news coming out after The Late Jedi comes out, when they're riding high off the reception to the movie. You'd think they wouldn't want to be put into a place where if the reaction isn't what they want that they again have to fire another director off one of these Star Wars movies.
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No!  I was confused too but this guy says no!  Who knew??

Well, if you're saying they're great they must be great. Hey, who knew, right? Like, I thought they were bad, but it turns out I was totally wrong because someone else said they weren't. It's almost like, your point goes both ways.
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K cool.

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I'm sure Freeman meant here . . . on these boards.
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Brick is the goods.
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As would I. I am hopeful for The Last Jedi because of Looper, and visually it looks nice from the trailer. I just find this announcement to be weird timing. You'd think they'd want this news coming out after The Late Jedi comes out, when they're riding high off the reception to the movie. You'd think they wouldn't want to be put into a place where if the reaction isn't what they want that they again have to fire another director off one of these Star Wars movies.

 

I don't think it's weird.  They're certainly not worried about the film making money, it's SW.  And the franchise is virtually review proof (as the prequels proved), so they're not worried about that.  They clearly really enjoyed working with Johnson, love his ideas, are internally pleased with TLJ, so what's stopping them from offering him a deal?  Studios do this all the time, it's actually common practice.  Also Kennedy fired those directors not because of public reaction, but because she personally was not pleased.  Johnson doesn't have that problem.  

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And? That doesn't mean anything. That doesn't tell them the public's general reaction to it, or how well it will do, and given the last two Star Wars movies that doesn't even tell me if this movie will be good.

How well it will do? Come on. You know the movie is going to make a zillion dollars. You think they really care about anything other than that?

Not to mention it's already a win that he went through the whole process without getting fired. No behind the scenes drama or talks about "oh no, reshoots!". And the cherry on top of all that is he apparently turned the movie in way on time and on budget. Also no one has accused him of sexual harassment yet, so that's a bonus. Take that into account on top of them having seen the movie and like it that much, then I don't see what the issue is.

ETA: Basically what Ambler said.
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Brick is just so fucking cool. It's not without effort, yes . . . but still very fucking cool.

My wife likes Brothers Bloom . . . I've not seen it.

I didn't find it cool really. Everything about the genre conventions just came off as incredibly annoying when transplanted into a high school setting with teens. It wouldn't have to, because Blue Velvet is pretty similar to that, and that movie doesn't have a similar problem. But Brick just comes off as mocking, like it's trying to point out how stupid this all is by transplant a general noir detective story to a bunch of teens in high school completely straight but also totally unreal to how teens high school would act.
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How well it will do? Come on. You know the movie is going to make a zillion dollars. You think they really care about anything other than that?

Not to mention it's already a win that he went through the whole process without getting fired. No behind the scenes drama or talks about "oh no, reshoots!". And the cherry on top of all that is he apparently turned the movie in way on time and on budget. Also no one has accused him of sexual harassment yet, so that's a bonus. Take that into account on top of them having seen the movie and like it that much, then I don't see what the issue is.

ETA: Basically what Freeman said.

I mean more of the reaction to it. Yeah, I'm sure it'll make tons of money. But what if the reaction to this turns out worse than the previous two movies, and it preforms worse for them than Rogue One? Say the reaction to this movie is bad, do you think people would be all that interesting to see more Star Wars from the person behind it? Say it preforms worse than Rogue One, then they've got a whole trilogy from the guy that made their worst performing Star Wars movie so far.

Im not saying these things will happen. I'm just saying they've needlessly put themselves into a position where they could look bad later. On the other hand, if this turns out to get rave reviews, most everyone loves it, and so many people go to see it it makes them The Force Awakens money again...and then they make this exact same announcement, the reaction would basically just be one of excitement. Right now the reaction seems to one of trepidation. When you making your big exciting announcement you want people to be excited by it, not hesitant.
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I don't think it's weird.  They're certainly not worried about the film making money, it's SW.  And the franchise is virtually review proof (as the prequels proved), so they're not worried about that.  They clearly really enjoyed working with Johnson, love his ideas, are internally pleased with TLJ, so what's stopping them from offering him a deal?  Studios do this all the time, it's actually common practice.  Also Kennedy fired those directors not because of public reaction, but because she personally was not pleased.  Johnson doesn't have that problem.  

Oh, I'm not talking about offering him the deal. Offering a deal before the movie comes out so you can get him cheaper makes sense. I'm talking about publicly announcing the deal. You make a deal, things go wrong, you kill it quietly is a whole different situation than making a deal, making a big announcement about someone helming their own trilogy, things go wrong, you kill it and now there are tons of articles about Lucasfilms firing someone else off a project.

With Trank and Trevorrow it seems like a mix of both. It's probably not totally a coincidence they were both off their Star Wars movies after reactions to movies they'd just done.
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If Last Jedi is a retread of Empire or Empire/ROTJ I'll likely tune out for the rest of Star Wars. If it's something different, I'll pay for the next dozen films because they'll have proven there's at least a desire to take a risk or two.
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