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I hope it's a retread of ATTACK OF THE CLONES. The most underrated SW film ever.

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I hope it's a retread of ATTACK OF THE CLONES. The most underrated SW film ever.

YES PLEASE!!!!

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I didn't find it cool really. Everything about the genre conventions just came off as incredibly annoying when transplanted into a high school setting with teens. It wouldn't have to, because Blue Velvet is pretty similar to that, and that movie doesn't have a similar problem. But Brick just comes off as mocking, like it's trying to point out how stupid this all is by transplant a general noir detective story to a bunch of teens in high school completely straight but also totally unreal to how teens high school would act.

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I hope it's a retread of ATTACK OF THE CLONES. The most underrated SW film ever.

I could go for a remake of Attack of the Clones. Only prequel that could be turned into a good movie without any kind of radical change. If you're going to remake a Star Wars movie, may as well remake a bad one that could have been good as opposed to remaking a good one.

It'd be interesting to see a Star Wars movie that does the stuff that was trying to do well. Open with an action scene that's actually good, do a little Sherlock bit in Star Wars, play a little Breathless in Star Wars, get some western and a cool Gladiator fight in there.

Still kind of can't believe that movie fucked up it's ending so much. The one glimmer of something interesting happening in that movie was the end when it sounded like Dooku was telling Obi-Wan he was wrong about everything, it actually seemed like: Oh, he's actually a good guy and these people are the origin of the Rebels...that's cool. But then they fucked it up and they were also the badguys, and what almost seemed like a nice little twist was just nothing.
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If Last Jedi is a retread of Empire or Empire/ROTJ I'll likely tune out for the rest of Star Wars. If it's something different, I'll pay for the next dozen films because they'll have proven there's at least a desire to take a risk or two.

The trailer sure makes it look like a retread of Empire.
post #55 of 150
Thread Starter 

I'd rank Rian's directorial efforts as follows:

 

1. "Ozymandias" - Breaking Bad 

2. Brick

3. "Fly" - Breaking Bad

4. Looper

5. "Fifty-one" - Breaking Bad

6. The Brothers Bloom

 

..imo, "Ozymandias" is one of the best episodes of television EVER. now Rian is just a part of that, especially since the show set it all up, but still.

post #56 of 150
Thread Starter 

"Fly" is also totally underrated. As far as shows that are more serially driven but have some one-off episodes, "Fly" is really up there for a one-off. One of my favorite Breaking Bad episodes, and it is directed to perfection.

post #57 of 150

Fly is my favorite BB episode, period, and probably one of my favorite episodes of any show. One of those episodes of TV I can just pop in at any time and enjoy, no matter how many times I've seen it.

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Oh, I'm not talking about offering him the deal. Offering a deal before the movie comes out so you can get him cheaper makes sense. I'm talking about publicly announcing the deal. You make a deal, things go wrong, you kill it quietly is a whole different situation than making a deal, making a big announcement about someone helming their own trilogy, things go wrong, you kill it and now there are tons of articles about Lucasfilms firing someone else off a project.

With Trank and Trevorrow it seems like a mix of both. It's probably not totally a coincidence they were both off their Star Wars movies after reactions to movies they'd just done.

 

You're getting some fundamental factual information wrong.  Trank was not fired after his movie came out, he was fired before.  He had even been fired from F4 after shooting finished.  Kennedy got wind of his problems and got rid of him.  Trevorrow's lackluster movie didn't matter to Lucasfilm because he'd already made the hit Jurassic World.  That's why they hired him in the first place.  If they were so concerned about Book of Henry they would've waited to see how it did before bringing him on. 

 

You also seem to be hung up on the idea that Johnson might be fired from the new trilogy, and reasoning that Lucasfilm should wait until TLJ opens to announce it.  I have a hard time making sense of this.  If Johnson would be fired (and based on his performance on TLJ, I find this extremely unlikely), he could be fired tomorrow, or next year, long after TLJ has come out.  So why does it matter WHEN Lucasfilm makes the announcement?

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Fly is my favorite BB episode, period, and probably one of my favorite episodes of any show. One of those episodes of TV I can just pop in at any time and enjoy, no matter how many times I've seen it.

I like Breaking Bad, but can't really say I remember any episode being so outstandingly directed to be exceptional. Whole lot of episodes of old '60s westerns that are probably better directed, whole lot of '50s / '60s tv in general that's better directed.


Those are both really good episodes though, and that shootout in Ozymandias was better than the final one of the show. That final shootout reminds me of the final shootout from Mystery Road a lot.
post #60 of 150

Anyone expecting this new trilogy to be a huge departure from what we've seen before needs to put their expectations firmly in check.

 

That being said I'm definitely interested in the story Rian plans to tell.

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I like Breaking Bad, but can't really say I remember any episode being so outstandingly directed to be exceptional. Whole lot of episodes of old '60s westerns that are probably better directed, whole lot of '50s / '60s tv in general that's better directed.


Those are both really good episodes though, and that shootout in Ozymandias was better than the final one of the show. That final shootout reminds me of the final shootout from Mystery Road a lot.

This is dumb.

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You're getting some fundamental factual information wrong.  Trank was not fired after his movie came out, he was fired before.  He had even been fired from F4 after shooting finished.  Kennedy got wind of his problems and got rid of him.  Trevorrow's lackluster movie didn't matter to Lucasfilm because he'd already made the hit Jurassic World.  That's why they hired him in the first place.  If they were so concerned about Book of Henry they would've waited to see how it did before bringing him on. 

You also seem to be hung up on the idea that Johnson might be fired from the new trilogy, and reasoning that Lucasfilm should wait until TLJ opens to announce it.  I have a hard time making sense of this.  If Johnson would be fired (and based on his performance on TLJ, I find this extremely unlikely), he could be fired tomorrow, or next year, long after TLJ has come out.  So why does it matter WHEN Lucasfilm makes the announcement?

I know why they hired him, still, he was fired in the midst of all the bad coverage Boom of Henry was getting. And yeah, Trank does leave before Fantastic Four 2015 came out, but it was a movie he'd just done, and it was deep in the midst of terrible coverage from entertainment and fan sites...especially after the story from some college forum came out about him destroy some house or something. There was terrible coverage before that, but when that forum story came out it was basically used as confirmation for being terrible.

I'm not hung up on the idea. It just seems to that Lucasfilm is putting themselves into a position that could easily be avoided. I'm also not really sure how someone who's already brought out how they'll wait until the movie actually comes out to see if this is good news can't see how timing changes things. You only get to make that announce once. You make it after the movie is out, and if most everyone loves it, the reaction will be a more positive one. You'll have more people hyped for whatever this new trilogy is going to be, and you basically bring the percentage of looking stupid later down to zero. There's no down side to them announcing it later, there is by actually telling everyone now. I'm guessing Lucasfilm wanted this to be a big exciting announcement, but mostly the reaction I've seen online is one of trepidation, a wait and see approach because at this moment the announcement really doesn't mean anything because we don't actually know what his Star Wars movie is like.
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This is dumb.

What, that old tv could be better directed than Breaking Bad?
post #64 of 150
I think we never got enough Gus.
post #65 of 150
Agreed.

Which probably means we got the perfect amount.

“Always leave them wanting more.”
post #66 of 150
And the way he goes out is so great. It's like the fucking Terminator.
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"They will be incredibly story driven...sorry, I meant to say merchandise driven films. I also sleep naked on a big pile of money."

post #70 of 150

My only reservation about this is a pretty big one...

 

At what point does it stop being Star Wars and starts being just another sci-fi franchise with the Star Wars logo slapped on it for the obvious financial benefits?  Because that's really what this is all about.  The Star Wars logo and its value to Disney.

 

For me, Star Wars is George Lucas.  It's his baby and all of its insanely unique ideas came from his brain, with the help of some important collaborators.  Regardless of how muddled the execution of the prequels were, the ideas in them were solid and uniquely his.  People may have come to see lightsabers, the force, the family drama, etc. as limiting factors, but that's precisely what separated it from other sci-fi franchises.

 

The name Star Wars actually meant something and like it or not, it was specifically tied to George Lucas.  To me, it would be no different than someone else playing around in the world Johnson created for Looper.  I'm not interested in that, because that creation is uniquely tied to its creator.  Without him, it may as well be called something else.

 

Star Wars had plenty of other writers and creators for the different EU stuff in the past, but I completely avoided that stuff because the little bit I read came off as generic fan fiction with the Star Wars logo slapped on it.  I am already feeling that is happening with the movies now.  Johnson is talented, and I'm sure he'll have some unique ideas, but they will be his ideas and probably belong in some other sci-fi film of his creation.  Why call it Star Wars?  Because it's a brand under the Disney umbrella.

 

I totally understand how cool and exciting it sounds to explore the apparently endless possibilities in the Star Wars universe.  But to me, that universe is an abstract concept that only exists in Lucas' head and really only served as a theoretical backdrop to the Skywalker story, which is all I gave a damn about.  The universe was functional in servicing the main story.  Star Wars isn't Star Trek, where exploration and expansion was the very point of the story.

post #71 of 150
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My only reservation about this is a pretty big one...

At what point does it stop being Star Wars and starts being just another sci-fi franchise with the Star Wars logo slapped on it for the obvious financial benefits?
2006.
post #72 of 150

"I have huge reservations about this, as the real Star Wars is what came via George Lucas."

 

/plunks down $ every time a new one comes out

post #73 of 150
This might sound snarky but I don’t meant it to be, but if Star Wars moves on from what it meant to me as a kid and it no longer resonates or becomes just another sci-if franchise then I’m ok as generally well-rounded adult to move the fuck on.

The heart of the original trilogy existed because of three things:
  • Lucas, his vision and his stubbornness to see it through despite the huge obstacles in his way.
  • Mark Hamill’s performance as Luke - pure heart and earnestness went into that performance over three films. Always playing it straight, it was the driving narrative that could have come off trite if played any other way or by another actor.
  • ILM and Lucasfilm continually pushing boundaries and making pure movie magic that gave us childhood choc-full of wonder and magic. Each successive Star Wars was an event. What were we going to see in ESB? What were we going to see in RotJ??

Each of these have been replaced now by cookie-cutter, by-the-numbers blandness. Johnson’s a good director, but there’s next to zero real investment in him outside of I’m making a Star Wars movie! Yayyy!!! (Please don’t suck). Daisy and Rey, only one film in but you have to admit she is a bit bland. And as for ILM, well we haven’t really been wowed effects-wise since the explosion of CGI everywhere in cinema, so there’s no real excitement seeing new worlds anymore.

The only way we can really get the heart back in Star Wars is to get Lucas back on board and get him to open up his original big book of ideas and get someone else to write them. And develope a character who isn’t just the best of Luke and Han rolled into one. Give us a great fallible character who we an all get behind - no one cares if they’re black, white, man, woman, Wookiee - just give us someone we can believe in again.

But Star Wars, yeah, as an adult I’m happy to drift away from it if it becomes any more bland.
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The heart of the original trilogy existed because of three things:
  • Lucas, his vision and his stubbornness to see it through despite the huge obstacles in his way.
  • Mark Hamill’s performance as Luke - pure heart and earnestness went into that performance over three films. Always playing it straight, it was the driving narrative that could have come off trite if played any other way or by another actor.
  • ILM and Lucasfilm continually pushing boundaries and making pure movie magic that gave us childhood choc-full of wonder and magic. Each successive Star Wars was an event. What were we going to see in ESB? What were we going to see in RotJ??

 

This is key for me, because its the very reason SW was such a big deal in the first place.  I think it's easy to take all the above for granted since it's such a well known franchise, but it was really special.

 

I'm also not saying good movies can't result from other writers and filmmakers.  But it just becomes SW in name only, because Lucas isn't involved.  The fact that he only made six films over thirty years kind of says it all.  It was an event.  

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"I have huge reservations about this, as the real Star Wars is what came via George Lucas."

 

/plunks down $ every time a new one comes out

 

I'm actually picky about this.  I don't plan on paying to see Solo, because I have some fundamental problems with the entire idea.  I paid to see TFA for obvious reasons.  I plan to pay to see TLJ because it's still part of the Skywalker story.  I paid to see Rogue One because I wanted to see what Lucasfilm was capable of with side stories.  I can't have an opinion about this without seeing what they're doing.

 

Going forward, I will probably be more selective.

post #76 of 150

Honestly, I understand where you're coming from, Ambler, and am partially taking the piss. Despite how safe/solid an effort TFA was, I miss the crazy risk that came with George that I know Disney will never lean toward.

 

I just get chaffed when people want to have their cake and eat it, too. Money is the only thing that these corporations listen to anymore, so people need to find the strength within themselves to ignore what rubs them the wrong way. The lack of self-control film fans have when it comes to needing to be part of a conversation seems to come from a need of inclusiveness, and immaturity. I stopped seeing remakes of movies I love, that have nothing new to offer, years ago and it's been great. I also stopped seeing movies that I knew weren't appealing and were bound to turn into hate-watches (like the Transformers franchise).

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I stopped seeing remakes of movies I love, that have nothing new to offer, years ago and it's been great. I also stopped seeing movies that I knew weren't appealing and were bound to turn into hate-watches (like the Transformers franchise).

 

Same.

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Honestly, I understand where you're coming from, Ambler, and am partially taking the piss. Despite how safe/solid an effort TFA was, I miss the crazy risk that came with George that I know Disney will never lean toward.

 

I just get chaffed when people want to have their cake and eat it, too. Money is the only thing that these corporations listen to anymore, so people need to find the strength within themselves to ignore what rubs them the wrong way. The lack of self-control film fans have when it comes to needing to be part of a conversation seems to come from a need of inclusiveness, and immaturity. I stopped seeing remakes of movies I love, that have nothing new to offer, years ago and it's been great. I also stopped seeing movies that I knew weren't appealing and were bound to turn into hate-watches (like the Transformers franchise).

 

I will never get the "Well, this is attached to [geek property] so I HAVE to see this" mentality.

post #79 of 150
Even though it’ll inevitably be all about showing you how Han met Chewie and won the Falcon off Lando and did the Kessel Run in 12 parsecs and had to ditch Jabba’s shipment after getting boarded, I’m still kind of interested in Solo if only because it’s Kasdan and he seemed fairly enthusiastic about the project.
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I will never get the "Well, this is attached to [geek property] so I HAVE to see this" mentality.

 

I think it comes down to being a completionist and everyone feeling like they have to have an opinion about everything.

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 I’m still kind of interested in Solo if only because it’s Kasdan and he seemed fairly enthusiastic about the project.

 

Is it wrong of me to hope for a scene like this?

 

 

You know, between Han and Chewy?

post #82 of 150
I want to see them bring in Lucas’ idea of Space Pirates as villains.
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What have you learned on The Last Jedi that will help you going forward with the new trilogy?

 

Rian Johnson: There were so many things that were new to me, in terms of process with this. Everything from working with pre-vis for the first time to working with the heads of departments. It was a smooth process. It felt oddly comfortable, but a lot of it was new, so there was a learning curve. It will be nice coming into the next one, knowing a little bit better how a machine this big works. It was such an unknown to me, whether the size of this and the scope of it would make it a different thing than I previously knew how to do. Now that I know that's not the case, I feel like I can come into it a little bit more without the trepidation of, "Am I going to know how to do this?" Which feels good.

 

Are you going to to take any time off once the launch of this movie is out of the way, or do you know when you're going to hunker down and focus on this full time?

 

Rian Johnson: We're going to figure out the timing of the next one. We haven't figured it out yet. I'll say, I don't feel like, "Oh my God, I'm exhausted, I need to sit on a beach for a month." I feel creatively energized right now. I feel like I want to jump right into work. This whole process has left me feeling ready to jump in and do it again right away. I don't know why. I don't know if that's a good sign.

 

Ram Bergman: Also, on most of big movies, you work and you deliver the movie literally last minute. We pretty much finished the movie in early August, so we've not been working really hard, except doing press here and there. We had the luxury of delivering the movie a few months earlier than usual.

 

Have you given thought to where in the Star Wars timeline this trilogy will fit? For instance, would it takes place before the Skywalker Saga or after?

 

Rian Johnson: I'm at the very beginning of trying to come up with it, and honestly, timeline-wise, I'm not sure yet. In a way it's interesting, but in a way it's the least interesting part of it to me. I'm more thinking of what's the story going to be, who is it going to follow? What elements is it going to have? What kind of drama is in it? My head right now is more in that place. I haven't really, really gotten into it. Right now I'm mostly excited by the potential and just starting to form little clusters of ideas of what it might become.

 

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/star-wars-last-jedi-rian-johnson-new-trilogy-1068535

post #84 of 150

Looking at the sharp drop in daily grosses and this weekend plus the alarmingly low merchandising/toy sales... Johnson will never direct another Star Wars film.

 

I just can't see Disney/Lucasfilm backing him for another set of $200M+ films after this.

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ooooh is there an article about low merchandising/toy sales?

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Looking at the sharp drop in daily grosses and this weekend plus the alarmingly low merchandising/toy sales... Johnson will never direct another Star Wars film.

I just can't see Disney/Lucasfilm backing him for another set of $200M+ films after this.

Agreed.
post #87 of 150

Good. Less Star Wars in general.

 

Just Ep IX. Then let Star Wars die. Kill it, if you have to.

post #88 of 150
so happy with last jedi

would be so happy if it's the last star war ever!
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Looking at the sharp drop in daily grosses and this weekend plus the alarmingly low merchandising/toy sales... Johnson will never direct another Star Wars film.

 

I just can't see Disney/Lucasfilm backing him for another set of $200M+ films after this.


Just for the sake of argument...

 

While I do think we can read something into the daily and upcoming weekend drops, I don't think we can totally write-off the fact that Christmas falling where it does is at least a little bit of a factor.  Schools in my town, for example, didn't start their break until today, plus Christmas Eve (not a high-traffic movie-going day) falling during the weekend will certainly have an effect on box office.  I think next week and weekend is when we can begin to accurately gauge how far off THE LAST JEDI is likely to be from THE FORCE AWAKENS.

 

As for merchandise, that's a whole other can of worms.  There are plenty of additional factors playing into the low sales besides the reception to THE LAST JEDI.

post #90 of 150

I continue to wonder just how much kids even buy toys and stuff en masse considering all the other options they have

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ooooh is there an article about low merchandising/toy sales?

 

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/star-wars-last-jedi-toy-shipments-down-sharply-force-awakens-1069479

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I continue to wonder just how much kids even buy toys and stuff en masse considering all the other options they have

The market is shifting.  While kids haven't stopped playing with toys, it's nowhere near the level it used to be.  Companies - Hasbro in particular - have been very slow to acclimate to this reality.

 

I think it really comes down to a couple of things in addition to the changing way toys are perceived:  Hasbro does not consistently put out a quality product, and they continually emphasize characters that haven't performed well in previous lines.  And that's just scratching the surface of the ways in which Hasbro hasn't done a particularly good job with their STAR WARS license.

 

Now, having a divisive film attached to the line certainly doesn't help.

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My initial reaction to this announcement (before seeing TLJ) was that Johnson must really have the goods, really bringing something great to the table and he's got a vision for the future of this franchise and all that. But after seeing TLJ and now this I have to say, I don't really buy into the idea that Rian Johnson is some kind of visionary at all but that Disney loves him because he toes the company line.

Dude delivered TLJ under budget and ahead of schedule. Of course they love him. 

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I didn't buy any. Star Wars toys are for man-babies.
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I didn't buy any. Star Wars toys are for man-babies.

 

Those Star Wars-brand adult diapers are selling through the roof, by comparison.

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Those Star Wars-brand adult diapers are selling through the roof, by comparison.

Oh God, I legit LOL'd at this.
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My initial reaction to this announcement (before seeing TLJ) was that Johnson must really have the goods, really bringing something great to the table and he's got a vision for the future of this franchise and all that. But after seeing TLJ and now this I have to say, I don't really buy into the idea that Rian Johnson is some kind of visionary at all but that Disney loves him because he toes the company line.

Dude delivered TLJ under budget and ahead of schedule. Of course they love him. 

isn't that pretty obvious?

 

they were cool with what he brought them and did the job without much fuss or muss

 

 

I do wonder how much of Lucasfilm/Disney's decision to sign him up for more was partly a response to the bad publicity from their treatment of Edwards, CLOM, and Lord & Miller.

 

"See???  We DO support filmmakers!!!"

 

 

 

 

are there actually adult diapers with star war branding?

post #98 of 150
Google it and report back.
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I didn't buy any. Star Wars toys are for man-babies.
Ironically....this is the first time in my adult life that I've ever even considered buying any Star Wars toys because some of the stuff in the stores is absolutely gorgeous..
post #100 of 150
I only buy superhero toys because I'm a well-adjusted man.
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