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post #1 of 1489
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Shorter than MAN OF STEEL, more coherent than SUICIDE SQUAD, and considerably more focused than BATMAN V SUPERMAN, JUSTICE LEAGUE nevertheless manages to be a bit of a disappointment. It's a wet firecracker of a movie, all of its energy sucked away by studio brass fearful of backlash.

Heroes are recruited. A(n infinitely boring) villain is battled. It's fine. Nobody's going to find equivalent "Martha" joke-fodder in this movie.

But you know what? The "Martha" plot point, for all its silliness, came from a movie that had a lot on its mind. And the only thing JUSTICE LEAGUE has on its mind is the filmmakers (and I'd say this film is more the product of Warner Bros. executives than either Zack Snyder or Joss Whedon) begging you not to hate it.

And hey, I didn't hate it, but I didn't like it all that much, either.
post #2 of 1489
you will not stop me...

justice league will become more successful than either of us!!!
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Ohhhh now this promises to be interesting.
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Are there two post-release threads for this? If so, which is the one with fewer dicks who have no intention of ever seeing it?
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Are there two post-release threads for this? If so, which is the one with fewer dicks who have no intention of ever seeing it?
I should go post in the other one just to even things out.
post #6 of 1489
This movie is unforgivably boring.
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Tell us more!

post #8 of 1489
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This movie is unforgivably boring.


It really is pretty boring.  I over-dramatically yawned last night and it was not on purpose.

post #9 of 1489
The important question is, Will I like it?
post #10 of 1489
3 1/2 stars in local paper! I wonder what Oscar this DC masterpiece will take home?
post #11 of 1489
The Dark Shape, is this a different cut of the movie than you initially saw?
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"I feel Ezra Miller is not being respectful of the fan-base for the character. He needs to be reigned in. His powers look so cool but he's obviously made the creative decision that his Barry Allen runs funny. He kind of kicks his feet out like a child. Why would Barry Allen not know how to run? Maybe Ezra Miller doesn't know how to run but then someone on set would have said ' Someone needs to teach him how to run because this is bad'."

 

That's from a video review I just watched. Dark Shape can you confirm if this is true??

post #13 of 1489
Does he run like Steven Seagal?
post #14 of 1489

or Tom Cruise?

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What percentage of Cavil's scenes have the weird CGI thing going on?  Based on reviews, I've resigned myself to liking this movie enough that this glaring flaw will annoy the hell out of me.  Why not just add a weird Obi Wan beard?  Seems like it'd be easier to add a convincing CGI beard than fucking re-drawing his upper lip.

 

I'm flashing back to Ray Winstone's creepy CGI waste in that Crystal Skull trailer where they removed the guns.

post #16 of 1489
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What percentage of Cavil's scenes have the weird CGI thing going on?  Based on reviews, I've resigned myself to liking this movie enough that this glaring flaw will annoy the hell out of me.  Why not just add a weird Obi Wan beard?  Seems like it'd be easier to add a convincing CGI beard than fucking re-drawing his upper lip.

 

I'm flashing back to Ray Winstone's creepy CGI waste in that Crystal Skull trailer where they removed the guns.

Wait, what?  Did Cavil get a lip tattoo or something?

post #17 of 1489
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Wait, what?  Did Cavil get a lip tattoo or something?

 

The re-shoots took place whilst he was also filming the new Mission Impossible - a movie he'd grown a moustache for and wasn't allowed to shave off. So they spent a ton of money digitally removing it!

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The re-shoots took place whilst he was also filming the new Mission Impossible - a movie he'd grown a moustache for and wasn't allowed to shave off. So they spent a ton of money digitally removing it!

 

Incredible, and thank you!  The spirit of Caesar Romero's Joker thanks him too.

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The Dark Shape, is this a different cut of the movie than you initially saw?


They cut a Lois scene at the Daily Planet and swapped shots at the end so it ends on a different moment, but otherwise this is 98% the same cut I saw before.

 

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"I feel Ezra Miller is not being respectful of the fan-base for the character. He needs to be reigned in. His powers look so cool but he's obviously made the creative decision that his Barry Allen runs funny. He kind of kicks his feet out like a child. Why would Barry Allen not know how to run? Maybe Ezra Miller doesn't know how to run but then someone on set would have said ' Someone needs to teach him how to run because this is bad'."

 

That's from a video review I just watched. Dark Shape can you confirm if this is true??


It's true.  He looks silly when he runs, but I thought it was intentional.  Flash was my favorite character in it - he's basically DC's Tom Holland Spider-Man.

 

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What percentage of Cavil's scenes have the weird CGI thing going on?  Based on reviews, I've resigned myself to liking this movie enough that this glaring flaw will annoy the hell out of me.  Why not just add a weird Obi Wan beard?  Seems like it'd be easier to add a convincing CGI beard than fucking re-drawing his upper lip.

 

I'm flashing back to Ray Winstone's creepy CGI waste in that Crystal Skull trailer where they removed the guns.

 

He has distracting CGI face (it's very, very noticeable) for all but two scenes he's in.  You'll see it in the first scene of the movie, so enjoy!

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All but two scenes?? Great. Who makes the MI movies? Paramount? Haven't they heard of a fake mustache? I heard the technology is quite convincing these days.

Or did they just feel like screwing over Warner?
post #22 of 1489
Far below Wonder Woman but still DC's 2nd best film out of this current run only by virtue not being as awful as something like X-Men Apocalypse. Also, definitely not the obvious hatchet job like Suicide Squad was. Sticks to the Superhero Blockbuster 101 formula, while managing a close to functional course correction.

With that, the first 25 min or so are embrassingly bad, cg Cavill face, shitty melancholy intro song, lame poorly shot opening action scene with what looks like the guy from FX's Lights Out, awkward flat intro to Aquaman, worst superhero saves a bank hostage situation since Hancock, Steppenwolf looked Doomsday bad in his intro, once past that it goes from Bvs bad to passable.
post #23 of 1489
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All but two scenes?? Great. Who makes the MI movies? Paramount? Haven't they heard of a fake mustache? I heard the technology is quite convincing these days.

Or did they just feel like screwing over Warner?

 

To be fair, why is it Paramount's problem that Warner Brothers decided to have extensive reshoots?

 

Paramount likely didn't want to put a fake moustache on Cavill, or Cavill refused to shave it off. 

 

I'm willing to bet that evil Superman was in this movie at some point.  I bet they chopped that right out.

post #24 of 1489
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I'm willing to bet that evil Superman was in this movie at some point.  I bet they chopped that right out.

 

Mm-hmm.

 

The only two scenes from Snyder's shoot are the initial confrontation in front of the broken statue, and the final scene at the Kent farm.  All of Cavill's other scenes are reshoots.  My gut is that in Snyder's version, Clark stayed confused for the bulk of the movie and was used as a tool by Steppenwolf against the League.  

post #25 of 1489
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To be fair, why is it Paramount's problem that Warner Brothers decided to have extensive reshoots?

 

Paramount likely didn't want to put a fake moustache on Cavill, or Cavill refused to shave it off. 

 

McQuarrie addressed that on Twitter. Don't have it in front of me but it had to do with the heavy stunt work and how a fake stache would fly off (and they frankly didn't want to spend the dough for a fake one since they weren't the ones with a looming release date like Justice League).

post #26 of 1489
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This movie is unforgivably boring.

 

post #27 of 1489
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Originally Posted by Bluelouboyle View Post

All but two scenes?? Great. Who makes the MI movies? Paramount? Haven't they heard of a fake mustache? I heard the technology is quite convincing these days.

Or did they just feel like screwing over Warner?

It was absolutely a put your nuts on the other guy's desk moment. Fuck if we're spending a dime on fake moustache adhesive, when you can spend zillions to computer the moustache off in your movie.
post #28 of 1489

Please tell me they had to paint it green or something to assist with the digital removal.

 

I probably won't see this film now.  I found BvS incredibly boring to the point I regretted seeing it.  I had (very vague low) hopes for this but it's jumped to "watch on TV"

post #29 of 1489
The thing with Cavill’s moustache is he’s still wearing it proudly.

I’d guess that M:I6 is done filming by now.
post #30 of 1489

Movember probably.

 

Also, it's a great mustache.

post #31 of 1489

The "Martha" moment gets a ton of shit, and it's somewhat rightful because the execution is so clumsy and histrionic that it practically begs for laughs.

 

BUT the IDEA I'll defend till the day I die. That core idea of two people connecting over the very basic, very animalistic love for their dead Mom, and the actual moment hinging on a canonical coincidence to instantly cut through all cultural differences is something no Marvel movie would even try. So props for trying. 

 

Also this movie looks bad and is probably bad and will be the first movie that has a Batman in it since 1989 that I don't see opening weekend. 

post #32 of 1489
I wonder how many times I'll probably see this.
post #33 of 1489
Thing I didn't realize until today: in the nearly two years since the release of BvS, if Google is to be believed, nobody has yet made a joke about how "even bat men love their Marthas."
post #34 of 1489

I hope they put that awesome Black Panther trailer in front of this.

 

post #35 of 1489
I was thinking about how I never post in the sports or pro wrestling threads because I have no interest in those things and I feel like I'd bring zilch to the conversation by just sort of repeatedly reminding everyone how dumb I thought they were, or how I hate them, or how I have no interest in watching them. Over and over and over. Day after day. Constantly.

I imagine the other posters in those threads would find my presence toxic, trolling and pointless. Because there's no other way to describe it.

If you don't like the DC movies and hope everyone involved with their creation ultimately becomes bankrupt and blacklisted by Hollywood, WE FUCKING GET IT!! OKAY!! WE GOT YOU!! NOW FUCK OFF!!

Jesus H. Christ.
post #36 of 1489
Ya know....that's the best (or at least my favorite way) that I've heard that put. You made realize I've never been in those threads either because....why would I?
post #37 of 1489

You guys are upsetting my precious Brad.  This is unacceptable. 

post #38 of 1489
I stand with Brad.

And wrestling is awesome!
post #39 of 1489

I'll be checking this out for free tonight, only way I'm bothering with this, but I'll give it a chance.  Be back in a few hours.

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I was thinking about how I never post in the sports or pro wrestling threads because I have no interest in those things and I feel like I'd bring zilch to the conversation by just sort of repeatedly reminding everyone how dumb I thought they were, or how I hate them, or how I have no interest in watching them. Over and over and over. Day after day. Constantly.

I imagine the other posters in those threads would find my presence toxic, trolling and pointless. Because there's no other way to describe it.

If you don't like the DC movies and hope everyone involved with their creation ultimately becomes bankrupt and blacklisted by Hollywood, WE FUCKING GET IT!! OKAY!! WE GOT YOU!! NOW FUCK OFF!!

Jesus H. Christ.

 

Thank you.

 

Fuck, it's just a fucking movie. Marvel isn't going to give you stock options for oh, so valiantly defending them from those evil fuckers at DC.  This shit's just sad and pathetic right now FETT. 

post #41 of 1489
Well, here I go, gents. Spoilers ahead, but nothing too big.
To sort of quote historical bastard Josef Fouche: “This was worse than bad. It was a mess”
That’s all this damn movie is. A big mess that at every second screams in reminiscence of the countless reshoots, recuts and damage control that were made in the name of a bunch of executives and producers that were too proud, stupid and greedy to admit defeat or their incompetence.
This movie should had been epic. It should had been grand Wagnerian opera, with Gods and heroes bigger than life fighting against pure evil.
That we get this bland, uneven and soulless generic blockbuster instead of George Miller’s epic is absolutely enraging.
Even worse is that you can tell that all the faults and errors are at the creative and executive level; these characters, portrayed by this cast, deserve a better movie and a better adaptation of their mythology and history.
We should had gotten a Grant Morrison’s Justice League. Instead, we got a editor mandated New 52 mess, that strips the characters and their iconic power to some bare, soulless marketing designed vision.
The only hope is that at the end, this movie sets up a DCU that can be salvageable, if WB swallows its pride and steals from the post Perlmutter Marvel playbook: get producers, writers and directors that get the material and characters, that care about what these characters represents and have vision and passion, and are willing to fight for them. More Patty Jenkins and less Snyders and Whedons.
This is a messy movie whose only saving graces are a few moments were the cast is allowed to give the real iconic characters they are playing life, and a finale that leaves a shaky but fixable foundation for a better future. That’s about it.

Ok, now it’s spoiler time; nothing big or fundamental, just personal issues with the movie:
-who the fuck thought it was a good idea to turn Barry Allen into a Big Bang Theory Reject? The guy even runs like a nerd in PE on a 80s bad comedy.
-how the fuck do you manage to make Superman joining the big fight a dorky gag instead of the biggest moment in a JL movie?
-Why introduce the concept of humans turning into parademons and not use it later in the movie?
-The movie literally opens with a moment ripped from the first issue of the New 52 Justice League, making it clear what you are gonna get.
-Why stick with that baymorphers design and emo attitude for Cyborg for the whole movie, only to tease his Teen Titans self and classic design at the very end?
-Even in sharp suit and bald, Eisenberg as Luthor is as imposing and charismatic as a wet Michael Cera.
-How the fuck do you mess Steppenwolf being defeated? How hard would it had been for a boom tube to open, and reveal an imposing shadowy figure to claim Sttepenwolf has failed him, only for Steppenwolf to be disintegrated by Omega Beams, followed by the figure saying Earth will soon learn the one truth in the universe: DARKSEID IS.
-Fuuuuuuck that digital shaving effect. Fuck it.
That’s it for now. I need to read a classic TPB or play Injustice to feel better about this.
And yes, I’ll watch Thor Ragnarok again this weekend just because.
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Thank you.

Fuck, it's just a fucking movie. Marvel isn't going to give you stock options for oh, so valiantly defending them from those evil fuckers at DC.  This shit's just sad and pathetic right now FETT. 

No. Just no to this.
Because these characters, who are essentially the foundations of the very concept of the superhero, deserve better.
This cast derserves better. Fans and consumers deserve better.
Even as a Marvel apologist, I think they made a lot of mistakes and errors, and still do (Inhumans, Defenders). But Marvel/Disney show that they learn from them. That they care about their properties and want not just to profit of them but make them relatable, iconic and pleasing to both fans and casual audiences.
Disney learned this the hard way during the Eisner era. Marvel did during Perlmutter reign.
And DC needs to learn it to.
post #43 of 1489

Criticizing a movie you've seen? That's a-ok!

 

Not liking or even hating a movie? That's fine too!

 

Coming into threads for movies you have no intention of seeing just to shit on them? That brings nothing to the conversation and is just trolling those of us that -gasp- actually LIKED Man of Steel and BvS for what they were.

 

Maybe I don't WANT everything to be like Marvel's fluff?

 

I'll probably not even come into this thread, regardless of how I'll feel about Justice League, after seeing it. Not interested in another round of "These characters SHOULD BE LIKE THIS". 

post #44 of 1489

I just want this movie to not feel like watching a Nickelback concert, if that's too much to ask.

post #45 of 1489
Thread Starter 

 

The tell-all book about this movie is going to be fascinating.

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The tell-all book about this movie is going to be fascinating.

 

post #47 of 1489

Has anyone seen Justice League: War? It's the animated movie that covers roughly the same territory as this movie and I kind of hated it and what I'm hearing above* is sort of reminding me of War. (Which was also derived from the New 52 league. The New 52 remains a baffling creative decision--I have no idea why WB and DC felt like they had to throw out so much of the post-Crisis foundation, which DC is gradually returning to via Rebirth.)

 

*Particularly the thing ryoken mentioned about turning people into parademons. In War Vic (I think) found out that the parademons were innocent sentient aliens who had been turned into parademons and...nothing was done with it. I believe the League gleefully blasted them.

 

(I'm going to see this, of  course. As a general purpose comics cultist.)

post #48 of 1489
I saw Justice League: Dark. Needed more Swamp Thing. But that's a given.
post #49 of 1489
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And yes, I’ll watch Thor Ragnarok again this weekend just because.

 

 

 

 

 

A detailed review that outlines everything that I've felt about this project from the beginning.  Hell, the whole jumpstarting the DCEU with the resounding turd that was BvS was a big warning sign that WB clearly have no idea what the hell they're doing.  They're lucky that Wonder Woman turned out to be a decent movie that cleaned up at the box office or JL would have been the death knell for the DCEU.

 

As a comic book/MCU fan I think I'm spoiled with the effortless way that Marvel films can present their films with that continuity and worldbuilding built over the last ten years. But enough about the MCU.

 

Besides, us older nerds remember the TimmVerse with it's excellent collection of animated series that existed in a shared universe. I daresay that the Justice League animated series was the best adaptation of those characters and stories we will ever see. It's a real shame that the DCEU won't be as good or as full of heart as those shows were. Hell, the CW-DC TV Universe is far more fun and entertaining than the DCEU films will ever be.

 

Also, I've been reading the classic JUSTICE LEAGUE INTERNATIONAL comics run from the 1980s and that is some great stuff. Blue Beetle & Booster Gold are so great together. I'll be tackling Morrison's JLA run next. If it's anything like his X-Men run (which was amazing) I'm in for a treat.


Edited by Headless Fett - 11/15/17 at 10:24pm
post #50 of 1489
I'm just going to have to put him on ignore for a month.
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