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Superman by way of Max Headroom and Steven Tyler.

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Before JL:

 

 

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Originally Posted by FilmNerdJamie View Post
 

 

 

 

After JL:

 

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Certainly makes one appreciate the Superman Returns design, that's for sure.

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I hate the white highlights popping out on the suit. Just that one darker shade of blue would be fine you over designing goofs!

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The costume? Nah. That SR suit was weak.
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*BREAKS BEER BOTTLE!*

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Originally Posted by Mr. Stockslivevan View Post

The costume? Nah. That SR suit was weak.

 

Not as weak as MAN OF STEEL tho'.

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I have no issue with the MOS suit aside from the cape being to long and the colors being too muted in MOS' color grading.
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Originally Posted by Headless Fett View Post

Not as weak as MAN OF STEEL tho'.

The Man of Steel Superman costume has a cape that's red. Actually red. Not the fruit roll-up tucked in to the high-neck monstrosity that was the SR suit. And don't even try comparing the actual comics-true boots of MOS to the high heels with the fucking 'S' on them of Returns.

Comparing the suits isn't even close.

Someone wants to argue that Superman: The Movie has the definitive Superman suit? They've got a case.

But Superman Returns vs Man Of Steel? On the suit it's not a contest.
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Gotta say I love Superman the movie but the cute lil short cape never did it for me.  I vastly prefer the regal flowing silk cape Cavill has. 

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The colors on the suit for Man of Steel might have been correct but very rarely were you able to tell with that film’s stupid color grading.
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Originally Posted by Freeman View Post

I hate the white highlights popping out on the suit. Just that one darker shade of blue would be fine you over designing goofs!

those highlights are also in batsup

probably to give the suit the appearance of more muscle definition when the film got color graded into dimness

perhaps they used the same costume for Justice League and forgot about compensating for that in the final grade
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I secretly suspected as much, but then hoped they wouldn't be that stupid.

 

Or at the very least they wouldn't see the final edit and not go "ugh that looks like shit, lets spend the 20 grand to fix it."

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sorry

the mustache ate up the 20 grand!
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Originally Posted by mcnooj82 View Post

sorry

the mustache ate up the 20 grand!

 

Should have contracted out to ILM, WB pinching pennies at the wrong damn time!

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Yay, grading talk!
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I knew you'd come!
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I knew you'd cum!

 

 

...?

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george cummey?
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Bradi REALLY likes grading talk...  He needs some alone time. 

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He gets an A+ for it.
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I don't know if I have, or will ever have, the energy to read through 30 pages of post release Justice League talk.

 

Just saw it today.  Collection of random thoughts:

 

--The Superman revived vs. everyone else scene had more gravitas and power than anything else I can recall in the DCEU.  Cavill was legitimately frightening.  Kind of reminded me of the "I live in a world made of paper" speech/scene from Justice League or when Supes takes down Manchester Black in WSFATJATAW.  When the Flash realizes Superman's just as fast as he is ... yipes.  Developers need to nerf this shit ASAP.  Headbutt against Wonder Woman was brutal.  My fave scene in the movie, probably fave action scene in entirety of DCEU.  I don't need a big sky portal of doom, I don't need a horde of faceless enemies, just give me more scenes like that. 

 

--Speaking of Wonder Woman, does she have the most screen-time in this movie?  Sure felt like it.  All the scenes with the rope got big laughs from the 10% full theater.

 

--They needed to give Batman something to do that didn't completely make clear how out of his league he is when dealing with super humans.  Maybe he could have used that exoskeleton from BvS.

 

--I fully expected not to give a flying shit about Steppenwolf, who I barely recognized the name of when he was announced as a villain.  Then the "My axe is still slick from the blood of your sisters" line popped up, and I was like, "okay, he's got some panache about him."  For as much as he beat the shit out of the sans-Superman League, he really got curbstomped at the end there.  Again: nerf Superman.  Ciaran Hinds was fine. Should get more voiceover work.  There was only one Darkseid reference I caught.

 

--The biggest problem with this film is the set-up.  It has been beaten to death.  Then set on fire.  Then buried.  Then the ground was dug up in a big cube, put on a ship, and that ship filled with water under a bridge and then the ship sank.  But these characters needed origin films.  There weren't many people in the theater, but I heard a few people asking "who's that."  That can't happen.  Not with a property like this. 

 

--I never warmed up to the design of Cyborg.  Moreso than almost anyone else, it felt like we were jumping into his story at the halfway point. 

 

--I think Whedon's big contribution to this must have been cutting out as much Unity/Darkseid/Cubes of Doom shit as possible.  Good.  I would have rather had a villain like Metallo, Manchester Black, or Sinestro, someone with a personal gripe/ambition, then have various trinkets of doom.

 

--The action ... I actually really liked some of it.  Almost none of which involved Batman, who feels like he belongs in another, more grounded movie. 

 

--Expected to laugh zero.  Laughed lots. 

 

Perfect movie?  No.  Much better than expected?  Yes.  Benefited from low expectations?  Maybe.  It's a damn shame how much hate this movie generated before-hand. 

 

** Lois met up with resurrected Superman, the kids I was with were genuinely surprised he was back (they saw him die last movie). 


Edited by Overlord - 12/10/17 at 9:30pm
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I got taken to see this, I actually thought I'd hate it but it ended up being better than I thought. Not saying it was great, but it had some nice moments. I was most impressed with Cavill, I've never been a fan of the superman in general but he's consistently shown how good he is and I found his Kal El really compelling. Affleck does as good a job as he can, it's certainly a new kind of Batman on screen. Wonder woman didn't have all that much to do, but had a good scene with Affleck about leadership. The others felt shoe horned in, along with yet another villain, with yet another army, from yet another sky portal.

I think Whedon really saved this thing, the reunion scenes with Clark, Lois and Martha were particularly good. The action scenes worked fairly well, but it's the team stuff that needs to shine. There will likely be several years before any sequel, hopefully they can build on the team dynamic in the individual films.
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I'll never understand how Suicide Squad wasn't used to set up Justice League more. All of the prisoners were captured by Batman, except one by Flash. Why not have them be a combination of different rogues from the different heroes? And how about Flash shows up to try to stop Enchantress and gets captured, and the Squad has to save him? 

 

He already cameos in the movie. If they gave him just five, ten minutes of screentime then the post-credits could have been Bruce recruiting him (instead of talking to Waller). That at least wouldn't have made the back-to-back recruiting scenes of Barry and Arthur feel redundant. 

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You understand exactly why.  They don't know what they're doing.

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It's just weird knowing that a successful DCEU was building to characters like Luthor, Waller and Joker being major players. Now they probably never show up again, with Luthor's Justice League cameo being a leftover from an earlier time (Deathstroke, as well. Poor Managiello). 

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Assault on Arkham coming out around the time of the Suicide Squad movie was such a hilarious contrast.  An example of that story concept done perfectly well, WITHIN THE SAME COMPANY.

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Overlord's opinions about movies feel a lot like mine. Except that he doesn't like TDKR. But that's ok..
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I can't even begin to give a shit about this movie anymore. It not being complete shit shouldn't be a selling point to anyone and shows how subpar it is.

There is just nothing to hold on to. I've heard some people say the movie at least makes them more optimistic about the future of this universe. This movie does not do that for me. It just makes me hope that this universe gets put in someone else's hands.

Even Wonder Woman remains one of the most overrated movies I've ever heard of. It's a pretty good movie to me. Everyone worked really well in their roles. But, it was just a good movie with flashes of greatness for me. Which is good but people clamoring for Oscar noms and going to see the movie over and over is just not a feeling I share. Outside of some actions scenes I'll never watch it again. Which, to be fair, several marvel movies have left me with that same feeling.
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Yeah....I haven't given it much thought but I guess Wonder Woman IS a hugely overrated movie. Don't get me wrong....I liked it. Definitely a movie I knew I'd purchase. Just for what it is. But the praise it gets is pretty over the top.

And what Oscar talk are you referring to? Is that serious? Gal Gadot is, honestly, pretty iconic as the character. But, also just as honestly, she ain't Meryl Streep either. So what is it? A Best Picture nom? That's absurd. I like the movie but come on. If The Dark Knight couldn't get a nomination then this DAMN sure shouldn't. A Best Director nom? Eh, I could see that. Just because. But it shouldn't win..
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Women really like WW and drive a lot of the love. I imagine the "WW was solid but cmon" is probably just the reverse of untold number of women taken to movies like Die Hard.
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I don't see what about Wonder Woman makes more of a "movie for women" than any other superhero movie. I mean yeah, I get it. She's the STAR. The main superhero. Not a damsel in distress. But WTF? Black Widow? Ripley? Sarah Connor? Furiosa? Rey? Kill Bill?
I guess what I'm trying to say is that if you took the basic layout of the WW movie and just made the main character a man and Steve Trevor's role a female....it wouldn't alter the way the movie operates a great deal. It'd basically would be the first Captain America by way of Thor. It doesn't feel particularly "feminine" ...if that makes sense. It's just a superhero origin movie that follows that point A to point B to point C "superhero movie" template to the letter..
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Originally Posted by Fraid uh noman View Post

Yeah....I haven't given it much thought but I guess Wonder Woman IS a hugely overrated movie. Don't get me wrong....I liked it. Definitely a movie I knew I'd purchase. Just for what it is. But the praise it gets is pretty over the top.

And what Oscar talk are you referring to? Is that serious? Gal Gadot is, honestly, pretty iconic as the character. But, also just as honestly, she ain't Meryl Streep either. So what is it? A Best Picture nom? That's absurd. I like the movie but come on. If The Dark Knight couldn't get a nomination then this DAMN sure shouldn't. A Best Director nom? Eh, I could see that. Just because. But it shouldn't win..
some people have been talking best picture and best Oscar noms since the movie dropped. Which is just insane to me. I think its just people riding the high of what the movie meant to them.

Munson, you have a point with Die Hard analogy but I think Die Hard is unfairly used in said analogy. Die Hard is a genuinely great film that also happens to be a great action movie as well. It's not the man's man machismo a lot of 80s actions movies were at the time and had a lot more heart than movies of it's ilk. And great writing. Women shouldn't need to be dragged to it.

I'm thankful that wonder woman the movie exists and what it means to people. I just don't have a relationship with it that others do. I can understand it being one of someone favorites but to say it should be in the running with legitimate Oscar contenders? Nah fuck that. Maybe visuals effects.
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It's because they got a solid superhero movie with a female lead, through the lens of a female, that was given the proper budget/care like all the ones for the boys.

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It's because they got a solid superhero movie with a female lead, through the lens of a female, that was given the proper budget/care like all the ones for the boys.
Naw, I know....it's exactly this. It wasn't Catwoman or Elektra so people went gaga. But it's really a fairly generic movie. A great looking and sometimes exciting and cool movie to be sure but it didn't reinvent the wheel in any way whatsoever.

And I don't get the Die Hard comparison. Maybe it's just the girls I've been around but all my past girlfriends and female acquaintances have all been about as much into the action and/or superhero genres about as much as any other. I've suffered through very very few rom coms or Notebook type movies..
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If your making a best xmas movie list and someone throws in Die Hard I would guess a man is doing it. Presumptuous yes but I just associate 80's action with dudes. But I have a penis last I checked so I'm confirming my own confirmation bias. Science!

The amount of women I know who saw (and liked) WW who have absolutely zero interest in action movies, let alone superheros, really suprised me.

Fury Road is a Mad Max movie still. Alien is, well, drawing you in with the alien. WW is unapologetically female from top down. I never saw Ripley on a box of razors and she shaved her fucking head! Fox dropping the ball on that marketing.
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Originally Posted by Fraid uh noman View Post

Maybe it's just the girls I've been around but all my past girlfriends and female acquaintances have all been about as much into the action and/or superhero genres about as much as any other. 

 

"Why do people say [SOCIAL GROUP HERE] are [INSERT DESCRIPTION HERE]?  None of the hand-picked, small-sample size, anecdotal members of [SOCIAL GROUP] that I choose to hang out with are [DESCRIPTION].

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"Why do people say [SOCIAL GROUP HERE] are [INSERT DESCRIPTION HERE]?  None of the hand-picked, small-sample size, anecdotal members of [SOCIAL GROUP] that I choose to hang out with are [DESCRIPTION].


I GOT MINE!!!!

 

not my problem

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Because I was using my very selective microcosm of the opposite gender that I've been exposed to in my lifetime to say that I've found the "OMG watch a chick flick with me" thing with girls to be kinda bunk. Maybe I've just been lucky.

Feel free to do a thinkpiece on me wink.gif
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