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post #51 of 1489

So you guys want my thoughts on this?

post #52 of 1489
Maaaybe.
post #53 of 1489

Make sure you wax poetic about Cavill's mustache!

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So you guys want my thoughts on this?

 

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So you guys want my thoughts on this?
Fffffffuuuuuuuucccccckkkkkkk yes.
post #56 of 1489

I don't know what I want!!!

post #57 of 1489

Apparently the DC Youth are mad at Joss Whedon for liking tweets critical of the film's big bad.

 

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Edited by Barry Woodward - 11/15/17 at 11:21pm
post #58 of 1489

It must be super frustrating to be the guy behind what is arguably two fairly successful ensemble comic book movies with pretty interesting villains, or at the very least interesting attempts at villains for you Ultron haters, only to be saddled with Steppenwolf and told it's too late to change it, or we won't change him because of this that or the other thing.

 

Whedon is pretty consistently good at TRYING interesting things with his villains, he's got decades and decades of history of every kind of great villain imaginable, so if Steppenwolf straight up sucks and is a nothing I place zero blame on Whedon.  

 

Should have done Starro dammit.

post #59 of 1489
Worse than Enchantress and her brother from War Gods?

post #60 of 1489

Didn't David Boreanaz already defeat Steppenwolf twice?

 


Edited by Barry Woodward - 11/16/17 at 12:28am
post #61 of 1489

ColSteveAustin @ ComicBookMovie.com:

 

"Snyder is doing nothing to promote the movie. Whedon saw an opening after BVS and somehow got WB to let him work on the movie. The Snyder got the boot and Whedon took over.

 

Steppenwolf is a poor choice for a big bad but he was never intended to be the big bad. JL was supposed to be part one of a two part movie. Steppenwolf was a setup guy. Part one was supposed to be about the Justice League coming together. Part two was were we were to see Darkseid as the big bad.

 

Whedon [frick]ing knows that and he knows his interference altered the movie from being about the Justice League having to overcome obstacles to become a team, like Superman's death and apparent resurrection as a puppet of Darkseid.

 

The entire JL movie was supposed to be about preparing for the big fight with Darkseid.

 

Joss Whedon is a bastard to act like he agrees that Steppenwolf was a horrible big bad, when HE was the one that caused him to be the big bad. And it was HIS hostile takeover of Justice League that caused WB to spend so much money on reshoots that that cut budget for CGI.

 

I am thinking that it was Whedon who caused this whole JL mess. He claims to be an artist. An artist would never rob another artist of his vision like that just to steal his job. A profiteering backstabbing scumbag would do that.

 

Many of the issues people have with the movie: bad CGI, Steppenwolf as the big bad, Superman's resurrection, inconsistent characters, all can be traced to Whedon.

 

It was Snyder who brought Affleck in. Whedon takes over the Snyderverse. Now Affleck wants out. The Batman movie is no longer part of the DCEU storyline. The math is easy.

 

Could it be Justice League was going to be good and Whedon knew it? And he knew if it was he had no chance of taking over the DCEU from Snyder?"

post #62 of 1489

That's the dumbest shit I've ever read Barry.  

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That's the dumbest shit I've ever read Barry.  

Indeed.
post #64 of 1489

It must be a 14 year old boy who proudly calls himself a fan boy.

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post #66 of 1489

So this sucked.  I'm glad I didn't pay to see it, otherwise I'd probably be more upset.

 

There are certain things about it that kind of work individually, some of the humor, a bit of character dynamics here and there.  But these few isolated moments feel disconnected from the movie as a whole, and none of the heroes have any chemistry, which is obviously the most important thing about a team.  I'm talking about the chemistry that is obvious when watching The Avengers.  It feels like they belong together.  The Justice League feels like some people thrown together at the last second.

 

And good holy God does Gal Gadot suck.  I didn't see Wonder Woman, so I missed that whole parade, but she really is a shitty actress with no business being in a leading role opposite some of the other guys.  She's high school theater bad and I said that when I saw her in the Fast and Furious movies, and I was stunned when she was cast as WW.  That's a character so many better actresses could've done justice, pun intended.  Gadot just doesn't have any range.  I mean, it's kind of baffling when you've got guys like Downey, Hemsworth, Ruffallo, Johansson, Affleck, etc in these kinds of movies, really sharp, talented people... then somebody as middling and bland as Gadot, making her stick out like a sore thumb.  This is a long rant, but I just can't get over such an obvious casting blunder.  

 

Anyway, there's not much else I can say because the film doesn't warrant any kind of serious examination.  It's just a total misfire, with no sense of urgency, tension, or dramatic payoff.   Generic world destroying bad guy with super weapon needs to be stopped by reluctant band of heroes... we've seen this before, only done much, much better.  It's really hard to be kind to this after seeing Thor Ragnarok work so fucking well.  A well oiled machine that keeps paying off.

 

DC/WB really needs to just stop this train, take a break and start over from scratch with a totally different creative team with a clear vision.  But they seem determined to continue embarrassing loyal DC fans and insulting cinemagoers. 

post #67 of 1489

It really does feel like a Frankenstein monster of a movie, stitched together from disparate elements that don't really work together.  Like even the plan they started out with feels like it sucked, but it was just obliterated into smaller pieces that sucked even more because of studio meddling.  

 

And it's boring as all hell.  No wonder Affleck is looking to jump ship.  He's probably embarrassed.  

post #68 of 1489

Can't really blame him.

 

Batman V Superman will always be the standout tragedy for me.  It was such a perfect chance.  Such a great moment where they could have turned it all around and really rescued the DCCU.  Instead they crippled it, and this evidently butchered movie with zero confidence is the result.

post #69 of 1489

I had my problems with Wonder Woman but it actually turned me around on Gadot who I initially thought was pretty awful. I'm surprised to hear Ambler say that she's bad in this as both of the directors involved are usually quite good with actors (you can say what you want about Snyder but he usually gets good performances out of those in front of the camera).

post #70 of 1489

"Joss Whedon is the worst thing to ever happen to the DCEU." - Grace Randolph

 

post #71 of 1489

She also claims Cyborg is one of the best things in the movie so she's obviously insane!

post #72 of 1489

All this comes back to hiring Zack Snyder to launch the DC universe with Man of Steel, and first giving him significant artistic freedom and then yanking it away.

 

My hindsight-y opinion is that WB should've gone with one of the Harry Potter -directors.

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"You're a wizard now, Zatanna!" - Giovanni Zatara (played by Robbie Coltrane)

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"You're a wizard now, Zatanna!" - Giovanni Zatara (played by Robbie Coltrane)

 

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"You're a wizard now, Zatanna!" - Giovanni Zatara (played by Robbie Coltrane)

post #76 of 1489

That dovetails nicely into a visual metaphor for this film and the DCEU in general.

 

 

post #77 of 1489
Didn't that already happen a long time ago?
post #78 of 1489

Something tells me Fett ain't ever making it off Brad's block list.

post #79 of 1489
I wouldn't even agree that it jumped the shark simply because it's been rocky from the start. What I've been hoping for was the DCEU to Grow the Beard. But I guess WB would rather digitally scrub that off.
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Something tells me Fett ain't ever making it off Brad's block list.

 

He'll get over it just in time before the AQUAMAN pre-release thread pops up.

 

I really can't believe they spent $300 million dollars on this mess.

post #81 of 1489

The single best way to get off Brad's block list: FANCASTING! Robbie Coltrane for Lex Luthor! Emma Watson for Lois Lane! Maggie Smith for Marfha!

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The single best way to get off Brad's block list: MCRIBING! Robbie Coltrane for Barbecue Sauce! Emma Watson for Pork Shoulder Meat! Maggie Smith for Onions!

post #83 of 1489
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Bradito's going to have half the board blocked by the time this thread finally winds down.

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I had my problems with Wonder Woman but it actually turned me around on Gadot who I initially thought was pretty awful. I'm surprised to hear Ambler say that she's bad in this as both of the directors involved are usually quite good with actors (you can say what you want about Snyder but he usually gets good performances out of those in front of the camera).

 

I think the fact that she's in a bad movie just exacerbates her weaknesses as an actress.  But she flat out sucks, I just cannot hold my tongue about the obvious, I'm sorry.  It was one of the biggest head scratchers of the movie for me, wondering what the hell she was doing in that movie because everyone else is pretty good in the acting department... no one is doing their best work, but they're serviceable.  She's just bad.  All you have to do is look at what Amy Adams was doing, actually emoting and having presence and you can tell she's a good actress hampered by a bad movie vs. what Gadot was doing, which was just kind of standing around looking pretty.  You can tell she got acting lessons and can do the basics for a camera, but you can also tell she doesn't have the innate gift good actors have where it seems effortless.  Gadot looks like she's "trying" to act rather than just acting.  I'm trying my best to explain this without insulting her, I just think she should be in smaller roles that don't require carrying an important character.  This becomes even more glaring when you realize there are so many better actresses they could've got.

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You can tell she got acting lessons and can do the basics for a camera, but you can also tell she doesn't have the innate gift good actors have where it seems effortless.  Gadot looks like she's "trying" to act rather than just acting.  I'm trying my best to explain this without insulting her, I just think she should be in smaller roles that don't require carrying an important character.  This becomes even more glaring when you realize there are so many better actresses they could've got.

 

Ah, you're saying she has bradleycooperitis.

post #86 of 1489

I thought she was TERRIBLE, and then I liked Wonder Woman and I thought she was fine there, so now I don't know what to think.

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She also claims Cyborg is one of the best things in the movie so she's obviously insane!

 

No, she's actually right.  Cyborg was fucking great and about the only character I gave a shit about.  

post #88 of 1489

Ha! Suck it, Bart!

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No, she's actually right.  Cyborg was fucking great and about the only character I gave a shit about.  

Break it down, babe.

post #90 of 1489
Cmon "I gave a shit about Cyborg" and Gadot sucks? Ambler gone crazy.
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This becomes even more glaring when you realize there are so many better actresses they could've got.

 

The irony is she is the best actress for Wonder Woman. She proves it in her solo movie. Guess it comes down to direction for her.

 

She's the female Channing Tatum.

post #92 of 1489
Gadot was very fun in her solo film but that's probably due to not just the right material but having the right collaborators to work with. She really shines in that in a way she doesn't in other films. She may not ever make a great leading actress in anything else, but at least she got Wonder Woman down in her solo film.

Kind of like Christopher Reeve who, with all due respect, thrived in the Superman role but was embarrassingly bad in everything else he did.
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Gadot was very fun in her solo film but that's probably due to not just the right material but having the right collaborators to work with. She really shines in that in a way she doesn't in other films. She may not ever make a great leading actress in anything else, but at least she got Wonder Woman down in her solo film.

Kind of like Christopher Reeve who, with all due respect, thrived in the Superman role but was embarrassingly bad in everything else he did.

What about Somewhere in time?

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What about Somewhere in time?

Great John Barry score.
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Kind of like Christopher Reeve who, with all due respect, thrived in the Superman role but was embarrassingly bad in everything else he did.

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I think he's great in Deathtrap.
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Cmon "I gave a shit about Cyborg" and Gadot sucks? Ambler gone crazy.

 

She's about as terrible as she is attractive.  

post #97 of 1489

So...  Extremely?

post #98 of 1489

I remember Gadot getting notices as being a "highlight" in Batman v Superman, and I have no idea what those people were talking about. She was dreadfully bad. Had maybe 15 lines, they all come off stilted and her main objective was to look bad-ass in Snyder-O-Vision (slow-motion action with that heavy metal theme). So yeah I was dreading her headlining Wonder Woman based on that. But to her credit, she's much better. Maybe because she's grown into the part but mostly due to Jenkins surrounding her with better actors thus helping to elevate her performance.

 

It's not on the level of Reeve as Supes as many nerdgasmed this summer but she worked just fine in her solo outing.

post #99 of 1489
I'll be surprised to find myself remotely interested in the Cyborg character. Just a total waste of space.
post #100 of 1489

Nothing in this movie is "interesting" per se, but Cyborg was the only one who seemed to have some kind of "thing" going on.  It's like focusing on the peanuts in a pile of shit... it's something at least.

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