CHUD.com Community › Forums › THE MAIN SEWER › Focused Film Discussion › THE DISASTER ARTIST (2017) Discussion Thread
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:

THE DISASTER ARTIST (2017) Discussion Thread

post #1 of 52
Thread Starter 
So fun to see with a crowd of people who know THE ROOM.

A sweet and touching story about the artists that dare to put themselves out there.

In terms of mainstream art that grows out from the most unlikeliest of sources, Franco's film was surprisingly effective.

And I think both Francos give legitimately endearing performances. James Franco in particular takes his impersonation of Wiseau into something more than just that... but also never stops being hilarious as an impersonation.
post #2 of 52

Is this Oscar caliber or what?

post #3 of 52
Thread Starter 
I can't give much stock to what the oscars do, but I'd love for him to be nominated. That would just be fun.
post #4 of 52

I want to see Tommy at the Oscars, maybe more than anything. 

post #5 of 52
Thread Starter 
thaaaat's the idea ahahahah
post #6 of 52
So, fair to call it Wiseau’s Ed Wood?
post #7 of 52
I'm so excited about this! Glad to hear it's both entertaining and possesses some depth.
post #8 of 52
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul C View Post

So, fair to call it Wiseau’s Ed Wood?

yeah, that's a good comparison

oddly, I'd never considered it before you mentioned it!
post #9 of 52
Someone should try finding heart and humour in the Uve Boll story next.
post #10 of 52
Thread Starter 
ends with him boxing tim league
post #11 of 52

Eh, I thought this was just OK. It may have been too affectionate, maybe? The cavalcade of stars appearing throughout kinda detracts from the sweaty desperation of the story - it makes it too glossy. Both Francos do well, though.

post #12 of 52
Thread Starter 
it's definitely very affectionate

I guess I figured that would be the case to begin with based on the trailer
post #13 of 52

And there is probably a line where if you make it too mean it'll come across as a bunch of A-listers bullying all involved. I just think they could've gone further than they did, e.g.

Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
not turning the premiere into a triumph as everyone recognizes its comedic genius, complete with Wiseau being cheered.

I dunno.

post #14 of 52
Thread Starter 
I actually kinda liked that aspect because it was a narrative shortcut to adapt how the film would be embraced eventually.

That said, I'm curious as to how the real premiere went.
post #15 of 52
They took a page from Ed Wood. I don't even think Plan 9 had a premiere but it works so well to end the film on that positive note. He completed his dream.
post #16 of 52

Tommy Wiseau's dreams of mainstream fame are finally coming true.

 

 

post #17 of 52
Quote:
Originally Posted by User_32 View Post

They took a page from Ed Wood. I don't even think Plan 9 had a premiere but it works so well to end the film on that positive note. He completed his dream.

 

God I love ED WOOD.  I'd put that in my personal top 20 of movies, period.  The comparisons that I'm hearing regarding ED WOOD and THE DISASTER ARTIST are kinda filling me with glee.

post #18 of 52
Yeah, Ed Wood is one of my all-time favorites. I wasn't really interested in this before but that comparison has me curious now.
post #19 of 52
Thread Starter 
Oddly, I didn't make the Ed Wood comparison until after seeing the film. Strange, because it's so obvious in hindsight.

Ed Wood is the better film, but Disaster Artist is still worth seeing. It's fun.
post #20 of 52

 

 

I probably should have driven down to see this with you, Nooj. 

post #21 of 52
Thread Starter 

aw!

post #22 of 52

You said it was sold out!

post #23 of 52
Thread Starter 

I thought I said it was likely that it was sold out.

post #24 of 52

Same difference really. 

post #25 of 52
Thread Starter 

There was also a rush ticket line.

post #26 of 52

BAH

post #27 of 52

Kermode was impressed.

In the clip Kermode plays includes Alison Brie.

post #28 of 52

Saw it opening night and thoroughly enjoyed it! It works for the same basic reason The Room works, which is that Tommy Wiseau is an amazing Alan Partridge/David Brent-style comedy creation who just happens to be an actual person. This movie takes that character out of his own wacky universe, sets him loose in the real world and lets hijinks ensue.

 

I gave Ed Wood a rewatch the day after for a kind of compare and contrast. They make good companion pieces because even though they have the same basic themes - friendship and creativity as expressed through terrible movies - they go about it quite differently, and Ed Wood as a character couldn't be more different to Tommy. Ed's a charismatic go-getter whose only real flaw is having no interest in quality. Tommy's an alienating weirdo who only really gets anywhere because he has money.

 

I don't know if it's as good overall, but it's laugh out loud funny and pulls off a similar trick of adding a bit of pathos to the story of a ridiculous movie. Plus it has one advantage in that Wiseau's redemption as a cult figure happened in his lifetime, where Ed Wood couldn't really avoid the downer that was the last years of his life.

 

One detail I noticed was that Apatow was slagging off the Star Wars prequels at his dinner table before Tommy interrupts him. I doubt they put that in there by accident, but was it to take a shot at Lucas, or suggest he's another guy putting himself out there only to get flack for it?

post #29 of 52

I don't know, it kinda seemed like two hours of explaining the joke to me. Like, is it really funny to restage The Room's sex scene with Seth Rogen pointing out that he's penetrating her belly button? More funny than just watching The Room?

 

On that note, I thought it was a mistake to populate the supporting cast with Hollywood funnymen like Eric Andre and Hannibal Buress. They never do anything funny, so what's the point? I was sitting there thinking, man, if you just got a serious character actor like Harry Dean Stanton or Michael Shannon and had them react to this Eurotrash weirdo, it's be way funnier because it'd be happening in 'the real world' instead of a Funny Or Die sketch.

 

I get that they can turn this real-life story in another Judd Apatow quasi-homoerotic buddy movie, but I'm not sure it accomplished anything except to literally glamorize an (admittedly intriguing) guy who seems like a huge creep. It makes me wonder if all the gay subtext is there to deflect from people wondering if this guy is a sexual predator. Which is... maybe something that should be addressed if you're making a movie about Tommy Wiseau.

post #30 of 52
Quote:
Originally Posted by avian View Post
It makes me wonder if all the gay subtext is there to deflect from people wondering if this guy is a sexual predator. Which is... maybe something that should be addressed if you're making a movie about Tommy Wiseau.

 

Where are you drawing this conclusion from? The guy's a weirdo but has there been any talk at all that he's a sexual predator? I haven't heard anything like that.

 

And I saw the movie Saturday night. I really enjoyed it!

post #31 of 52

Well, the whole thing with him talking about how ugly Ari Graynor is without make-up and doing the sex scene without a manikin thing doesn't speak well of him. The movie tries to play it as him having a breakdown over Greg leaving him, but that seems like a pithy excuse.

post #32 of 52
Quote:
Originally Posted by avian View Post
 

I don't know, it kinda seemed like two hours of explaining the joke to me. 

 

You just very succinctly described my big fear about seeing this movie.  I've laughed at the trailers, but I have a feeling that the film itself is a bit too 'inside jokey' for me to engage with, especially since I haven't seen THE ROOM (apart from scenes here and there).

post #33 of 52
We’re really going all-in on the ‘every weird person is probably a sex criminal unless proven otherwise’ thing, huh.

There’s definitely an element of explaining the joke in this, though I think they mostly get away with it by using the original funny bits as a basis for new funny bits, and the movie as a whole not being reliant on repeating ‘the hits’. On a story level a certain amount of explaining the joke is probably necessary to get across exactly why the thing took off.

But I’d probably have to agree that, if we’re using Ed Wood as a comparison, seeing at least a youtube comp of Room scenes is probably more important to this than seeing Plan 9 is for that.

All that said, my gf chortled her way through the whole thing, and she didn’t know shit about The Room except as some silly internet thing I found funny.
post #34 of 52
Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul C View Post

We’re really going all-in on the ‘every weird person is probably a sex criminal unless proven otherwise’ thing, huh.

But yeah there’s definitely an element of explaining the joke in this, though I think they mostly get away with it by using the original funny bits as a basis for new funny bits, and the movie as a whole not being reliant on repeating ‘the hits’. On a story level a certain amount of explaining the joke is probably necessary to get across exactly why the thing took off.

But I’d probably have to agree that, if we’re using Ed Wood as a comparison, seeing at least a youtube comp of Room scenes is probably more important to this than seeing Plan 9 is for that.

All that said, my gf chortled her way through the whole thing, and she didn’t know shit about The Room except as some silly internet thing I found funny.


Yeah, the two people I went with had never seen it either and they really enjoyed themselves. 

 

And yes to your first point. I'm still not sure how Tommy Wiseau is a sexual predator beyond being an oddball.

post #35 of 52

I mean, there was a lengthy scene of him mistreating an actress and the crew objecting to it (I think in the movie, Franco was wearing one of those male merkin things, while Wiseau wasn't in real life; I don't know, I'm just going off TV Tropes). But it's not like I'm basing this off him collecting lint in jars or something.

post #36 of 52
Thread Starter 
Yeah, I'll side with avian a bit here and suggest that Wiseau, as entertaining a figure as he is, isn't just an innocuous oddball weirdo. 

His eccentricities manifest themselves in abusively tyrannical ways in Sestero's book, which is something that I think Franco's film shies away from a bit in the spirit of making a fun movie.

And considering the way women are portrayed in his 'masterpiece'...

This is less an accusation of Wiseau and more of a general sentiment of "I wouldn't be surprised if there were abuses that people just moved on from back then."
Edited by mcnooj82 - 12/4/17 at 11:47am
post #37 of 52
It’s great. Ed Wood by way of Altman or PTA. Franco deserves an Oscar nomination.
post #38 of 52
Thread Starter 
Went to see the movie again

And while I certainly had Ed Wood in mind upon this rewatch, I actually had Sunset Blvd in mind even more this time.

In this telling of the story about the friendship between Wiseau and Sestero, the film's take on Sestero almost comes across like William Holden's "kept man" to Wiseau's Norma Desmond.
post #39 of 52
I watched this tonight. It's pretty good. Fun fact: the theater where they screened "The Room" in the movie was the same one where I saw "The Interview" (also srarring James Franco and Seth Rogen) back when it got that weird limited release because Sony panicked and thought North Korea was going to kill us or whatever.

I died.
post #40 of 52

From laughter, literally, and or figuratively?

post #41 of 52
From being killed by NK.
post #42 of 52

My buddy was second or third AD on that show...  He hung out with Franco a lot.  Said he came off like a very mischievous 5 year old.  That's my little story for you. 

post #43 of 52
It was a good story.
post #44 of 52
Saw this last night (thanks MoviePass) having never seen the Room. It was great, and I hope Franco gets an Oscar nod for this. Made me want to make a movie with my brother.
post #45 of 52

 I'm seriously disappointed that my local theater isn't showing this. As of now the closet theater is a 45 minute drive.

post #46 of 52

Seeing this cheap Tuesday. 

post #47 of 52
Saw this this afternoon. Have never seen The Room but know the story and the basic gist and the memes. It was funny but "explaining the joke" should be the pull quote on posters and the Blu-ray.

Also, I think it would be cruel if Franco got an Oscar nod for this.
post #48 of 52
Quote:
Originally Posted by TzuDohNihm View Post

Also, I think it would be cruel if Franco got an Oscar nod for this.

Xplain

post #49 of 52
Thread Starter 
probably referring to how it would be cruel to Wiseau
post #50 of 52

Is it though?

New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:
  Return Home
  Back to Forum: Focused Film Discussion
CHUD.com Community › Forums › THE MAIN SEWER › Focused Film Discussion › THE DISASTER ARTIST (2017) Discussion Thread